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Zlatan Ibrahimovic
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He reminds me so much of Cantona. I love how he believes so much in himself.
Does he have the highest goals per game ratio in the world for his national team since he reached this form? (2012>)
Zlatan: 1.15 goals per game - 20 matches and 23 goals
Messi: 0.78 goals per game - 23 matches and 18 goals
Neymar - 0.72 goals per game - 37 matches and 27 goals
Ronaldo: - 0.66 goals per game - 27 matches and 18 goals
Suarez(from 2013>) 0.61 goals per game - 18 matches and 11 goals.
Falcao: 0.56 goals per game - 25 matches and 14 goals
Stats from wiki so not necessarily hundred percent accurate.
Zlatan: 1.15 goals per game - 20 matches and 23 goals
Messi: 0.78 goals per game - 23 matches and 18 goals
Neymar - 0.72 goals per game - 37 matches and 27 goals
Ronaldo: - 0.66 goals per game - 27 matches and 18 goals
Suarez(from 2013>) 0.61 goals per game - 18 matches and 11 goals.
Falcao: 0.56 goals per game - 25 matches and 14 goals
Stats from wiki so not necessarily hundred percent accurate.
He's now the all time top scorer of the national team with 50 goals.
an absolute travesty we will likely never see him in the prem. could have blessed any of the top sides, and would have been a pleasure to watch.
I just wish he'd played for us at some point. His arrogance and ability would of been brilliant.
Fantastic player who for years people under rated due to performances against English sides.
Fantastic player who for years people under rated due to performances against English sides.
Second only to Messi IMO, on par with the likes of Ronaldo and Robben. Incredibly gifted player. Showing no signs of age starting to take it's toll either.
I believe that is quite biased of an opinion. Yes, like I showed with the statistics above his international career has been fantastic - better than both Messi and Ronaldo. He carries us(Sweden) on his shoulders like Maradona/Eusebio and our team lacks talent completely.
But he's been less productive than Messi/Ronaldo in their peaks and his peak has only lasted since 2012.
He's 16 kg muscles heavier than Drogba so he can't work hard defensively and at the same time perform his highest level offensively. He is simply too heavy to do that, which I think is the only negative in his game.
I wonder where he'd be playing right now if PSG oil money wouldn't exist. Probably City.
He and a fit Falcao are the two best strikers in the world for my money. That's what makes the magnitude of the Falcao deal so big to me.
A talent like that, why would one want him to work defensively anyway ?
Zlatan - the touch of Berbatov, the strenght of Yaya (Drogba doesn't make the cut here!), the arrogance of Cantona, the defensive abilities of Van Nilstelrooy... God I'd have him in United in a heartbeat.
He'd be like: "I don't care if you got that captains armband Rooney. Van Gaal! Tell Rooney to shut the feck up!"
Van Gaal: "Smack him with your balls, Zlatan!"
He'd be like: "I don't care if you got that captains armband Rooney. Van Gaal! Tell Rooney to shut the feck up!"
Van Gaal: "Smack him with your balls, Zlatan!"
He's not 16kg heavier than Drogba unless Didier's been on the grapefruit diet.
Great athlete, shame he plays for PSG though.
Drogba is 83-84 according to espn/soccerbase/google. Zlatan weights a 100 kg. He is also 7(nearly 3 inches) centimeters taller than Drogba.
Actually van Gaal and Zlatan has a rusty relationship from the time where Zlatan was still an uncontrollable talent. LVG told Zlatan how to make good runs and Zlatan told him to feck off because Zlatan knew better.
I don't think Zlatan of today would ever do that, that is the the reason why he entered his peak after 30. One can just imagine how good he would have been if he reached his mental peak at 25 when he had every single attribute except the mental bit.
Our national team is well and truly fecked when he retires.
Here's to hoping he ends his career where it all began, in Malmö FF, although I really doubt that will happen!
Here's to hoping he ends his career where it all began, in Malmö FF, although I really doubt that will happen!
Can a mod please merge this thread with: https://www.redcafe.net/threads/zlatan-ibrahimovic.141462/
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I dunno how accurate this is, but allegedly, his goal last night meant that he has now scored in every possible minute within 90 minutes.
Bollocks does Zlatan weigh 100.
Well that's quite presumptious of you. You may be correct as I am Swedish and he's one of my favorite players, but I've watched 90% of the games he's played since he left Inter for Barca and sporadically before that, and I think that I am able to make a good judgement on him. I am not even talking about international records and I don't put too much into statistics. Messi and Ronaldo have both been in much more talented and dominant sides at their peaks, but i'd rate Messi higher than Zlatan anyway, Ronaldo might be better but if he is it's by a thin margin. I'd also argue that he was already peaking by the time he came to Barca who he was fantastic for, but ultimately he just didn't fit in. He might not be able to work very hard defensively but why should he? He's about as complete an attacker as they come, he's as good at building attacks and creating chances as he is at scoring them.
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During his time at Milan he himself claimed to be weighing 100 kg despite also having the least fat-percentage in the team. With his lenght and build it doens't sound unreasonable at all.
He may want to improve his Champions league knockout round goal record before such comparisons are made. I am not sure about now but in an article from February 2013, it says that ibrahimovich only has four champions league goals in comparison to ronaldos 20. I know it is from a year ago, but i doubt their records are to dissimilar now. Ronaldo scored 5 goals in the CL knockout rounds just last season, which is more than ibrahimovich had done by that stage in the article i mentioned. Ibrahimovich is an excellent player and is world class but his performances in Europe are not good enough for him to be compared to robben (who has had some great games in the CL and played a massive part in the three finals Bayern got to recently) let alone Ronaldo. Ibrahimovich has an absolutely excellent league record but his great league form did not translate to Europe. Someone made a cantona comparison earlier in the thread and i think it is a good one (even though cantonas goal record is ok in Europe which last i heard is around 1 in 2) he did not carry the performances he had in the league to Europe.
