Zlatan Ibrahimovic

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FranklyVulgar said:
Yeah, clearly he was so rubbish he was Juves best player, so rubbish he was inters best player. So pathetic he is now Barcelonas new number 9.

I guess a lot of people in football are quite stupid, imagine 3 of the biggest teams in the world wanting a player who wouldnt even get into the United starting 11.

Laporta, Moggi and Moratti should be lined up and shot for this sort of gross misjudgment of players.

Never mind Capello, Guardiola, Mourinho and Mancini. How they are managers of these teams with such an over-rated player is beyond comprehension. :wenger:
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Show me where i said he was rubbish please.

He's a good player but nothing special and vastly overrated is pretty much the gist of what i said.

And you're right, he wouldn't get in our team and the only way he would would see Rooney out wide left and i know who i'd rather have up front.
 
FranklyVulgar said:
Yeah, clearly he was so rubbish he was Juves best player, so rubbish he was inters best player. So pathetic he is now Barcelonas new number 9.

I guess a lot of people in football are quite stupid, imagine 3 of the biggest teams in the world wanting a player who wouldnt even get into the United starting 11.
Laporta, Moggi and Moratti should be lined up and shot for this sort of gross misjudgment of players.

Never mind Capello, Guardiola, Mourinho and Mancini. How they are managers of these teams with such an over-rated player is beyond comprehension. :wenger:
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Serie A isn't as tough as the prem or la liga, that's for certain. In the prem, Zlatan won't be as good, as in serie A he's given more space to be creative.

So if 3 teams want him, that makes him world class?:wenger: So as we're a world class team, any player we go after is of that class? There are other good players that have played for three world class managers, doesn't make them automatically world class.

Zlatan's a very good player but it's pathetic how a grown man like yourself wanks himself silly over a football player. I'm 17 and I grew out of worshipping players a long time ago. Get your head out of Zlatan's back side and grow up. If he's as good as you say he is, he'll show it in the champions league playing for the best team in the world with the most creative players in the world. If he doesn't then I think you should tone down your wankfest a little.

You put far too much emphasis on technical ability, sometimes there are more effective attributes.
 
Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber said:
I think the rest of the side were all just as bad. I blame the pitch to be fair to them and their opponents. It was fecking awful. It killed the football of both sides.
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It was his first game back from an injury wasn't it? At least he has that to use as an excuse for his latest high profile under performance.
 
Devil_forever said:
Serie A isn't as tough as the prem or la liga, that's for certain. In the prem, Zlatan won't be as good, as in serie A he's given more space to be creative.

So if 3 teams want him, that makes him world class?:wenger: So as we're a world class team, any player we go after is of that class? There are other good players that have played for three world class managers, doesn't make them automatically world class.

Zlatan's a very good player but it's pathetic how a grown man like yourself wanks himself silly over a football player. I'm 17 and I grew out of worshipping players a long time ago. Get your head out of Zlatan's back side and grow up. If he's as good as you say he is, he'll show it in the champions league playing for the best team in the world with the most creative players in the world. If he doesn't then I think you should tone down your wankfest a little.

You put far too much emphasis on technical ability, sometimes there are more effective attributes.
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If you are the best player in one of the best sides in the world you are most likely world class. If you are wanted by barcelona, inter milan, ac milan, juventus etc as a number 1 striker you are probably world class.

It is nothing to do with worshipping him. It's to do with rating him accordingly. Me backing a player who i think is good, who is highly rated by some of the most respected managers in the game is hardly going over the top.

Going over the top is saying he isnt even in the worlds top 20 strikers, to say he is rubbish and to bang on about how shit he is. That for me is over the top.

Alas i wish we could all be as mature as you, 17 with a world of objectivity. I wish i could watch football and be unmoved by players, i wish i could hold a player in no higher regard than the next based on ability and performance. If only nobody had any response to footballers then we'd all get on great and enjoy the game a lot more...

What exactly is the problem with having a player you like to watch? why do people love football? it is the great players that make the game great. People would pay to watch a great player play but i guess that is lame, wanking over a player like Maradona, Pele, Cruyff, Zidane, Ronaldo... having players you prefer to watch is natural and has been a huge part of football.

i'm about 100% certain Mourinho has favourite players, other managers are the same. Ask players who they like and they usually tell you. As a fan of football i find it amazing that other fans expect me to have absolutely no response to footballers i watch often.

