Of course Newcastle will value him at £20m (sure it will be even more actually), then Ed will offer £10m. We should know what is coming.
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Of course Newcastle will value him at £20m (sure it will be even more actually), then Ed will offer £10m. We should know what is coming.
It's not just a fan speaking, it's a realistic assessment of the situation. The same would be true of a club like Barca, Real or Bayern too. Bayern are a good example: finished fourth and missed out on the CL for a year. Yet they were still able to rebuild, sign something like eight players (including players like Ribery), and finished 1st the very next season.
Incoming players aren't going to see us as a "project" that will take years to come to fruition, they're going to see us as a giant of a club who will quickly be back to winning leagues again. No matter what happens, no matter how Moyes works out, we'll still be one of the biggest clubs in the world. Players don't ignore that, they know our current position is temporary.
Anyway, even if some players do want instant trophies, there are still an abundance of midfielders better than Cabaye because there are always an abundance of midfielders better than Cabaye.
Yeah, stepping stone signings are fine. Arsenal bought Arteta, Bayern bought players like Dante etc. It makes sense when you have to do a rebuilding job so I have no issue with that. Thing is, Arteta cost around 10m and Dante cost around 5m. That's how much these stop gap signings should be going for. If we can get Cabaye for around 15m then that's fine but at 20m+? It's a bad, bad deal.
They don't know anything of the sort. They'll likely have strong doubts that you'll finish in the top 4 this season, won't want to be playing in the Europa season next season and know that there's far from being a guarantee that that you'll be back in the top 4 at the end of next season.
It's not as simple as saying we missed out on Fabregas and should aim lower. I presume the clubs are talking to players/agents all the time and know who's interested and who's available.
Not only that but there might be players out there that are going to be top class. Players that the caf isn't even aware of.
Cabaye is 27 y.o, an established French international, quite possibly Newcastle's best player and has attracted the interest of Arsenal and PSG. He won't come cheap but it's never going to be as bad as £27million for Fellaini or £20 million for Young a year before he became a free agent. Arteta was 29 and sold by a club that needed the money and was willing to take a paycut just to make the move happen.
Nah, players know we're too big to stay out of the CL for long. It sounds a bit arrogant to put it like that but it's the reality, in the same way teams like Bayern, Real or Barca are too big to fall that quickly. Missing out on the CL for a year won't help but players think longer term than that, or at least enough of them do for us to be able to strengthen properly.
I don't often agree with Mourinho but: "If you ask my opinion, I keep thinking that United will be (in the top four at the end of the season). But if they don't, every player knows it's an occasional situation. It's not a situation that will last forever. It's not a situation where a player would think "If I go to United, for two or three or four years, I won't play in Champions League football". It's not the case."
Yep he wouldn't be as bad a deal as Fellaini or Young. That doesn't mean we should sign him though. Ultimately: a) Cabaye isn't worth 20m+, no matter who else is interested in him and b) we shouldn't be spending 20m+ on any player who is just intended to be a stop gap signing.
he would be a stop gap for now but in the long run if we get the marquee signing he would become an important squad player. He would be a better option to have than Anderson, Cleverly, Fellaini, Park or Gibson. It's important to have a deep midfield. When we won the CL we had Scholes, Carrick, Fletcher ( was coming into his own) Hargreaves and Anderson ( he was good and fit then). Real have Alonso, Khedira, Illaramendi, Modric. Barca have Busquets, Xavi, Iniesta, Song, Mascherano. Before that they had Yaya, Keita, Hleb. Bayern have Bastian, Kroos, Martinez, Thiago. Imo he is a signing we won't regret.
None of the other teams that you mention have problems anywhere close to being as big as yours .... and their international reputation is now significantly bigger than United's IMO.
You already need to recruit several new players in one go. If you don't finish in the top 4, that "several players" will become 6 or 7 in the summer, including a replacement for Rooney. With Moyes at the helm your chances of making a success of such a big transition are not great.
