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Do you think there will be a Deal or No Deal?


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Quite clear that you have to be completely incompetent to get a senior post in Johnson's government.
It really is. She has no grasp of Parliamentary Sovereignty, which is concerning.
She wouldn't have written this herself though, would she? Isn't this what she'd have expert staff for at her department?
 
I can't shake the feeling that the motivators for this obvious desire to no deal are more related to certain individuals financial prospects and the economic future of the country is little more than an irrelevance to them. I simply cannot see any way that what they're doing makes any sense at all, except for that you can profit greatly from economic failure if you know its coming in advance and can prepare for it.
 
She wouldn't have written this herself though, would she? Isn't this what she'd have expert staff for at her department?

The lawyers in the AG department will have written the text, under instruction from her Private Office, and she would have signed off on the final copy, having requested changes where she felt they were necessary to make. Ultimately she is responsible for the final text.
 
Its time that every British person in mainland Europe is kicked back to blighty. Starting and ending with sancho
 
The lawyers in the AG department will have written the text, under instruction from her Private Office, and she would have signed off on the final copy, having requested changes where she felt they were necessary to make. Ultimately she is responsible for the final text.
Of course she is - I'm not disputing that. What I was getting at, is that either there is a lot of crap in her department, or she got good advice but she and her political staff completely went against that. I guess I'm being too technical on procedure here. (I work in government, so I have sick & twisted interests in that regard. :) )
 
First time I have heard national law as an excuse for breaching international law.
 
Technically its a boost to exporters I guess

In theory but in practice the UK have to import products to make the exports and are vastly net importers anyway.

The gain from lower prices could be more than offset by tariffs which are inevitable if this bill goes ahead.

Then you will have foreign owned companies leaving the UK in droves which makes up most of the UK manufacturing industry.

Then possibly financial and trade sanctions on top of all of that.

The only people who will benefit from a lower pound will be the currency speculators intent on shorting the pound and the hardest hit will be the prats cheering Boris on.
 
Agreed, but not quite sure why you keep going on about the EU's level playing field since we are now outside that playing field and must look at life differently, this will of course influence what will be required to 'sell into' the EU in future. As will the EU countries that wish to 'sell in to us' realize they will need to look at life differently as well.

We are outside the EU but their level playing field rules still apply to us if we wish to sell our goods to EU customers tariff free, because they won't allow us to do it in illegal, damaging or manipulative ways according to their definitions. It's their market, not ours.

But besides that, putting the rules aside, the politics is that the single market is extremely, overwhelmingly important to the EU, and keeping it clean is their bottom line negotiating objective. If we want a deal, we do it their way or we don't get a deal - and then we find out what life can be like for an island off the coast of a pissed off economic superpower.
 
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It's also worth noting the moment we left the EU we became a competitor nation to them. You can't very well complain about a large economic competitor trying to constrain a smaller economic competitor. That's the geopolitical game you brexiters foolishly signed us up to when you kicked off this misbegotten affair.
 
These Tories are killing what's left of the country.
Every consequence is deserved.
Good luck you are going to need it
 
Eu say they they will give us to the end of the month to withdraw the legistlation

EU leaders conference on 24th September

Just enough time for both sides to agree some fudge and the EU to say we backed down whilst boris saying he secured the deal he wanted and then withdraw the legistlation

Im still thinking a deal will be done though in the best Eu traditions they are leaving it very late and that does run the very real risk of something going wrong
 
Eu say they they will give us to the end of the month to withdraw the legistlation

EU leaders conference on 24th September

Just enough time for both sides to agree some fudge and the EU to say we backed down whilst boris saying he secured the deal he wanted and then withdraw the legistlation

Im still thinking a deal will be done though in the best Eu traditions they are leaving it very late and that does run the very real risk of something going wrong
Funny how you try to frame this absolute clusterfeck as following EU traditions when the UK has contributed 95% of this mess we are in.

We have gone from a claimed "oven ready" deal and unlawfully suspending parliament to breaking international law and risking the good Friday agreement.
 
You a kilt twirler? Nice one lad
I'm constantly moody and I hate Cornish pasties, so yes I'm Scottish. But I also have a fair bit of English blood so I can also do things like eat vegetables and spel things corectly.
 
Eu say they they will give us to the end of the month to withdraw the legistlation

EU leaders conference on 24th September

Just enough time for both sides to agree some fudge and the EU to say we backed down whilst boris saying he secured the deal he wanted and then withdraw the legistlation

Im still thinking a deal will be done though in the best Eu traditions they are leaving it very late and that does run the very real risk of something going wrong

Actually you might be onto something there. They may have decided a deal itself without adversity wouldn't play well for Boris so they're setting up a posturing manoeuvre they can claim won the day.

It's not like they haven't done this before and it's right out of Trumps playbook. However I'm still going with a lack of competency for now.
 
Actually you might be onto something there. They may have decided a deal itself without adversity wouldn't play well for Boris so they're setting up a posturing manoeuvre they can claim won the day.

It's not like they haven't done this before and it's right out of Trumps playbook. However I'm still going with a lack of competency for now.
I feel like these aren't mutually exclusive.
 
from your link..." Department for Trade figures reveal that, in 2018, the UK's trade with the EU was worth £659.5bn while trade with Japan was worth £29.1bn. "

The future looks bright for the UK.
 
From The Independent....https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/uk-japan-trade-deal-brexit-agreement-eu-b421841.html

'The government said businesses will benefit from tariff-free trade on 99 per cent of exports to Japan, delivering a £1.5bn boost to the UK, claiming manufacturers, food and drink producers and the tech sector will see the greatest benefits'.

£1.5bn :lol:
 
From The Independent....https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/uk-japan-trade-deal-brexit-agreement-eu-b421841.html

'The government said businesses will benefit from tariff-free trade on 99 per cent of exports to Japan, delivering a £1.5bn boost to the UK, claiming manufacturers, food and drink producers and the tech sector will see the greatest benefits'.

£1.5bn :lol:
Whenever the government give numbers like this I always look to see if they mean per year or over a ten year period.
 
Whenever the government give numbers like this I always look to see if they mean per year or over a ten year period.

Fifteen. (on the assumption that Japanese people will actually buy Cornish Pasties and Stilton cheese)

To put it into perspective Unilever sell £1.5bn per month of beauty and care products alone.
 
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Fifteen. (on the assumption that Japanese people will actually buy Cornish Pasties and Stilton cheese)

To put it into perspective Unilever sell £1.5bn per month of beauty and care products alone.
Pft, my postcode's heroin intake is more than that per month as well.
 
from your link..." Department for Trade figures reveal that, in 2018, the UK's trade with the EU was worth £659.5bn while trade with Japan was worth £29.1bn. "

The future looks bright for the UK.
Apparently it will increase GDP by 0.07%. But we are estimated to lose 7.6% of GDP in a no deal Brexit.