I have favourite players, i have players i enjoy watching. I have players i would tune into a match simply to see play because they appeal to me as footballers. There is not just Ibrahimovic, their are plenty more but it is only Ibrahimovic who gets a rediculous amount of criticism from basically UK based football fans.

which is evidently not a problem in your objective world. Where as to talk in glowing terms or to disagree with someone who shows none of the objectivity you crave makes me a wanker. Interesting, i'm surprised you felt the need to point out you are 17 :rolleyes:
 
Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber said:
I think the rest of the side were all just as bad. I blame the pitch to be fair to them and their opponents. It was fecking awful. It killed the football of both sides.
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personally i thought Henry was the worst. He saw so much of the ball yet did nothing at all. He was predictable and hapless. Xavi too, but these players are popular on the cafe so don't get much talk where as in one game Ibra is the biggest waste of money ever and Barca are going to fail because of him.

and people call me unobjective and biased, this place really cracks me up sometimes :lol:
 
Oh jesus christ when did I for a second say he wasn't in a top 20 striker? I've even said I think he's a very good striker. I have players I like to watch, just non that I worship, there's a difference. I was pointing out that even people my age, grow out of defending a player to death and completely wanking over him (you don't just admire, you outright wank yourself silly, it's sad).

Like I said, you've always used the excuse that he doesn't perform in Europe due to the people around him, this year he has no excuse then. Let's just wait and see how he does.
 
FranklyVulgar said:
personally i thought Henry was the worst. He saw so much of the ball yet did nothing at all. He was predictable and hapless. Xavi too, but these players are popular on the cafe so don't get much talk where as in one game Ibra is the biggest waste of money ever and Barca are going to fail because of him.

and people call me unobjective and biased, this place really cracks me up sometimes :lol:
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Why the hell would henry be "popular", he's an ex-gunner. He's proved himself on the biggest stage over and over again. That's why people rate him. Not because we all have a conspiracy against your beloved Zlatan. Oh and Xavi's world class and again proved it on the biggest stage. He was also no worse than Zlatan.

Your man, has the potential to be up there with them two but he needs to show it on the biggest stage, that's the point people are making.
 
To be fair to Henry he was out wide alot yesterday and hardly got a chance to swap with the static Zlatan in a way he would with Eto'o. He was mostly holding the width, hes not a winger and it as one of his biggest complaints with Rijkaard and it was the same shit all over again.

The one time Henry truly was in, Zlatan refused to pass and took on that poor shot instead which is a shame as I'm sure Henry would have buried it. Ibra is a striker though so he can be forgiven for being selfish.

I still don't think Barca suits Ibra, they never needed a hold up guy but let's wait and see, one thing which is very foolish is to write off somebody after 2.5 games.
 
cw1984 said:
It was his first game back from an injury wasn't it? At least he has that to use as an excuse for his latest high profile under performance.
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Yes. But this wasn't and ideal game for him. Barca werejust spopoor. I havent seen Xavi lose the ball that easily before. Or Henry look so ordinary. The pitch really helped no one. Even Messi, the best of a bad attacking batch of either side on the night got frustrated and almost got into a fight. Which said it all for me.
 
I'll give Messi the man of the match. He was the only person looking like would make things happen apart from youngsters Pedro and Bojan who did more in his first few mins than Zlatan in the whole match. Messi was also getting shots on target, dribbling past guys with ease and his patented reverse ball at the end was just magical.

Nobody does it better than Lionel Messi.
 
FranklyVulgar said:
Going over the top is saying he isnt even in the worlds top 20 strikers, to say he is rubbish and to bang on about how shit he is. That for me is over the top.
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It was me that said i can think of 20 strikers i'd rather have, and quite easily too. I don't think anyone has said he's rubbish :wenger:

Oh, and i'm 24 for what it's worth....
 
Lets be honest here. Zlatan is an exceptional striker. Its fair to say he is slightly overhyped but he has the talent necessary to justify those expectations. Its his consistency that generates so much criticism of him. I suppose I should also say that im yet to be convinced when I see him play live. Too many times he disappoints. But his form last year was outstanding and the only striker we have, at his level, right now is Wayne Rooney.
 
Raven_Blade said:
Lets be honest here. Zlatan is an exceptional striker. Its fair to say he is slightly overhyped but he has the talent necessary to justify those expectations. Its his consistency that generates so much criticism of him. I suppose I should also say that im yet to be convinced when I see him play live. Too many times he disappoints. But his form last year was outstanding and the only striker we have, at his level, right now is Wayne Rooney.
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If we're talking "right now" then Berbatov is easily at his level and Rooney is surpassing it by some distance.
 
cw1984 said:
If we're talking "right now" then Berbatov is easily at his level and Rooney is surpassing it by some distance.
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That wouldnt be fair because our season has properly started and Ibrahimovich is still finding his form and fitness. I was basing this on the performances of last season. Im aware that he was very influential in Italy.
 
Raven_Blade said:
That wouldnt be fair because our season has properly started and Ibrahimovich is still finding his form and fitness. I was basing this on the performances of last season. Im aware that he was very influential in Italy.
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It's you that said "right now" not me ;)

As for his performances last year, yes he was scintillating in the league for Inter but at the moment that league is on it's arse and everyone knows it.

