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28
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and he's said that his decision to continue for the 2nd year hasn't been decided by him - sounds like it has by the club.

If we don't get in the UCL I don't think he'll stay
 
They were our goalscorers though. If you put Zlatan in that team, for example, where he wants everything to centre around him, i don't think we'd have been half as entertaining. I also doubt that Ronaldo and Rooney would have been as effective but Zlatan would have probably scored a bucketload.

I think Zlatan would have been unbelievable playing alongside a prime Ronaldo & Rooney :drool:
 
You are aware of why he drops deep? He also had a couple of good "moves" of which one was where "challenged" the opponent and passed inwards but like most of his potential assists, no one was there to be able to score. And scoring a "sitter" is generally done by reading the game and creating a good position for yourself - if he did not have any movement, wouldn't that make it easier for the defenders to actually defend against him? Scoring penalties isn't as easy as some may think, but this is one of his strongest areas. Agree about the lucky free kick.
I actually credited him with a good pen so I don't see why you're offering a rebuttal there. As far as movement for the goal goes, it wasn't exactly some great movement. I'm not trying to say it was bad movement but it was him pretty much standing around and he did his job of scoring a sitter, I'd expect the same off Smalling in such a position.

Seperately though, I don't think Ibrahimovic is a player who's movement you should be using to fight his corner. His movement is the worst I've seen of any first choice striker at our club. He has his strengths and I'm not trying to say he's useless, but movement is probably his single greatest weakness.
 
When was the last time a player scored a hat-trick for us? Kagawa v Norwich?

Rooney away to Club Brugge last season.

Before that, it was RVP vs Olympiakos at OT in 2013-2014 unless I missed someone.
 
I have no idea what you're on about. I said a clinical striker, has Ronaldo been clinical? That was just to show that not many are criticizing him as they do with Ibra.

You will find that is because we are on a United forum and Ronaldo doesn't play for United. Just a thought.

I said conclusion not definitive conclusion. You know the same type that finneh made after watching Zlatan miss all those chances, without stats. Reinforcing that with stats is what I said isn't possible. I also said his number of shots is an indication not something absolute. Also, you don't really need to watch all matches from this particular season to understand the movement of a player. When it comes to chances and shots, you do.

No you don't but using your logic from the last few pages if you need to watch every game of every player being compared to know if Zlatan was the worst at something then surely you would have to do the same to know for sure if he was the best at something?

We are but that doesn't mean we're more dominant then other top teams. And we play defensively in big games which some of the teams whose strikers we are comparing to him don't. That also spreaks in favor of Zlatan.

Irrelevant to my point mate. I said said he plays for a team which dominates most of the games it plays which is true.
 
I actually credited him with a good pen so I don't see why you're offering a rebuttal there. As far as movement for the goal goes, it wasn't exactly some great movement. I'm not trying to say it was bad movement but it was him pretty much standing around and he did his job of scoring a sitter, I'd expect the same off Smalling in such a position.

Seperately though, I don't think Ibrahimovic is a player who's movement you should be using to fight his corner. His movement is the worst I've seen of any first choice striker at our club. He has his strengths and I'm not trying to say he's useless, but movement is probably his single greatest weakness.
Sorry if my post seemed to be "critical", wasn't my intention, just wanted to explain my thoughts. Do you really think his movement is bad? From what I've seen this season is that every time he prepares for a run the players that have the ball are looking either elsewhere or have their backs turned. Maybe the reason why it can look as bad movement is that he actually is a bit slow so he sometimes isn't able to reach the balls that get to him - some of the balls are actually a bit too fast, like the players don't know what speed (or lack of speed) he has.

His weaknesses are actually not that many in my opinion - speed, free kicks and headers (improved a lot the last couple of years), lack of consistency (improved this bit also), temper (improved this also, controls it and uses it as a way to "ignite" in a positive way).

The reason why I don't agree with him having bad movement is because he understands the game really well and if you can read the game then you most likely will also have the right movement on the pitch. Or am I totally wrong? I'm not an expert, just an opinion.
 
@stevoc, why are you bothering man? Are you little upset tonight or what? the guy might not be your type of striker but he plays for the team you support and has 30 goals/assists in 35 games, he just scored a hat-trick, we haven't lost a meaningful game in like 4 months, can't you just fecking enjoy it?
 