I think Cabaye would push a move through if a big club comes in for him again. He tried to get it done last time when Arsenal were in for him but they bid a bit low. I doubt Newcastle will be able to keep his head from being turned if big clubs come in for him another time
As for how good he is? Well only Yaya Toure and Ramsey have scored more goals as central midfielders this season. I think you could argue that at Newcastle this season he's playing slightly further forward than those players, but hes also scored more than the likes of Oscar who is playing in the hole as well. He hasnt created quite as much as he did in previous seasons, nor has he won the ball as much, but again I think this mostly comes back to playing behind the striker. Should we sign him to play in central midfield he'll likely lose a few goals, but create a few more chances and win the ball a lot more often like he did in previous seasons.
As for how good he is? Well only Yaya Toure and Ramsey have scored more goals as central midfielders this season. I think you could argue that at Newcastle this season he's playing slightly further forward than those players, but hes also scored more than the likes of Oscar who is playing in the hole as well. He hasnt created quite as much as he did in previous seasons, nor has he won the ball as much, but again I think this mostly comes back to playing behind the striker. Should we sign him to play in central midfield he'll likely lose a few goals, but create a few more chances and win the ball a lot more often like he did in previous seasons.
More proof that I would love him at United. How good would it be to see goals come from midfield again?
Another thing is that at 28 its now Newcastle's last chance to sell him and get decent money for him. If they leave it much longer they'll have to call up Arsenal and ask if that £10 million is still on the table.
Signing seven or eight players isn't impossible, Bayern did it the year they missed out on the CL (which would indicate their problems were quite deep at the time, no?). Plus it might not take quite that many players anyway. At the start of the season I'd have thought Arsenal were way short of title winning standard, yet they sign just a few of those and they're on top of the league. We might be surprised at the difference three or four quality players would make.
As for our repuation, it doesn't currently match Bayern, Barca or Madrid but it's still bigger than every team in the PL. Probably the most famous club in the world? Also one of the richest and with a recent history of sustained success. I'm fairly confident we can still sign quality. After all, Arsenal were able to sign someone like Ozil despite being definitely being less attractive than us.
Strange that while most on here agree that he would be an improvement, there are many complaints about the price - as if some magical barrier exists at $20 million that should preclude us from buying him. With add-ons, we shelled out 19mil for Carrick in 2006, and talent hasn't gotten any cheaper. (I am aware of the age difference).
If we are talking about adding talent of a similar or better than what we have, and few other prospects are available, it seems like a good move.
Consider both scenarios:
If we get into the CL, the purchase will have been successful and we can consider a bigger name in the summer. If we do not make the CL, we would have at least strengthened our midfield to a level that could compete for the top 4 next season. I think whether it's 15mil or 24mil is a moot point. It's the long term that matters.
If we are talking about adding talent of a similar or better than what we have, and few other prospects are available, it seems like a good move.
Consider both scenarios:
If we get into the CL, the purchase will have been successful and we can consider a bigger name in the summer. If we do not make the CL, we would have at least strengthened our midfield to a level that could compete for the top 4 next season. I think whether it's 15mil or 24mil is a moot point. It's the long term that matters.
I can't find a negative if he was to join. He would be an improvement on the leaving Anderson, the retiring Giggs, Jones moving to the back with Rio leaving. So there is 3 players. Then I would say he is a far better option than Fellaini. He isn't the world class player we need in there but you can't have 11 world class players, I think he would suit and provide the perfect balance in the midfield.
I think its a no brainer that we shouldnt be paying £20 million for a 28 year old Cabaye and thats why Newcastle wont be able to ask for that much.
feck, if we need all this, what does that mean for Spurs, just 1 result ahead of us, having blown £100m last summer on a load of shit in their rebuild.
With your doom-mongering about United, who haven't touched their transfer budget yet, you must be fecking devastated about Spurs.
Oh joy, we might have a midfield strong enough to compete for the top 4! It's amazing how quickly people have lowered their standards after one bad season.