He was pants in Europe.
 
Devil_forever said:
Why the hell would henry be "popular", he's an ex-gunner. He's proved himself on the biggest stage over and over again. That's why people rate him. Not because we all have a conspiracy against your beloved Zlatan. Oh and Xavi's world class and again proved it on the biggest stage. He was also no worse than Zlatan.

Your man, has the potential to be up there with them two but he needs to show it on the biggest stage, that's the point people are making.
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because he proved himself to be the best striker the prem has ever seen. Zlatan has the over-rated tag in the UK. Nowhere else in europe does he have this. So when he plays poorly it is another excuse to twist the knife, when Henry plays poor people remember how great he was at arsenal and overlook it. simples.

Boss said:
To be fair to Henry he was out wide alot yesterday and hardly got a chance to swap with the static Zlatan in a way he would with Eto'o. He was mostly holding the width, hes not a winger and it as one of his biggest complaints with Rijkaard and it was the same shit all over again.

The one time Henry truly was in, Zlatan refused to pass and took on that poor shot instead which is a shame as I'm sure Henry would have buried it. Ibra is a striker though so he can be forgiven for being selfish.

I still don't think Barca suits Ibra, they never needed a hold up guy but let's wait and see, one thing which is very foolish is to write off somebody after 2.5 games.
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Did you watch Barca last season? Henry played wide left the entire season and Ibrahimovic did swap with Messi and Henry at different times during the match. Out of the front 3 Henry seen the most of the ball and contributed nothing with it. Yes Ibra should have slipped him in but i think he just wanted the chance to take a shot.

Messi and some defenders from either team were the only players to come out looking in any way good and even then Messi took the shine off his own performance with a moment of stupidity.

Point remains it was only his 2nd competitive game after his injury and in a new team. His first performance showed promise, this performance was poor but no poorer than the rest of the side. It was just an awful game of football. the real test comes in the league.

And for the record his record in domestic football is better than Rooney and Berbatov.
 
Henry played at the left but he interchanged with Eto'o and Messi a lot more than what you saw against Shaktar. That is the stone wall truth, the static Zlatan is not suited to this type of football.

Look at how dramatic and fluent Inter's attack has become (pre-season and yesterday, don't mention Bari!:)) since he has left instead of the customary lump it forward to the hold up man. I don't think he is suited to Barca's style of football, just because there is players like Xavi and Iniesta does not make it that different. One player can alter a whole teams style dramatically. Zlatan is a fantastic footballer but he may not be a success.

I predict Eto'o will be far more succesful in the long run. All I know is 40 million plus Eto'o for Zlatan is the greatest deal in footballing history.
 
Devil_forever said:
Oh jesus christ when did I for a second say he wasn't in a top 20 striker? I've even said I think he's a very good striker. I have players I like to watch, just non that I worship, there's a difference. I was pointing out that even people my age, grow out of defending a player to death and completely wanking over him (you don't just admire, you outright wank yourself silly, it's sad).

Like I said, you've always used the excuse that he doesn't perform in Europe due to the people around him, this year he has no excuse then. Let's just wait and see how he does.
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i dont worship him you Ihni binni dimi diniwiny anitaime, just because i find if baffling that someone can be as stupid as to not rate him as one of the best doesnt mean i worship the guy. I like him as a player, i like to watch him and have no doubt seen a lot more of him than any of the people who make stupid comments about him being not even a top 20 striker.

I have a million excuses for Zlatan not performing in europe, i have excuses for everything but to waste my time going on about them is meaningless. You and your narrowminded kind wont see the truth. You will him to fail and your own supreme maturity doesnt allow you to enjoy a special player as that would be pathetic to have admiration for a footballer.

I clearly have some growing up to do if i want to enjoy football as mundainly as you obviously do.

"i'm 17 and don't have favourites!" your medal is in the post :wenger:
 
Must say I was dissapointed by Zlatan in the Super Cup. As mentioned though no one performed in that match bar Messi. Henry was dire, and I don't think the pitch helped at all.

I think he will come good though, he just needs to get fully fit and just generally make the better decision.
 
Boss said:
Henry played at the left but he interchanged with Eto'o and Messi a lot more than what you saw against Shaktar. That is the stone wall truth, the static Zlatan is not suited to this type of football.

Look at how dramatic and fluent Inter's attack has become (pre-season and yesterday, don't mention Bari!:)) since he has left instead of the customary lump it forward to the hold up man. I don't think he is suited to Barca's style of football, just because there is players like Xavi and Iniesta does not make it that different. One player can alter a whole teams style dramatically. Zlatan is a fantastic footballer but he may not be a success.

I predict Eto'o will be far more succesful in the long run. All I know is 40 million plus Eto'o for Zlatan is the greatest deal in footballing history.
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nothing to do with them bringing in a host of new better players then?