Well I definitely belive that he's suffered from playing for second tier teams apart form Barca, in which I don't think he's ever reached a semi-final in the CL (?). Also, I think that it should be considered that for Inter, Milan and PSG he's been head and shoulders above his teammates and therefore he's perhaps had a greater burden to carry. Opposing teams have therefore been able to target him more than for example Ronaldo and Robben as he's had a bigger responsibility in making things happen than Ronaldo or Robben who have World class teammates. That's just a theory though on why he's not been as successful in the CL as he's been domestically, but I believe that it is true at least to an extent.
The reports on his weight vary a lot, anywhere from 84-95, and Drogba's from 83-91. Uefa has them 4 kg apart. Zlatan is tall but he's very lean.
I love zlatan! He is really arrogant and capable of amazing things. I don't know why but I just love players like this who have a bit of (dare I say it) swag about them. It's just his inconsistency if he was able to perform week in week out he would be the up there with Ronaldo and Messi IMO. Would love to see him in the PL.
I think Zlatan has the highest goal per game ratio, but he didn't play at the World Cup so it's a bit unfair to compare and all. But he is one hell of a player, so he deserves some nice stats.
Our Robin has sick stats too, don't really know them exactly out the top of my head, but you should look them up. What I remember is that from august 2012 (when Louis van Gaal took over) he scored in almost every match. Perhaps he didn't score as much in friendlies where he was obligated to play because he was captain and just wanted to stay fit, but I think he managed to score a goal in almost every real match (World Cup Qualifiers + World Cup) on avarage.
EDIT: RVP stats since august 2012.
World Cup Qualifiers: 9 matches 11 goals
World Cup 2014: 7 matches 4 goals
Friendly matches: 12 matches 6 goals
So that's 21 goals in 28 matches, a 0.75 goal ratio. And if you disregard the friendlies where I remember him just strolling around, trying to not get injured it is a very slick 0.9375 goals per game ratio for the World Cup 2014 + World Cup Qualifiers.
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Loving that.
Which sources do they use and which dates are the sources from? Zlatan himself has said he weighs 100 kilos and one of the Swedish National Team reporters said that he weighed 84 kg in 2003. The ligue1.com site says 95 kg, and it would be reasonable that he'd be weighing in at 95-100.
Google has him at 95, ESPN at 84, and a couple of others in between.
@Henrik Larsson Nice job finding RVP's stats. I think it is a double edged Sword regarding Zlatan. How difficult was Argentinas World Cup opponents? They were much better than every single opponent up until the final against Germany.
I can't say that it is harder to score for Argentina for Messi against Belgium/Holland/Switzerland in the knock-out stages than it is for Sweden to score against the likes of Norway/Finland/Hungary etc.
Sweden are exceptionally poor so most games Zlatan plays are with a team worse than the others. Messi however in 99% of his games plays for a team with the better players than the opponents.
I wouldn't put it against Zlatan to not have played in the World Cup in terms of how difficult he has had it to score goals.
I can't say that it is harder to score for Argentina for Messi against Belgium/Holland/Switzerland in the knock-out stages than it is for Sweden to score against the likes of Norway/Finland/Hungary etc.
Sweden are exceptionally poor so most games Zlatan plays are with a team worse than the others. Messi however in 99% of his games plays for a team with the better players than the opponents.
I wouldn't put it against Zlatan to not have played in the World Cup in terms of how difficult he has had it to score goals.
Very true, and like I already said, Zlatan fully deserves those brilliant stats. In retrospect it's such a shame Portugal qualified for Brasil instead of Sweden, would have loved to see Zlatan instead of a non-fit Ronaldo.
Yes it was a bit of a buzz kill to see Ronaldo and Portugal perform like that when Sweden could have been in it. On the other hand though Sweden would most likely not have put up too much of a fight.
The only player who would be close to getting in to England/Portugal's team is Zlatan. The rest are pretty terrible and our second best player is? Sebastian Larsson/Jonas Olsson/Martin Olsson.
Our best players after Zlatan are at a Championship/Average player for an EPL bottom team level.
Haven't looked at your qualifier group for Euro 2016 yet, but I assume there is a good chance we will see Zlatan with Sweden in 2016? I very much hope so.
Whats with the interest in Bratan?
He is not 84 kg. I am that weight, similar build but I'm 6ft. He definitely will weigh near 95kg.
I doubt he will still be worth watching to the same extent at that age, but he is already kind of disregarding physics by entering his peak at 30 and having his best year at 32 - not common at all for a striker.
Maybe he will continue to play at the highest level two more years.
Sweden has a shot to get in the Euro most certainly though, but for a team like us it is all about small percentages. We are really bad at breaking teams down so we can loose points against almost any side.
We can be a bitch to face for good teams though as we don't need great playmakers and ball playing midfielders when you counter-attack. We also have a great mentality which means we can go down a goal or two and still continue fighting until the end.
I agree with that assessment.
Though Messi & Ronaldo's records are both a bit inflated by virtue of the All Star teams they play for IMO.
There's obviously no denying their ability - & that they're the greatest of the current lot - by quite a margin.
I always thought Zlatan was tailor made for Madrid, much more so then Barca.
You could attribute at least 5 cm of those to his neck, which I imagine would not contain that significant an amount of weight, though.
You could attribute at least 5 cm of those to his neck, which I imagine would not contain that significant an amount of weight, though.
He can get a better pendulum on headers with that neck than when kicking it. Aerodynamic nose and all that as well, genetically modified like an eagle.
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