Yohan Cabaye

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How about we just quit signing average players? "Would improve our midfield" is not a good enough reason to sign somebody.
 
Fortitude said:
You're being far from realistic though.

Firstly, comparing our situation to Bayern's is as far from realistic as possible given they have complete dominion over an entire league being the only financial super power in their division who can simply siphon the very best talent from their closest rival as and when they feel like it (Goetze and Lewandowski in succession is just outrageous) and have the pick of all elite youth in one of, if not the best, market for fledgling talent in the world. Discounting the financially doped clubs, you couldn't pick out a superpower who would have an easier time of sorting themselves out than Bayern.

Barcelona and Real Madrid are in the most rigged league in the world that is set up to always see them on top. It's wholly unrealistic to think up a scenario where they won't be on top with the new TV deal money and structure that's in place in Spain that not only works to keep them as the duopoly but ensures no other club can usurp them.

Our situation is as far removed from those clubs as can be. Two sugardaddy clubs who outbid and outspend everyone bar PSG, Arsenal suddenly opening their purse for top talent and a Liverpool side that will spend heavily on CL talent if they make the CL this season is just nothing like any other division out there. Without the CL, we'll be in big trouble and without SAF's security, there's no guarantee we have the managerial nous to not be in serious trouble in no time at all if we drop out of the top 4.

You hope our predicament is temporary and yet there's no assurances that there and thereabouts couldn't become perennial if we go on to lose RVP and Rooney this summer (from not qualifying for the CL) this 'we're Manchester United' thing doesn't stand for much if we're not willing to dig deep in the supposed coffers to bail ourselves out should things take a turn for the worse.
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Of course it depends on us being willing to spend money, that goes witout saying. If we do though then the resources at our disposal will certainly be too big to allow us to sink that quickly. It's that simple, we're in a very different position than a team like Liverpool were in, say.

The comparison to Bayern stands. I was using them to point out that 1) it is possible to rebuild quickly and 2) you can still attract international talent despite missing out on the CL (even in what was then a weaker league than the PL).

The sugar daddy clubs will always be a problem but Arsenal and Liverpool? We have the financial muscle to trump them easily, if we're willing to spend. That's what it all comes down to.
 
sullydnl said:
Of course it depends on us being willing to spend money, that goes witout saying. If we do though then the resources at our disposal will certainly be too big to allow us to sink that quickly. It's that simple, we're in a very different position than a team like Liverpool were in, say.

The comparison to Bayern stands. I was using them to point out that 1) it is possible to rebuild quickly and 2) you can still attract international talent despite missing out on the CL (even in what was then a weaker league than the PL).

The sugar daddy clubs will always be a problem but Arsenal and Liverpool? We have the financial muscle to trump them easily, if we're willing to spend. That's what it all comes down to.
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It doesn't though. The assumption is we can or will do so with no evidence to this point in time that this is so.

We can sink much, much quicker than people seem to want to acknowledge despite our status.

Put it this way, as things stand with us as a CL club, things are going to be a challenge to fix and take a lot of money. Without the CL and losing our CL-level players, things will be multiple times worse.
 
Reports from Canal+ are that PSG and Newcastle have agreed a deal for Cabaye worth €26 million. That's just over £21 million. He'd still be worth that to us, we should match the bid.
 
Pay 21m for a midfielder who won't do what we need? He could easily get into our current midfield, but it would still be a painfully ordinary midfield.

I like Cabaye but signing him would have feck all real impact.
 
If we're that far on our uppers Cabaye is the answer then jesus it's a long way back.
 
We need a few players... Why can't we have him now and he can slot in the team. Maybe in the summer we reinforce further and he becomes more of a squad player.
 
Why aren't we going for Matuidi if psg is getting him then? All these midfielders going but we aren't going for any of them. Depressing.
 
Hopefully he does move to PSG so this thread can die and people can stop talking about him as some sort of saviour.
 
lilcurt said:
We need a few players... Why can't we have him now and he can slot in the team. Maybe in the summer we reinforce further and he becomes more of a squad player.
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Thing is, I don't think any of Carrick, Fletcher, Cleverley or Fellaini should be guaranteed first teamers from next season on either. If you add Cabaye to that we'd have five squad players and no actual starting quality. Unless we're getting rid of one of them in the summer we really don't need another player to provide depth.
 
