We also said the same about Van Persie. Let's be honest, it's a gamble. But one we'd be silly not to take.
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We also said the same about Van Persie. Let's be honest, it's a gamble. But one we'd be silly not to take.
What he said tonight in the presser and I translate from Swedish:
He is not negotiating with PSG and there is strong interest from PL clubs, but the interest must be mutual. He will not let his family decide.
The last part might indicate that he is willing to give up London for Manchester.
He is not negotiating with PSG and there is strong interest from PL clubs, but the interest must be mutual. He will not let his family decide.
The last part might indicate that he is willing to give up London for Manchester.
I don't even care if Rooney doesn't leave. If Zlatan comes here he will be the top dog. His arrogance won't allow anything else and his performances will most likely put Rooney's to shame (not that that's hard). Rooney might kick up a fuss, but he'll be the man to go if push comes to shove. Part of the problem with Rooney is that we haven't had a single player with the stones to just claim the throne as United's talisman since Ronaldo left, apart from van Persie who was on his last legs anyway. Part of the problem is that there are very few players with the mentality to come to a club and be the unequivocal leader from the get go. I can only think of Cantona who has done that for us. The others we've had grew into the role when their predecessor disappeared. but with Rooney still here, it's been harder for our younger players to take over his spot, and the current bunch of players is the most feckless group of United players in decades.
Rooney's been sitting in that chair virtually unchallenged for almost seven years now and his performances stopped living up to his status about half way into his stint as the main man. Fergie always knew when to get rid of the big players for the good of the team, whether it was Beckham, van Nistelrooy, Keane or Hughes. The exception being Cantona, who realized himself when it was time and went out with dignity before Fergie had to make that choice for him. Rooney hasn't had to deal with that problem, since Fergie retired at the same time as Rooney should have stepped down and neither manager after has had the sack to do what has to be done.
Zlatan will make that easier. I reckon he has two seasons in him where he can be the leader of the playing staff and Rooney's role as Mr. Manchester United will be forgotten in the process, obviously helped by the fact that the general football-watching public seem to be catching on to the fact that Rooney's a spent force.
And on a free? Christ, I don't even care if it'll cost us a few 100k a week in wages and a nice fee to both Zlatan and his scumbag agent. What player with that sort of talent isn't on massive wages anyway? If we don't pick him up, it better be because he didn't want to come here in the first place, an not because we weren't interested or fecked it up somehow.
Rooney's been sitting in that chair virtually unchallenged for almost seven years now and his performances stopped living up to his status about half way into his stint as the main man. Fergie always knew when to get rid of the big players for the good of the team, whether it was Beckham, van Nistelrooy, Keane or Hughes. The exception being Cantona, who realized himself when it was time and went out with dignity before Fergie had to make that choice for him. Rooney hasn't had to deal with that problem, since Fergie retired at the same time as Rooney should have stepped down and neither manager after has had the sack to do what has to be done.
Zlatan will make that easier. I reckon he has two seasons in him where he can be the leader of the playing staff and Rooney's role as Mr. Manchester United will be forgotten in the process, obviously helped by the fact that the general football-watching public seem to be catching on to the fact that Rooney's a spent force.
And on a free? Christ, I don't even care if it'll cost us a few 100k a week in wages and a nice fee to both Zlatan and his scumbag agent. What player with that sort of talent isn't on massive wages anyway? If we don't pick him up, it better be because he didn't want to come here in the first place, an not because we weren't interested or fecked it up somehow.
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That's true, although in my opinion we sold RVP a year too early.
He was/is still a clinical finisher if he gets the right service.
Anyway, I'm not even a huge fan of Zlatan but I can see a lot of sense in us going for him.
Agree 100% with this. While I would preferrably want Rooney gone if we signed Zlatan, it's not a problem if Rooney is still here. And for the first time in a while, Rooney will actually feel challenged by a player better than him, and just as big of a name (if not bigger). And yes, if we're not getting him, it better be because he's not interested in coming here.
I would love to add Zlatan, particularly with no transfer fee. That's said, there would still be some risk involved. Yes, based upon his Champions League performances he looks like he can still perform at the highest level, despite his age. It's one thing, though, to cut through the sub-par competition in a weak / one team French league like a hot knife through butter, with the luxury of focusing on European competition. It's another to battle week in, week out against 19 other teams that can beat you on any given day. The competition in England will take a much bigger toll on him. Personally, I wouldn't expect him to maintain his current level of production if he were to join us. His minutes would need to be managed. At the end of the day, I feel like he'd be too good to pass on if we have an opportunity to sign him.