Sorry if my post seemed to be "critical", wasn't my intention, just wanted to explain my thoughts. Do you really think his movement is bad? From what I've seen this season is that every time he prepares for a run the players that have the ball are looking either elsewhere or have their backs turned. Maybe the reason why it can look as bad movement is that he actually is a bit slow so he sometimes isn't able to reach the balls that get to him - some of the balls are actually a bit too fast, like the players don't know what speed (or lack of speed) he has.

His weaknesses are actually not that many in my opinion - speed, free kicks and headers (improved a lot the last couple of years), lack of consistency (improved this bit also), temper (improved this also, controls it and uses it as a way to "ignite" in a positive way).

The reason why I don't agree with him having bad movement is because he understands the game really well and if you can read the game then you most likely will also have the right movement on the pitch. Or am I totally wrong? I'm not an expert, just an opinion.

He most certainly doesn't have bad movement.
 
Sorry if my post seemed to be "critical", wasn't my intention, just wanted to explain my thoughts. Do you really think his movement is bad? From what I've seen this season is that every time he prepares for a run the players that have the ball are looking either elsewhere or have their backs turned. Maybe the reason why it can look as bad movement is that he actually is a bit slow so he sometimes isn't able to reach the balls that get to him - some of the balls are actually a bit too fast, like the players don't know what speed (or lack of speed) he has.

His weaknesses are actually not that many in my opinion - speed, free kicks and headers (improved a lot the last couple of years), lack of consistency (improved this bit also), temper (improved this also, controls it and uses it as a way to "ignite" in a positive way).

The reason why I don't agree with him having bad movement is because he understands the game really well and if you can read the game then you most likely will also have the right movement on the pitch. Or am I totally wrong? I'm not an expert, just an opinion.

His speed obviously hinders him too but I don't hold that against him. We know he's never been about speed and at his age, the little he had is likely home anyway. But I still stand by my statement that I think his movement is terrible. I can't remember many, if any occasion where I thought he'd made a really good move to try and create space for himself, or create an opening for the midfielder to play a ball in that he might latch on.
 
I did not expect people to be complaining when I opened this thread :lol: He just scored a hattrick!

Anyway he should give the freekicks to Pogba, he's better at them
 
Haven't seen a single Napoli report (apart from Raiola's quotes), but everyone seems to be talking about it. I hope he doesn't leave this summer, it'd be far too soon no matter what happens between now and May in terms of trophies.
 
I can't remember many, if any occasion where I thought he'd made a really good move to try and create space for himself, or create an opening for the midfielder to play a ball in that he might latch on.

Header v West Ham home
Goal v Palace away
Run chest & volley from Pogba dink at the weekend

Some really nice pieces just off the top of my head.
 
If we don't get in the UCL I don't think he'll stay

It could be a number of things including this. Perhaps he feels he doesn't have it in him to do another year in the PL or he feels he's proven himself in England and would rather spend his last couple of years in Italy.

Hopefully he stays.
 
His speed obviously hinders him too but I don't hold that against him. We know he's never been about speed and at his age, the little he had is likely home anyway. But I still stand by my statement that I think his movement is terrible. I can't remember many, if any occasion where I thought he'd made a really good move to try and create space for himself, or create an opening for the midfielder to play a ball in that he might latch on.
Not exactly sure what type of movement you mean. But this one for instance is what you'd want a striker to do (and receive a pass at normal speed so he can reach it):



Remembered another one:

 
Haven't seen a single Napoli report (apart from Raiola's quotes), but everyone seems to be talking about it. I hope he doesn't leave this summer, it'd be far too soon no matter what happens between now and May in terms of trophies.

Napoli's chairman spoke of him a few days ago.
 
His speed obviously hinders him too but I don't hold that against him. We know he's never been about speed and at his age, the little he had is likely home anyway. But I still stand by my statement that I think his movement is terrible. I can't remember many, if any occasion where I thought he'd made a really good move to try and create space for himself, or create an opening for the midfielder to play a ball in that he might latch on.

Watch a Pogba passes compilation. You will see Ibra is always on the move as soon as Pogba gets the ball, and in general he always finds him. Ibras finishing thats been the issue in those instances, not his movement.
 
