He's a good player but I'd only look at him in the summer and even then only if we fail to get someone of higher calibre. No need to get him now, imo.
Yohan Cabaye
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What creativity? He's played further forward this season and has a grand total of 2 assists. In fact I'd say a good percentage of all his premier league assists have been from set pieces.
Except we wouldn't have to pay 20m+ to bring our own player back.
He'd have significantly better players to provide service at United.
Again, like the other guy said he's not the best solution to anything but pretty much an upgrade to whoever we have to partner Carrick.
That's what we said about Ashley Young and his output has gone down here.
I never believed that about Young, he never looked like a player who could cut at United, while Cabaye does, tbh.
We have just offed Ando so if we don't get any CM in this window we might really hamper the rest of the season. It's mid season with the WC coming up so we're not gonna get any top CM at the moment even for a hefty sum. Cabaye seems a pretty decent short term solution.
Anderson leaving makes no difference as he never played. 20m+ for a short term solution?? Nah
He would have been handy if we haven't bought Fellaini, and he wouldn't have cost as much as 27.5m
Except we wouldn't have to pay 20m+ to bring our own player back.
What's that got to do with it? Nothing, it's irrelevant. I'm talking about the quality of the player, not the ins and outs of any transfer deal. If the loanee was good enough play for us, then so is Cabaye.
I'd use a roll-eyes smiley, but I've just noticed what a dick they make the poster look.
It's a stupid comparison. Of course fans would want a player who United own to come back especially as he costs nothing. Buying the player for 20m is not a comparable situation.
You're doing a good job of looking like a dick even without the smiley
Yup, you have to be absolutely top class to match the performance of our midfielders for the past few years.Why is creativity direct linked to the number of assists? You dont consider the likes of Iniesta and Modric creative?
Cabaye isnt among the best CMs or what will suddenly elevate our midfield to be comparable to the top sides but considering what we have, he'l be a big upgrade. Problem is, I dont see us spending another 25mil or so on him now that we have Fellaini.
Unfortunately I've got a memory the stretches further than the past few years. In those years we had absolutely class players in there and that's the class that newcastle fans haven't seen hence they fall in love with the first decent thing they see in there. Its all about standards in all honesty.
Carrick, Fletcher and Jones are back. Fellaini is back soon too. And then there is Cleverley too. There's a reason why Anderson was allowed to go on loan without a replacement too. Cabaye will most likely not be a definite starter and he isn't one for the future either. Yes, he's a good player and will improve the squad but not necessarily the first team, which I think should be the primary concern.
Tbf even arsenal were interested in him over the summer and wenger sure knows how to pick good midfielders. My only problem with him is the price, otherwise wont be a bad 3rd/4th choice midfielder. Has a good allround skillset as well.
Agreed, which is why there shouldn't be any urgency to get him this January.
He's never been one to control a midfield. Even when his and tiote's partnership was at its peak(2 seasons ago) tiote had more of the ball than him. He's about goals and final passes, nothing more nothing less. That's what the highlights show you and impresses people. He's dire under pressure and that's always exposed in the big games. Which big game would you confidently say he dictated? He's always been a hard worker and got stuck in but he isn't the all round package that we need.
As long as we get someone else in, then yes.
Wenger probably felt he need a midfielder that could fill the gap caused by his young midfielder's lack of experience. He made a low ball bid which he didn't follow up one which clearly let's you know where he puts him. Who are we bridging the gap too cause we sold our world class midfield talents?
No one, but he will be a step in the right direction. If we sign him in this window for a reasonable price, he will immediately make an impact. We can then sign either a world class midfield player or someone with the potential to be one in a couple of years. If we do the latter, then he can easily be rotated as you would expect him to be more consistent as well as being used to the pace of the EPL. If its the former, he can be 3rd/4th choice and take over from cleverley which will again improve our squad.
Plus his skillset means he can be partnered with almost anyone and perform at a good level.
We spent (wasted?) over £40M on Zaha & Fellani. We don't know whether Zaha is any good because Moyes won't play him & Fellani is, well, Fellani.
20 million quid on what you describe as a squad player/stop gap? We have to focus on getting in quality before quantity surely you can see that?
Hey, don't get tetchy just because you can't understand a simple point. Not my fault.
Exactly, he is only turned 28 just a few days ago. He has a good 4-5 years left in him and would be a very good addition to our midfield and he isn't cup tied. A bit of a no-brainer really.
I wonder why the thought of buying Cabaye leads to so much tension and conflict on here. It's all so aggressive and argumentative. Can't you lot just make your point once and be content in knowing you've expressed your opinion on the subject instead of having the same arguments with different people over and over again? Particularly because constantly repeating these arguments just leads to condescension and insults thrown in every now and then.