I agree 100% re having a talisman in attack. Rooney isn't and has never been good enough to be the talisman for a top team chasing major honours. United has never won the title when Rooney has scored 20 league goals. He is better as the supporting act than the main man.
As for Zlatan, I think he would be brilliant under the right manager. If Mourinho is in charge it would be a fantastic signing. Under LVG it would be a disaster. This is also why having LVG reshape the squad was such a bizarre move.
desperately want us to sign kane but you'll never say no to zlatan.
Would love to have a Swede in United again. Most English absolutely hated Ibra around the time he scored that hatrick in the friendly. Seems like that is starting to change.
I'd love it if we got Zlatan, sure, he's not got long left at a top level, but he's one of my all-time favourites and he'd bring such magic to the team for that short time and maybe inspire the likes of Martial and Memphis too. My biggest wish with summer is to get Lukaku, from a sensible perspective, but for pure romance and excitment, get Zlatan!
Supposedly would 'prefer London', but I think he could end up at any of Arsenal, Chelsea, City, Spurs or United. Would being in the Champions League influence his decision? Probably.
My main question is though, realistically, out of those five teams who would he be a starter for every week if no one was injured? Is he the kind of guy who would realise and accept he's going to be on the bench most weeks?
My main question is though, realistically, out of those five teams who would he be a starter for every week if no one was injured? Is he the kind of guy who would realise and accept he's going to be on the bench most weeks?
Are you serious? Why should he accept that he is going to be on the bench most weeks when he is still easily one of the best strikers in the world right now?
There's no way he would end up in Arsenal too. He would demolish the strict wage structure that they have in place as well as their reluctance to sign players over 30 years old to more than a year's contract. If Wenger have not changed his transfer policy after 10 years, he wouldn't now. And if you ever read anything about Zlatan, you would know that he despises Guardiola's guts and wouldn't want to be working for him anymore, so City's out of the equation too. Spurs is Spurs, they have their homegrown icon in Kane and Zlatan wouldn't consider going there. The only realistic options left is Chelsea and us, but Chelsea has Costa who is still a top player while we have Rooney, who is in the twilight of his career.
There's talk of Chelsea selling Costa back to Spain so he would start there, Arsenal he'd probably start.
Spurs and City already have Kane and Aguero so no need for him there.
Not sure he'd start at Man Utd either but that mainly depends on Rooney
So the fecker wants to go to London and would have gone to Beckham's Miami if that was set. Judging by this could well be just another Schweinsteiger looking for a retirement home. Better get Lukaku.
Lukaku would be better for us in the long run. But the buzz with Zlatan would be great!
Source?
Do you really beleive we are in risk of decline?
Our "decline" puts us in a position in the league about 85 of the 92 would love to be in at peak.
Can Tottenham pay as much? No.
Can Tottenham win anything, or compete over a number of seasons? Time will tell. History suggests not.
Could Chelsea be an option even though they have no Champions League football next year? Falcao will be gone. Remy will be back up. Depends on the Costa situation I guess, whether he stays or goes.
For me yes. The only 2 he could go to are Chelsea and United.
http://www.skysports.com/football/n...refer-a-move-to-a-london-club-says-olof-lundh
When I read it before I thought the quotes were from his agent... It's actually from some Swedish journo, so there's still hope
To me, it looks like the journalist is pretty much speculating about Zlatan's future. Pretty sure Zlatan recently just said that he won't let his family decide where he'll go.http://www.skysports.com/football/n...refer-a-move-to-a-london-club-says-olof-lundh
When I read it before I thought the quotes were from his agent... It's actually from some Swedish journo, so there's still hope
Absolute rubbish and pure speculation. Zlatan is 34, and London is more attractive, but i dont think that the city is the deciding factor here. If he is attracted to United and working with Mourinho, and we want him too, i dont see anything stopping him then.
What millionaire wouldn't want to live In London? Doesn't mean anything though.
If we really want him I have no doubts he would join, probably waiting to hear something official about mourinho first.
If we really want him I have no doubts he would join, probably waiting to hear something official about mourinho first.
Fair enough, I think honestly there's very little chance of a permanent decline mainly because of the money we have. Never been a club in world football with the money we have that struggle for long periods, you throw enough crap at the walls eventually it's sticks.