@stevoc, why are you bothering man? Are you little upset tonight or what?

What are you on about mate, bothering with what? How do i seem 'upset'?

the guy might not be your type of striker but he plays for the team you support and has 30 goals/assists in 35 games, he just scored a hat-trick, we haven't lost a meaningful game in like 4 months, can't you just fecking enjoy it?

How do you know i didn't enjoy the win?
 
Sorry if my post seemed to be "critical", wasn't my intention, just wanted to explain my thoughts. Do you really think his movement is bad? From what I've seen this season is that every time he prepares for a run the players that have the ball are looking either elsewhere or have their backs turned. Maybe the reason why it can look as bad movement is that he actually is a bit slow so he sometimes isn't able to reach the balls that get to him - some of the balls are actually a bit too fast, like the players don't know what speed (or lack of speed) he has.

His weaknesses are actually not that many in my opinion - speed, free kicks and headers (improved a lot the last couple of years), lack of consistency (improved this bit also), temper (improved this also, controls it and uses it as a way to "ignite" in a positive way).

The reason why I don't agree with him having bad movement is because he understands the game really well and if you can read the game then you most likely will also have the right movement on the pitch. Or am I totally wrong? I'm not an expert, just an opinion.

His speed obviously hinders him too but I don't hold that against him. We know he's never been about speed and at his age, the little he had is likely home anyway. But I still stand by my statement that I think his movement is terrible. I can't remember many, if any occasion where I thought he'd made a really good move to try and create space for himself, or create an opening for the midfielder to play a ball in that he might latch on.
 
His speed obviously hinders him too but I don't hold that against him. We know he's never been about speed and at his age, the little he had is likely home anyway. But I still stand by my statement that I think his movement is terrible. I can't remember many, if any occasion where I thought he'd made a really good move to try and create space for himself, or create an opening for the midfielder to play a ball in that he might latch on.
Must be a mistake, cause you post the same thing for the second time...
 
This is really becoming a terrible forum of late. Maybe its just football fans in general.
Has a goal drought. "He's costing us points, he misses sitters, he's spent!"
He scores goals, scores a hattrick: "He's slowing us down, his overall play is poor, he looks bad despite the goals."

Fantastic...

oh and ugly hattrick. :wenger:
This place is poison some times, honestly, Bangs in a hattrick, 23 goals already in Feb and people still criticise, Yikes, "logs out"

Bang on. I don't know if it's because you remember the posts you disagree with more than the others but the amount of shit some players in this team get from their own fans is pretty remarkable. The mods over at RAWK would need therapy for the rest of their lives if they ran this forum. Or they would just strap 800kg of C4 to the servers and be done with it.
 
Doesn't appear that way when you're in here continuing to argue your case again the man who just scored a hat-trick for your side.

What the feck are you on about mate?

I don't camp out on here all day, so when i log in after not being on here for a day or two and i notice have an alert from someone i'll quite often reply to them if we are having a discussion.

So whats the problem?
 
Absolutely fantastic signing. I hope he stays here next year and wins the league with us, he really deserves it.
 
With a striker like Zlatan, our wingers ala Martial/Mkhi/Rashford should do a lot better goal wise, or at least they have more opportunity to run in behind when Zlatan drops. The understanding among them are not great yet but you can see flashes of it working with Mkhi in some matches and recently apparent with Martial too. Once they are comfortable with each other playing styles we'll see the best of Zlatan.
 
Be a dear and quote me those messages of mine in which im saying he isn't having a nice stats?

Also be a dear and tell me how many clearcut chances did he miss which would have seen us even higher up the table?

This is such a ridiculous argument. So mystery x striker would obviously have scored all of Zlatan's goals and not only that also have converted more of Zlatan's misses, meaning we would be higher up the table.

Who is this mystery player btw? He sounds perfect! We should sign more of these players, clearly.
 
Please correct me if I am wrong...maybe I don't understand football.
I have a few questions:
1, Isn't the main aim of the game to score goals?
2, Isn't that why Ibra was brought in?
3, Isn't that what he is doing?

Imagine the outrage here if Ibra never scored goals but spent much of the game executing scorpion kick flicks to the likes of Martial and the like.
 