This inter is undoubtably a better squad than last seasons. They did great business but this is not to do with Zlatan leaving that they have became a better side. It is to do with the players they now have and the way they will now play.

Don't mention Bari...

I have no doubt Eto'o will be a success, Inter have a strong team. But i also have no doubt Ibra will be a success. Barca made the change to keep them fresh. Inter were able to create a squad to compete on all fronts.

They have Milito now for when they need to lump it but they have players in the middle with creativity and the dynamic Eto'o to work off Milito who is a selfless forward. They are in good condition. Ideally they would have kept Ibra and got Eto'o. Then they would have had a wonderful team.

I really dont understand how you can judge Ibrahimovic in one match against Shaktar when they played poor on a rubbish pitch in what was little more than a glorified friendly. Do you realize the prematurity of your statements?

Bigger tests await the new barcelona just like they do the new inter. I think both will be successful as they are both world class players. Ibrahimovic is not 100%, couldnt play preseason and is finding his way in a new team and system. Eto'o played all preseason and is 100% fit. I expect when Zlatan gets up to speed for him to surprise his doubters.

If not i'll happily admit it but to call him static and to write him off after the worst game i've seen this season (where other barcelona players who were 100% and played for years in the system were just as poor) is exeptionally poor judgement.
 
FranklyVulgar said:
nothing to do with them bringing in a host of new better players then?

This inter is undoubtably a better squad than last seasons. They did great business but this is not to do with Zlatan leaving that they have became a better side. It is to do with the players they now have and the way they will now play.

Don't mention Bari...

I have no doubt Eto'o will be a success, Inter have a strong team. But i also have no doubt Ibra will be a success. Barca made the change to keep them fresh. Inter were able to create a squad to compete on all fronts.

They have Milito now for when they need to lump it but they have players in the middle with creativity and the dynamic Eto'o to work off Milito who is a selfless forward. They are in good condition. Ideally they would have kept Ibra and got Eto'o. Then they would have had a wonderful team.

I really dont understand how you can judge Ibrahimovic in one match against Shaktar when they played poor on a rubbish pitch in what was little more than a glorified friendly. Do you realize the prematurity of your statements?

Bigger tests await the new barcelona just like they do the new inter. I think both will be successful as they are both world class players. Ibrahimovic is not 100%, couldnt play preseason and is finding his way in a new team and system. Eto'o played all preseason and is 100% fit. I expect when Zlatan gets up to speed for him to surprise his doubters.

If not i'll happily admit it but to call him static and to write him off after the worst game i've seen this season (where other barcelona players who were 100% and played for years in the system were just as poor) is exeptionally poor judgement.
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I have no doubts Zlatan is a world class player,I think it would be foolish to doubt that. I just have a certain theory on hold up players like himself and what type of teams and formations they fit. When Pep said he wanted something new I honestly thought he was making a very big mistake but we'll see.

Anyway I hope he proves me wrong because I also feel he gets unwarranted stick from the English press also. Let us wait and see, hopefully he puts in a good performance on Monday.
 
He is more than a hold up player though, he is the most creative center forward in football and his link up play is terrific. The fact is he can be a hold up player, when they need him to be and that is what Guardiola wanted, someone with that versatility because he is a very versatile player. He also is no slouch, sure he doesnt have the raw pace of Eto'o but he is fairly quick, probably deceptively so with the size of him.
 
World class?

We will see I guess.

Everyone says how good he is but I haven't seen much to warrant the hype. I'd rather have Torres.
 
I would rather have Torres as well, and Eto'o because they are more mobile, and direct which is not a dig on Zlatan who is a fabulous footballer. I would even prefer Adebayor who Rio said was the hardest striker he's ever played against. When on form he's unplayable
 
Zlatan's got a better shot than those you mentioned though. Having said that, I wouldn't diasgree with you.
 
cw1984 said:
Yes. Youtube is the best way to judge a player. Fact.

As fo Wibble saying he'd rather have Torres? By a fecking mile. He's twice the player.
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nobody is saying youtube is how to judge a player but when you look at his goals the range or them, the skill of some of them and the variety all in one season it shows his quality at least. He created more goals than any player in the inter side too.
 
Scored on his La Liga debut playing in a front line with Bojan and Pedro. Messi, Iniesta, Henry and Toure didn't play.
 
Showed some good signs, he's not as instinctive as Eto'o as when alot of crosses came in he was not in the right position but he showed some good dribbling and skill although he missed a handful of chances. He is getting alot of love from the Barca fans who even have a chant for him.

He's far from his best but it will come soon. He was overshadowed by Young Bojan for me though who was really impressive throughout the game before getting injured. I still don't think he suits Barca but nothing is better than to crown your debut with a goal.
 
Yeah, looked offside to me. And against one of the weakest defences in La Liga. Not that he wont score goals against the top sides too, because he will.
 
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