Past performance has often no bearing on future results, as this season demonstrates.
You lot smack of Liverpool circa 1992.......and where did that end up?
You throw enough shite at stuff and you end up with just.......more shite
Yes, that is what Zlatan said yesterday, his family will not decide. Zlatan will not come here if LvG is still in charge, but I think he would love to team up with Mou again and if we can offer CL football then we have a huge advantage over Chelsea. Even if we fail to qualify I still think the lure of playing for Manchester United will be decisive and trump the pull factor of living in London. In my opinion we are favourites to sign Zlatan, on a 2 year contract.
The reason Kane won't happen is because it would mean dealing with Daniel Levy, if he was to leave you'd think that it would be abroad. To suggest it's because we're at risk if decline is fanciful and hopeful.
Maybe but I was more referring to our luck with transfers. Signing Di Maria quality players will eventually result in some top class performers.
Tell that to Di Maria.
But I agree. I think he could join us for 1 or 2 seasons, then he could go to Miami. I expect Ibra and Rooney won't be here in 2 years. So we can sign a player like Kane in that moment (also depending on how Martial and Rashford develop).
Liverpool's decline in the early 90's was a bit different. At the time money started flowing into the game Liverpool were complacent and didn't capitalize on it and were left behind by other teams like United in particular in generating commercial revenue.
But despite United's on field troubles 26 years later they are still the best at generating income. As long as that is the case United won't be in decline for too long. Eventually we will buy enough quality players and get the right manager in to get back to the top. What United are going through has happened to Real, Barca, Bayern and Juve to an extent over the last 20 odd years and they all came back.
What the feck am i reading, are a few people seriously suggesting there is a team in the world besides Barcelona that he wouldnt start at, let alone not being a starter at the top premier league clubs? 
Possibly Bayern because of Lewa, but other then that, he would walk into any tram in the world. Certainly would be the best player in the premier league by a distance if he came.
Possibly Bayern because of Lewa, but other then that, he would walk into any tram in the world. Certainly would be the best player in the premier league by a distance if he came.Marcotti made a good point...
All of the talk in the English press is based off a couple of throwaway lines but when you like at Zlatan's options, they're very limited here. From the offset he'll want 2 things and to avoid a 3rd...
1) He won't want a pay cut so you're looking at a club that can pay £250k a week minimum. Leicester and Spurs out.
2) He will want CL football. Utd and Liverpool out as it stands.
3) He won't want to work with Pep again. City out.
That leaves Arsenal and while it's not impossible it is in the realms of "unlikely" that Wenger would go for that option.
It's renewal talk. Gassing PSG up. If they don't come, then it'll get serious. I'm not sure he would fancy 2 years with us for the love of Mou if 1 is guaranteed to not be amongst the European pinnacle competition. Especially at 35 going on 37.
All of the talk in the English press is based off a couple of throwaway lines but when you like at Zlatan's options, they're very limited here. From the offset he'll want 2 things and to avoid a 3rd...
1) He won't want a pay cut so you're looking at a club that can pay £250k a week minimum. Leicester and Spurs out.
2) He will want CL football. Utd and Liverpool out as it stands.
3) He won't want to work with Pep again. City out.
That leaves Arsenal and while it's not impossible it is in the realms of "unlikely" that Wenger would go for that option.
It's renewal talk. Gassing PSG up. If they don't come, then it'll get serious. I'm not sure he would fancy 2 years with us for the love of Mou if 1 is guaranteed to not be amongst the European pinnacle competition. Especially at 35 going on 37.
With the same amount of titles in that period as Tottenham? But also, more trophies?
What the feck am i reading, are a few people seriously suggesting there is a team in the world besides Barcelona that he wouldnt start at, let alone not being a starter at the top premier league clubs?
A 35 year old? Coming into a faster, more physical league?
I worry he wouldn't even be that good, let alone the best by a distance! Wow!
This is my worry too. I think even at his prime his game is best suited to a slower paced league, which is probably why he's avoided the German and English League's, despite touring the rest of the continent. The fact that he's played against Premier League teams 18 times and has only scored 5 goals (3 against the physically weak Arsenal and 2 against a terrible Chelsea this year) also backs this up.
At 35 in this League I think he'd look like Berbatov on Valium.
He might not be fast for his age but certainly he will not be bullied physically.Finally we'll have some presence in the penalty box to score those headers of those corners or free kicks.
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