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You're right, he wasn't, but he was certainly an immense talent at 18 and could easily have been leading the line at many clubs in Europe.
Whilst we are all enjoying Rashford's rise to stardom, it would be very foolish to rely on him to lead the line for us going in to next season. He's not that good.
Oh wow, sounds like signing Zlatan the 'CL flop' is really going to cost us winning the CL that we are so not in next season.
Zlatan the CL flop who has scored 17 goals in his last three seasons in the CL.
So good Leicester won it.
So we only judge the quality of a league by the team that won it?
I think you know what his point is. There are no easy games in the EPL.
What does any of this have to do with Zlatan ?
Yet while being that mediocre he had 3 goals and 1 assist in 4 games against City and Chelsea a few months ago. But I guess the most recent CL games against decent teams doesn't count in your "every time he's played against a decent team in the CL" timeframe..
I won't even argue against your statement that he never shows up for Sweden because you clearly have never managed to even try to look up what he's accomplished for an absolutely horrible NT.
So good Leicester won it.
So how poor/good is it relative to Ligue 1? How many goals do you think Ibrahimovic should score next season to have been a success?
Isn't it funny when people use the "flat track bully" argument against Ibrahimovic, when we the fact we failed to hit our targets for last 2 seasons was because we sucked against the weaker teams while being pretty good against the top 4 sides?
Isn't a flat track bully exactly what we needed for the last 2 seasons?
I'm just sitting here, scratching my head, trying to wrap my mind around that...
Isn't a flat track bully exactly what we needed for the last 2 seasons?
I'm just sitting here, scratching my head, trying to wrap my mind around that...
I don't think anyone in PSG will score 40 next season.
I'd expect an injury free Zlatan to score 25 in all competitions in our team.
I liked the 'Zlatan Ibrahimovic' chant that was audible in their game yesterday. But that's about as far as my inclination towards him goes.
Great player, but not fast or mobile enough to succeed here. I'll back him if he signs, but I certainly won't be expecting fireworks like many of us here are doing. Just putting 'fecking' as his middle name doesn't mean anything.
Does anyone else not think he'll be knackered by the time he's signed? A full season with PSG fighting on several fronts, followed by the Euros, and, if rumours are to be believed, the Olympics - and then straight into a PL season? He's going to be burnt out before he's even started. Half of his 1 year contract will be spent recuperating. A waste, really.
Great player, but not fast or mobile enough to succeed here. I'll back him if he signs, but I certainly won't be expecting fireworks like many of us here are doing. Just putting 'fecking' as his middle name doesn't mean anything.
Does anyone else not think he'll be knackered by the time he's signed? A full season with PSG fighting on several fronts, followed by the Euros, and, if rumours are to be believed, the Olympics - and then straight into a PL season? He's going to be burnt out before he's even started. Half of his 1 year contract will be spent recuperating. A waste, really.
I think he'll only go to the Olympics if he signs for China or LA. No chance any top club is gonna allow that all things considered.
Yes it does?
How was last season's Chelsea a decent team? They ended in 9th place on the table for heaven's sake.
I thought all PL teams were decent and every team in the top 10 would surely win Ligue1 by 45 points without braking a sweat?
Well.. For Barca he scored against Real (El Clasico 1-0 win) Atletico in two games and 2 against Arsenal. For Milan he scored against Barca, Arsenal, Juve, Napoli, Inter, Roma. For Ajax he scored against strong Valencia and Roma sides. For Juve he scored against Bayern and Inter. For Inter it was mainly against the league sides i'll give you that. For PSG he scored in two games against Barca, two games against Chelsea and against City. I noticed he loves scoring against Inter, shame their not a PL side. Plenty of goals against Barca as well.
He does show up in big games but not really in the CL knock-out stages. He's a league winner, no shame in that. So what do we want to achieve next season? Having a shot at the league or winning the CL?
A thread full of posts from different people trying to convince fecking @Twigginater why we should sign Ibrahmovich, page after page after page, and people think he's just a wum
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Top goalscorers in Ligue 1 score as many goals as their equivalent in Bundesliga or PL and french players tend to score as many goals in England.
The difference in quality between EPL and French football has been raised hundreds of times in this thread. It's part of that discussion. Not sure why you're now bringing up its relevance.
On top of that I'm responding to another poster who questioned the quality of the EPL with Leicester winning it. If you think that discussion is irrelevant(it isn't) shouldn't you be pointing it out to that poster?
Whilst I disagree with the notion that Zlatan is a flat track bully, I can understand the reasoning behind the argument. He doesn't always perform against the top sides, but how many top players actually do; game after game? Even the Ronaldo and Messi performance threads are regularly bumped when one one of them flops in a big game.