I don't get this "lazy, looks legged, tired..." narrative thrown at Zlatan, especially for this game. :confused: Look really fit & energetic. The clearly contrast is Fellaini's laziness this game, who is non existent. Late in game, you can still see Zlatan still combines with other players and pressed well.

He's wasteful with his chances. Untidy with his overall play. That's his typical performance. Seems like people never try to understand it.
 
Played a normal performance and got a hat trick. Cant wait to see what happens when he play well.

Zlatan has been a God send for us this season and I'll be eternally grateful to him. Fully justifies his wages, his status in the squad and his own narcism - he does what he says he will do! He has such an amazing aura which positively impacts younger players and the fans.

I hope he can retain this level of fitness next season, as long as he is fit, he has the class to ensure his form. If so, Mourinho should make him captain for the season: with Martial, Mata, Mhki, Grizeman and Rashford for company, Im sure he can lead us to PL glory and hopefully some progress in the CL too.
 
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Played a normal performance and got a hat trick. Cant wait to see what happens when he play well.

Zlatan has been a God send for us this season and I'll be eternally grateful to him. Fully justifies his wages, his status in the squad and his own narcism - he does what he says he will do! He has such an amazing aura and it impacts so heavily on the longer players.

I hope he can retain this level of fitness next season, as long as he is fit, he has the class to ensure his form. If so, Mourinho should make him captain for the season: with Martial, Mata, Mhki, Grizeman and Rashford for company, Im sure he can lead us to PL glory and hopefully some progress in the CL too.
I think he's always our shadow captain since joining us last summer. Unless Carrick, Rooney, Smalling all gone in the next transfer window, I don't think we would change the official captain status of the team. If it ain't broke, don't fix it. It's a tough long way to arrive here since the Rooney's undroppable status
 
The passive aggressive attacks on people for stating their opinions continue once again, it is so unnecessary. An important hat-trick is exactly that, regardless of how he played. The petty, passive aggressiveness hides a genuine cause for discussion about the all-round ability of his performance. People should be allowed to have a discussion about it if they want to, without the fabricated histrionics. It is getting quite tedious having to skim through throngs of posts declaring how 'outraged' the user is and the back-and-forths with people demanding that users re-explain how they came to evaluate his performance and hurling insults at them and declaring them outcast because of their opinion.

I thought he was quite poor again in the first half. The free kick was a spanner of the highest order and from that his confidence and indeed his influence grew into the game and when he scored the second you could see the fire in him to get the hat-trick. I'd like him to play on that second goal fire but I would guess he is quite tired being at the back end of the season.

He effectively killed the tie with the second and it came after he missed a similar chance after the Martial run. Sometime you bury one, sometimes you miss one. I think he needs a solid rest before the EFL final.
 
People still complaining on his conversion rate? You're absolutely right. If he was a better finisher he'd be on 50 goals. And at the end if the season he'd be on 100.
And his movement.. Well, if he could move properly he'd be on 200.
 
The passive aggressive attacks on people for stating their opinions continue once again, it is so unnecessary. An important hat-trick is exactly that, regardless of how he played. The petty, passive aggressiveness hides a genuine cause for discussion about the all-round ability of his performance. People should be allowed to have a discussion about it if they want to, without the fabricated histrionics. It is getting quite tedious having to skim through throngs of posts declaring how 'outraged' the user is and the back-and-forths with people demanding that users re-explain how they came to evaluate his performance and hurling insults at them and declaring them outcast because of their opinion.

I thought he was quite poor again in the first half. The free kick was a spanner of the highest order and from that his confidence and indeed his influence grew into the game and when he scored the second you could see the fire in him to get the hat-trick. I'd like him to play on that second goal fire but I would guess he is quite tired being at the back end of the season.

He effectively killed the tie with the second and it came after he missed a similar chance after the Martial run. Sometime you bury one, sometimes you miss one. I think he needs a solid rest before the EFL final.
I'd also rest him next 2 games, with a short 20 mins cameo in 2nd leg
 
30 goals and assists in 35 games for us! Make him sign that extension!!! That's a stupidly good return for a premier league unproven 35 year old.

There's only 1 Zlatan.
 
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