Robbie Boy said:
Hopefully he does move to PSG so this thread can die and people can stop talking about him as some sort of saviour.
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Nobody has suggested he'd be a savior or even a solution. He'd be an upgrade though, and would definitely help us towards achieving top four.
 
Kid Cunto said:
Nobody has suggested he'd be a savior or even a solution. He'd be an upgrade though, and would definitely help us towards achieving top four.
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He would be an extremely expensive upgrade and to be be fair, plenty of players would be an upgrade for us in dutch eredivisiemidfield, such are our problems, doesn't mean they are good enough. For what Cabaye would cost, we could get better players and he would be no more than a short term solution.

Maybe people aren't necessarily saying he will be our saviour but some of the overrating of Cabaye in this thread has been hilarious. The weirdest thing about all this Cabaye nonsense is that we have never bid for him, expressed an interest in him or even really been linked with him.
 
Robbie Boy said:
He would be an extremely expensive upgrade and to be be fair, plenty of players would be an upgrade for us in midfield, such are our problems, doesn't mean they are good enough. For what Cabaye would cost, we could better players and he would be no more than a short term solution.

Maybe people aren't necessarily saying he will be our saviour but some of the overrating of Cabaye in this thread has been hilarious. The weirdest thing about all this Cabaye nonsense is that we have never bid for him, expressed an interest in him or even really been linked with him.
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Have a day off pal, don't let it get to you. Or are you going for the most posts in this thread? 40 of them saying the same thing. You're nearly there in fairness.
 
Extremely costly? Arsenal started the bidding at £10 million last summer and he's older and got less time on his contract (2 and a half years now) I dont know where some of you are getting these numbers from. Newcastle would have to be realistic in their valuation and it'd be a neat trick to keep a player who asks to leave a 2nd time
 
Ekeke said:
Extremely costly? Arsenal started the bidding at £10 million last summer and he's older and got less time on his contract (2 and a half years now) I dont know where some of you are getting these numbers from. Newcastle would have to be realistic in their valuation and it'd be a neat trick to keep a player who asks to leave a 2nd time
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Not to be pedantic but he is only 6 months older and from what I remember, Arsenal bid as high as £15m and got turned away. I also think Cabaye's performances have improved this season and I would imagine that Newcastle will be looking for close to £20m. He isn't worth that sort of money and there is absolutely no indication that he will ask to leave again.
 
Robbie Boy said:
Not to be pedantic but he is only 6 months older and from what I remember, Arsenal bid as high as £15m and got turned away. I also think Cabaye's performances have improved this season and I would imagine that Newcastle will be looking for close to £20m. He isn't worth that sort of money and there is absolutely no indication that he will ask to leave again.
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28 year olds that cost £20 million ?
 
Ekeke said:
Extremely costly? Arsenal started the bidding at £10 million last summer and he's older and got less time on his contract (2 and a half years now) I dont know where some of you are getting these numbers from. Newcastle would have to be realistic in their valuation and it'd be a neat trick to keep a player who asks to leave a 2nd time
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What does it matter what Arsenal's starting bid was? They were flat out refused and had the sense not to bid what Newcastle actually wanted. Our starting bid for Baines was around 12m wasn't it? Doesn't mean he wouldn't cost us over 20m now either.

Plus the fact is that any club we go to looking for a cm will happily fleece us as they know we're desperate.
 
Ekeke said:
28 year olds that cost £20 million ?
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You can't be serious? Players older than 28 have cost more than 20 million, bizarre argument. So they turned down £15m and 6 months later they will sell for cheaper than that? Errr ok. I assume the fee would be close to 20 million but how can we actually know.

If this was a Demba Ba type situation and he had a clause in his contract to leave for £7m or so, then yeah I would happily take him.
 
Robbie Boy said:
He would be an extremely expensive upgrade and to be be fair, plenty of players would be an upgrade for us in dutch eredivisiemidfield, such are our problems, doesn't mean they are good enough. For what Cabaye would cost, we could get better players and he would be no more than a short term solution.