There's no magic barrier at 20m but there should be a magic barrier at signing Cabaye for 20m. It's a bad deal we don't need to make. Some players are worth overpaying for (as we did with Carrick) but a lot aren't. Cabaye isn't good enough to make a massive difference for us. He might be a nice step in the right direction but that's what people said about Fellaini too. Those types of players aren't worth overpaying for.
We didnt overpay for Carrick. Instead we got long service out of a very good player. You dont get that from a 28 year old and will find few examples of players that age going for £20 million or more. So why would Yohan Cabaye be one of those few? He wouldnt be would he
At the time it was regarded as overpaying for him though. Obviously in hindsight he was worth the money but nobody really knew it would work out like that at the time.
I see. But you have to remember we bought him at like 24 giving him plenty of time to prove his worth. The same as Fellaini this summer. A real bad start for him but time to improve a lot and give good service over a long time. You dont get that from 28 year olds and thats why they lose their value
That shows how stupid you are
Why are you on a Manchester United forum if you have to say only Anti-United things????
He's really grown on me over the last year or so. I've always thought of him as a good player but one who would struggle to make the step up to the top four, but I actually now think he'd be good enough to be in a top squad. Similar to Arteta in that sense, but I think Cabaye is the superior player.
I'm not sure who he'd join though. Arsenal will be going for a big, big CM in the summer I'd imagine, whilst United might prove a risk at the moment. Chelsea and City are well stocked for midfielders.
I'm not sure who he'd join though. Arsenal will be going for a big, big CM in the summer I'd imagine, whilst United might prove a risk at the moment. Chelsea and City are well stocked for midfielders.
Signing Cabaye and Fellaini for a combined fee of 47.5 million quid is the sort of behaviour that's going to find us solidifying our position outside the elite clubs in the world. How anyone thinks this is something of a good idea is absolutely beyond me. We simply don't have the sort of funds to be throwing away that sort of stash on players who aren't going to lead us back to the standards we expect of this club.
He's the epitome of a highlights reel player. A goal here a goal there and somehow some are convinced he's quality. Well, he isn't. Spend time watching Newcastle matches and focus solely on him and you'll see for yourself. He's an erratic passer, poor under pressure and doesn't control any games. So why oh why do some fans want him here? Because he can on occasion score from 25 yards? Madness IMO.
This whole 'he's better than what we got' rubbish needs to come to an end asap. We hardly have a competent midfield. We have 40 year old wingers and recently recovered hospital patients in there. Sometimes we have 22 year old defenders or even bang on average academy products in there masquerading as midfielders. Our current midfield is definitely not the standard we should be comparing our future midfielders with, if it is, then god be with us.
He's the epitome of a highlights reel player. A goal here a goal there and somehow some are convinced he's quality. Well, he isn't. Spend time watching Newcastle matches and focus solely on him and you'll see for yourself. He's an erratic passer, poor under pressure and doesn't control any games. So why oh why do some fans want him here? Because he can on occasion score from 25 yards? Madness IMO.
This whole 'he's better than what we got' rubbish needs to come to an end asap. We hardly have a competent midfield. We have 40 year old wingers and recently recovered hospital patients in there. Sometimes we have 22 year old defenders or even bang on average academy products in there masquerading as midfielders. Our current midfield is definitely not the standard we should be comparing our future midfielders with, if it is, then god be with us.
In the last few seasons Cabaye has shown hes anything but a highlights player. He made a lot of tackles and interceptions, it went unnoticed. He set up a good amount of chances for his team, it largely went unnoticed. If he was a flashier player most people on here would want him ala Berbatov. Its only this season where he's playing behind the striker and letting his midfield control the game while he tries to make a telling pass or shot that he's mostly about end product (goals)
Far from having "blown £100m" we had a net cash surplus from our dealings in the summer.
Why would I be devastated about Spurs? I'm generally happy enough with the players we brought in and we remain 1 point ahead on our results so far compared to the same/equivalent fixture last season, which puts us nominally on course for 73 points as things stand.