Anyway, for the sake of the argument, let's assume that Zlatan is a flat track bully and that he will only score heavily against the smaller teams.
I may be in the minority here, but I don't see that as a negative at all. The number of games last season where we failed to score or narrowly lost against lower tier teams last season is astounding. We actually performed reasonably well against the bigger teams last season.
I also recall numerous 'nervy' wins against lower tier teams where we were defending small leads and were crying out for someone to score another and put the game to bed but couldn't do so.
As I said, I don't think Zlatan is a flat track bully at all but even if he comes here on a free transfer and changes those goalless draws and narrow losses against the smaller teams to wins, it would increase our title chances substantially.
I'd agree with that, although I suppose the counter-argument as someone made is that EPL defenses are tight and hard-working, meaning a flat track bully elsewhere might not even succeed at that here. I'm personally not convinced that the bottom teams have especially good defense though.
Yes, that argument is weird. Isn't a good defense the base for a successful team? Wasn't there a guy who said something along the lines that a good defense wins you titles? Wouldn't that mean that bottom half teams' defense isn't all that great?
Looking at the PL table, 8 out 10 teams in the lower half are also in the lower half for the worst defense for the last season. (Unless the table I was looking at lied to me)
But hey, what do I know
Full agreed. I don't want him at all but I can see why many want him especially given he'd be on a free but this irrational wankfest over him is cringeworthy. Like a bunch of 10 year old girls going crazy over Justin Bieber. He's the answer to all our ills and every player in the squad will automatically improve ten fold because Zlatan.
Not a single poster has made such outlandish claims. Most pro posters think we still need 2-3 more players after Zlatan and Bailly, but don't let that stop you...
Winning the CL obviously. Don't you know we only play Reals and Bayerns in big stage games next season even while not being in the CL?
You must not be going around the forum then. Loads of threads are full of hyperbolic bs about how Zlatan will do this and that and improve players across the board.
I've looked, and I hear that Zlatan lifts players and can be great for Martial and Rashford. No sure how anyone can really disagree, the proof is there.
And "he's the answer to all our ills"... surely then all in the "pro-camp" would simply say "we just need Zlatan, nothing else", and well that is absolutely not the case.
Posters, like me, tend to think that his skill-set, experience and goals is something we are seriously missing in the squad, and once again, it's very hard to disagree.
I'm not talking about posters like "you". That's a decent view albeit one I disagree with.
But there's a band of posters running around who're like a RAWK cult about Benitez. It's cringeworthy.
We could actually do with a flat-track bully. As for him disappearing against the big teams, did you not see the other PSG players do the same against City? Obviously his pace has reduced but since when was that his primary forte. He was always about great control, bringing others into play, his vision as well his ability to score outrageous goals. It is crazy to suggest that he is noy good enough when he is just coming off his best season.
Anyway, you may some reservations and that is fair enough but some of the points you have raised seem to be totally colored with a negative bias to the extent it almost seems that you don't want to see anything good in the player.
Its already been debunked just as many times - as in players have consistently come from the French league and excelled in England.
I'd say the majority of the people who wants us to sign him are quite reasonable in their arguments. They are basically just stating what he has accomplished and the pros of having him in our team. Most of the posts are in reply to the few people who think that their grandmothers could have done what Ibra has done over the last few years since Ligue1 is the worst league in existence and the PL has 10-15 teams which are one lucky bounce away from winning the CL 5 years on the trot.
Your Justin Bieber reference is spot on though as the people who doesn't like Ibra seem to hate him with the same passion that everyone hates Beiber.
Abramovich? Or Ibrahimovic?
You cannot say no to Ibrahimovic. But I do think he needs pace around him. I'd be worried if Rooney was the player closest to him. I think Rooney needs to be as deep as the half way line, and Martial plus another need to be playing close to him
That's just my 2 cents anyway
That's just my 2 cents anyway
Neither, it's Ibrahimović.
Abramovich, that's who I meant
Flat track bullies are the players that win you titles, and that should always be the number one priority here. Ibra wanting to prove a point by winning a title in England, especially against Pep would be ideal for us. We've been missing a player that could get us 25 goals a season purely against the smaller clubs ever since Ronaldo left.
Yep.
He should be sold to a Championship club - that's his true level.
Re: Ibra, we will sign him on a free transfer, probably on a 1 year contract. If he turns out to be a Falcao (which will truly be a spectacular collapse - going from one of EUs best strikers to one of the worst), then we bench him for half a season, before letting him go on a free transfer at the end of the season. The risk here is low.
Now, if we spent £50M on a player he turned out to be Falcao....this would be a huge loss.
Is Shaw in the England squad?
No he's not.
His Son has been pictured wearing the new United away shirt today, for what it's worth
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