Maybe people aren't necessarily saying he will be our saviour but some of the overrating of Cabaye in this thread has been hilarious. The weirdest thing about all this Cabaye nonsense is that we have never bid for him, expressed an interest in him or even really been linked with him.
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Can you name a proven Premier League creative midfield player who also happens to be an International for a gifted nation who would go for £20 million? I'd be impressed if you could. So no, for what Cabaye would cost, we probably couldn't get better players.
 
Kid Cunto said:
Can you name a proven Premier League creative midfield player who also happens to be an International for a gifted nation who would go for £20 million? I'd be impressed if you could. So no, for what Cabaye would cost, we probably couldn't get better players.
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I can't really be arsed listing players. If you think £20m is a good price for Cabaye, then kudos to you. I don't and my opinion will remain the same.
 
Under a new manager and chief exec we put in some low bids. What does that have to do with Arsene Wenger? They were stumping up the cash to get big players.

The point is that while £10 million was a bit low, £20 million when hes a year older, has already asked to leave, has less on his contract and historically players his age are rarely if ever at the £20 million mark means theres no way Yohan Cabaye will be. Its Cabaye we're talking about not Iniesta, he's not going to be in a rare category costing more than almost every other 28 year old.
 
Robbie Boy said:
You can't be serious? Players older than 28 have cost more than 20 million, bizarre argument. So they turned down £15m and 6 months later they will sell for cheaper than that? Errr ok. I assume the fee would be close to 20 million but how can we actually know.

If this was a Demba Ba type situation and he had a clause in his contract to leave for £7m or so, then yeah I would happily take him.
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List them and then tell me how Yohan Cabaye fits on that list.
 
Kid Cunto said:
Ah c'mon, list the players. I'm interested to hear...
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Why though? I'm not that pretentious that I will start listing players and act all know it all. It's not a matter of signing £20m superstars, fact is, if we spend that kind of money, it's gone from our transfer budget and then it's possible that we won't sign another midfielder anytime soon. This argument is absolutely pointless, we are not signing Cabaye.
 
Robbie Boy said:
Why though? I'm not that pretentious that I will start listing players and act all know it all. It's not a matter of signing £20m superstars, fact is, if we spend that kind of money, it's gone from our transfer budget and there and it's possible that we won't sign another midfielder anytime soon. This argument is absolutely pointless, we are not signing Cabaye.
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Not on 28 year olds
 
Cabaye is a very solid player and would instantly be our best CM or second best if/when Carrick gets his form back. He's probably as good as someone like Arteta or Ramires who perform solidly for Arsenal and Chelsea.
 
Robbie Boy said:
What? You do realise that RvP was 29 when we signed him and he cost over £20m with only a year left on his contract. Not too sure what angle you're coming from here.
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So Cabaye is in the same level as RVP? Fascinating. We should sign him right away then, he'll win us a league title
 
Big Ben Foster said:
How about we just quit signing average players? "Would improve our midfield" is not a good enough reason to sign somebody.
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Do you know how a football club works. If you think we can go and sign 23 world class players, go and support City or PSG or turn off the playstation. It's a squad game.
 
Eric'sCollar said:
Do you know how a football club works. If you think we can go and sign 23 world class players, go and support City or PSG or turn off the playstation. It's a squad game.
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We've got 5 squad midfielders already.
 
Eric'sCollar said:
Do you know how a football club works. If you think we can go and sign 23 world class players, go and support City or PSG or turn off the playstation. It's a squad game.
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Great straw man argument. Is that even what I said? We have enough squad players. We need someone in our midfield who is better than that.
 
Eric'sCollar said:
Do you know how a football club works. If you think we can go and sign 23 world class players, go and support City or PSG or turn off the playstation. It's a squad game.
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We already have plenty of squad players, we need actual top quality. If someone isn't good enough to start in a title winning side they're not what we need, it's that simple.

If we don't sign Cabaye we'll need to sign two quality cms in the summer. If we do sign Cabaye we'll still need to sign two quality cms in the summer. That isn't much improvement for 20m.
 
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