And unlike United we won't need to replace a third of the squad in the summer, not least because the average age of our outfield players is only a fraction over 24 years.
He'd improve our centre midfield significantly. Has a very good range of passing, an eye for a killer ball, has bite in the tackle and scores goals from midfield. We've got no-one else that would compare. If he improved us to the extent where he made the difference in us finishing in 4th place in May, then he'd certainly be worth 20 million odd. I've no problems with his age, it bridges the gap between the kids we have and those that are near past it. At 28 we'd get a solid 4-5 seasons out of him.
Not much good having an average age of 24 (I make it 26 for your best 11 btw) if you've got players not up to the job. Friedel will be on his way, Dawson is a liability, Walker is borderline liability, Rose and Naughton aren't good enough, Holtby and Defoe will leave, Lamela and Soldado havn't settled, and Adebayors bound to lose interest again sometime soon. Despite spending 100 mill you's will still make half a dozen signings.
You might have a good enough squad if you fancy finishing 6th or 7th every year but not if you've got 4 ambitions. Only Lloris, Vertonghen, Dembele, and Eriksen are really good enough.
Hi, Newcastle United supporter here. I have watched him all season. I know you haven't. So I'd like to provide my qualified opinion that your post is a load of utter bollocks.
Not that I normally feel obliged to defend Cabaye - he's certainly not "world class" and not a long term solution to your midfield - but the kind of serial underrating of him by some in this thread is just ridiculous. And I certainly don't want him sold.
You spunked £100m largely on shit. It doesn't matter what you brought in cash wise. That's £100m that left the club when £20m well spent would've done the same job.
Your rebuild is at least as substantial as ours. Trouble is, you're already supposed to have rebuilt. When we're on the verge of our 2nd rebuild in 2 years in summer 2015, having wasted £100m in summer 2014, you can come back and laugh. Though you'll probably not have much to laugh about as without a drastic change to your throw enough shit at a wall transfer policy, Spurs will probably be on rebuild number 3 by then.
He'd be as good a signing as Carrick. I still can't understand the snobbery towards him in here.
He's definitely one of those players I'd love in right now at a decent price. Doesn't preclude us going on a big spend in the summer. Moyes is rebuilding a squad.
Agreed. If he was doing the same thing in Spain/Italy/Germany the muppets would be going mental over him.
Qualified my arse. I watch a lot of newcastle games, and he's nothing special. Maybe for a fans of a midtable clubs like yours who've been subjected to absolute rubbish in midfield over the years he might seem like a really good player, but not for us.
This. It's so obvious it hardly needs saying. This place is so full of know-it-alls who come across like school children, and one of their favourite games is putting down any player who dares to do well (and therefore get a high profile) for a non-top-6 club, while simultaneously wanking themselves off over the latest guy they've noticed doing an equivalent job in la Liga or Serie A.
It's basically just showing off that they've watched, or read about football beyond MOTD.
Jesus, the guy even said he's not world class or a long term solution, but you still have to patronise him to within an inch of his life. Sadly Mr Box is dead right, some of the under-rating of Cabaye on here is pathetic. He's a very tidy player, with an eye for goal, and he'd certainly improve us right now, if a short-to-medium term fix is what we're looking for.
Here's a test: Imagine if the guy was a United loanee, scoring regular goals form midfield for a top-half Premier League club. The whole place would be screaming at Moyes to bring him back and get him into the team.
Agreed 100%. If we get him he would improve our midfield and provide the much needed creativity.
Definitely good enough for us. Also if he's to develop into a deep lying playmaker type player then being 27 shouldn't be too much of an issue - those sort of players tend to peak after the age of 30.
What creativity? He's played further forward this season and has a grand total of 2 assists. In fact I'd say a good percentage of all his premier league assists have been from set pieces.
Except we wouldn't have to pay 20m+ to bring our own player back.
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