Some people think Cabaye's a good player that would make the squad stronger and improve the first team in the short term, some think the next midfielder we buy has to be top class and we shouldn't waste the money on just a decent player like Cabaye. There's very little more to it than that and neither opinion is hard to understand.
It's my own fault for coming into this thread and expecting some new news about Cabaye to be in here but still, it's tedious to read through dozens of posts every day going over the same debate with the same points repeated ad nauseam.
Some people think Cabaye's a good player that would make the squad stronger and improve the first team in the short term, some think the next midfielder we buy has to be top class and we shouldn't waste the money on just a decent player like Cabaye. There's very little more to it than that and neither opinion is hard to understand.
It's my own fault for coming into this thread and expecting some new news about Cabaye to be in here but still, it's tedious to read through dozens of posts every day going over the same debate with the same points repeated ad nauseam.
I think Cabaye would improve us. He isnt a top top player but he is a very good PL proven one.
If we buy him and he effectively replaces Anderson wouldn't that be a huge improvement?
Of course you can make the argument that we can wait till the summer to sign a better player. But I think spending £20mil now on a proven PL who will improve us and push us over the line in the race for 4th could be saving us a fortune long term.
If we buy him and he effectively replaces Anderson wouldn't that be a huge improvement?
Of course you can make the argument that we can wait till the summer to sign a better player. But I think spending £20mil now on a proven PL who will improve us and push us over the line in the race for 4th could be saving us a fortune long term.
10 to 15m. Never 20m, thats way too much. Personally I feel even our squad options should be better for a club of our quality. Thats why think he is worth signing for a good price.
You're being far from realistic though.
Firstly, comparing our situation to Bayern's is as far from realistic as possible given they have complete dominion over an entire league being the only financial super power in their division who can simply siphon the very best talent from their closest rival as and when they feel like it (Goetze and Lewandowski in succession is just outrageous) and have the pick of all elite youth in one of, if not the best, market for fledgling talent in the world. Discounting the financially doped clubs, you couldn't pick out a superpower who would have an easier time of sorting themselves out than Bayern.
Barcelona and Real Madrid are in the most rigged league in the world that is set up to always see them on top. It's wholly unrealistic to think up a scenario where they won't be on top with the new TV deal money and structure that's in place in Spain that not only works to keep them as the duopoly but ensures no other club can usurp them.
Our situation is as far removed from those clubs as can be. Two sugardaddy clubs who outbid and outspend everyone bar PSG, Arsenal suddenly opening their purse for top talent and a Liverpool side that will spend heavily on CL talent if they make the CL this season is just nothing like any other division out there. Without the CL, we'll be in big trouble and without SAF's security, there's no guarantee we have the managerial nous to not be in serious trouble in no time at all if we drop out of the top 4.
You hope our predicament is temporary and yet there's no assurances that there and thereabouts couldn't become perennial if we go on to lose RVP and Rooney this summer (from not qualifying for the CL) this 'we're Manchester United' thing doesn't stand for much if we're not willing to dig deep in the supposed coffers to bail ourselves out should things take a turn for the worse.
Should be aiming far higher than mediocre players like Cabaye.
Excellent post.
Our midfield plight skews people's views on what a really top midfielder is; Cabaye is not one. Very average player that stands out in an average side.
We ain't getting him for that much. That's around what arsenal offered this past summer and they were told to go do one. Can't see it being any different considering his contract ends in 2016.
Newcastle will never sell for that much. Comfortably their most important player. We'l need to bid 20+ and I just cant see us doing it.
It's also tedious people constantly bumping this thread every single transfer window and speaking like we are going to sign him, when realistically, we have barely even been linked with him.
Personally, I am 100% confident that we will never see Cabaye in a United shirt.
I don't want to derail this thread, so I'll just say that your comment is very obviously just stupid.
Have to agree with you there.
Very brave of you to come back 5 mins after beating the mighty Swansea. It doesn't change what I said, only those 4 would get a game for City, Chelsea, Arsenal and United (when we get our act together)
Its incredible the questioning of signing him, if he is available for decent price and not silly money than we should definitely be in for him.
When was the last time we signed a world class Midfielder? Yes, he may not be up there with the Iniesta's of this world, but he is still a very good player who would improve greatly on what we already have.
When was the last time we signed a world class Midfielder? Yes, he may not be up there with the Iniesta's of this world, but he is still a very good player who would improve greatly on what we already have.
He wouldn't get in our team remember.
Of course he would get into our midfield. And our midfield would still be extremely average. That's not much of an improvement for 20m or more.
He would cost silly money though, and of course he would get into our midfield, but that is indicative of our own midfield problems as opposed to Cabaye's ability.
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