I've said this too. I've seen a lot presuming that Cabaye would guarantee us top 4, but it could reasonably take him a season to find his feet.
Anyway, the twitter account was fake and there's no other reason to believe we are even looking at him.
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) and Imran (@Annihilate Now!) are here to discuss Amad saving our blushes in a win against Southampton as well as our now annual loss at home to Brighton. They discuss Amorim's post-match comments, revisit how mid-table we may or may not be, and discuss some transfer news.
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I've said this too. I've seen a lot presuming that Cabaye would guarantee us top 4, but it could reasonably take him a season to find his feet.
Anyway, the twitter account was fake and there's no other reason to believe we are even looking at him.
Agreed, I'm very concious of the price and said in the post that Godfather has a point there.
I think the point Brwned was making though is that neither of those signings were huge deals yet both players were instrumental in a historic treble for the club. Dante speaks for himself but Mandzukic was excellent as well, his performance against Juventus was one of the best I saw from a striker that season.
I didn't compare them ffs...
And how is it short sighted to look beyond the fact that Carrick won't be at his peak for much longer?
totally uninspiring
They have flattered to deceive because they are being burdened with all our creative duties. I don't think its coincidence that our wingers last performed consistently better when our center midfield was able to create much more than its capable of now.
We had the never fit Saha in reserve. I'd fancy Chicharito would make the match day team over him every single time
Fair enough But there is no good reason why it can't be. In summer 2007/2008 we went and solved all our issues of the time in one window (i.e Hargreaves, Nani, Anderson, Tevez) and it won us a champions league trophy and 3 league titles in a row. A refusal to repeat that has got us in the predicament we currently find our selves in.
But those come at premium. If you are lucky they are a hit ala CR7 and Rooney or a bad miss ala Nani and Anderson. I'd rather go for experienced players who are on the brink of stardom like when we signed Carrick.
I personally don't see how a player of that type is not what we need right now when he is vastly superior to all our other options in the role we need a player for. I'd rather secure such a player, and get to a summer in a stronger position to add a world star to the ranks due them seeing the team being more competitive than it is now. After all Giggs will be gone in the summer and I'd be surprised if Moyes will still till keep the likes of Anderson around.
Those two places in the first team squad midfield could reasonably go to a world star and a bright young starlet. Making us stronger in the long term.
And as I said earlier. Cabaye is just an example. Superior talents to him in the same bracket of players that are either on the brink of stardom or 7/10 Carrick type pros do exist and would all suit us down to the ground right now.....
the sad thing is that if we combine reported fees for Cabaye and Afroman we would have enough to sing a top bracket midfielder.
If we do sign him only one thing is guaranteed
We will get mugged
We will get mugged
Too good today.
He'd be available for a fair enough price I think. Wasn't he close to joining Arsenal for something like £16 million? He's definitely worth that to us. I'm a bit perplexed as to why we haven't been in for him.
He isn't tall; he doesn't have huge hair, and... I'm all out really...
Is he good enough though? If United buy him, he should preferably be first choice alongside Carrick/Fellaini, as he is quite a bit more dynamic than either of them.
Is he good enough though? If United buy him, he should preferably be first choice alongside Carrick/Fellaini, as he is quite a bit more dynamic than either of them.
Would he hell.
£15m I'd take him, anymore and we're best spending it on a real talent.
Not good enough and no doubt vastly overpriced to boot
think we would have got him for 15 million in the summer....
Newcastle were absolutely dire in the last few months of last season and Ashley is always likely to sell
I think they'd want close to 25/30 for him now
I don't understand 'good enough'. He's better than any or our central midfielders. Including Carrick. He's younger too, and a French international, who has been great in the prem for almost 3 years.
Makes too much sense for us to go for him though.
Makes too much sense for us to go for him though.
Is that just because of his goals or did you watch the game?
Bingo. We're in no position to be turning our noses up at midfielders, especially one's who are undoubtedly good enough for us. Cabaye is a class act on his day, he'd be a better passer than any of our current midfielders.
They rejected more than that from Arsenal didn't they?
That's what I don't get, people are screaming for Powell to come back, me as well to be honest, yet we got him from Crewe. However they don't think a French international is good enough.
Let's spend 25m on him and lineup with a 50m midfield of Cabaye and Fellaini
Not to split hairs but it'd actually be more like 53mil...
yes, beat barca at their own game, i like it
There are a host of players who are better than any of our CMS, Cabaye is just one. That's not a good enough reason to sign him specifically. We don't need to make signings who can compete with what we already have, we need signings who could compete with what our rivals have.
We already have an abundance of players who'd never get near our rival's starting 11s', I'm not convinced signing yet another is the right move.
If we finish mid table, who are our rivals? Maybe Jose will sell us Oscar/Hazard/Mata as he might not see us as rivals.
Is there any realistic targets that can elevate us to compete with rival club's midfield?
Also, aren't our rivals currently Liverpool and Tottenham? Cabaye would get into their sides.
See, this is the problem. We've had one bad season and people suddenly think we're competing with mid table teams. We're not. We're still at least the third biggest club in the world, our rivals are still the elite clubs. If we saw a club like Real, Bayern or Barca drop out of the top 4 for 1 season would we react in the same way? Of course not, we'd assume they'll be back up near their usual standard by the next season. It's no different for us.
If we start buying mid-table players all we'll do is consolidate our current position. This is especially the case if we overpay for midtable players, as we would have to with Cabaye. Buying players so we can finish fourth is a dumb idea.
The goal posts have moved though, we're not competing for the title and I can't see us bringing in world class midfield players.
Not this season, no but that's our aim.
Put it this way, we're not gonna go out and splash £200 odd million in the summer. Which is realistically what we'd need to do to start competing for the title again. So, what's gonna happen is Moyes is gonna bring in a lot of youth to develop, that's all we can do. In the meantime we'll need players like Cabaye to help the transition run smoothly.
We don't need to spend anywhere near 200m, what complete nonsense. This is the same squad that won the title last year ffs.
A midfielder, a winger and a LB are the main priorities.
We don't need to spend anywhere near 200m, what complete nonsense. This is the same squad that won the title last year ffs.
A midfielder, a winger and a LB are the main priorities.
Laugh away, we need three or four world class players in order to turn this side into title challengers. And like it or not, top class players cost north of £35 million nowadays, some as even as high as £50 or £60 million. It'd add up pretty quickly to something close to £200 million...
He wouldn't get into the Spurs first XI ... and in any case Newcastle ain't going to sell you one of their best players mid-season
Not this season but we're not targeting players for just this season. We're still aiming to win titles over the coming years so our standards should be unaffected by our current position.
Finishing outside the the CL places this year wouldn't be the end of the world. Bayern missed out on the CL a few seasons ago, they rebuilt the squad (signing excellent players like Ribery in the process) and finished 1st the next season.
I'm not saying there would be no place for a player like Cabaye here. I just don't see what makes Cabaye so special that we'd overpay for him when there are a lot of players as good as him around. I also don't see what kind of major impact Cabaye can have when, if we get back to our usual standards, he'll be yet another ordinary enough player.
He'd definitely be there or thereabouts. This is a French international we're talking about.
That's what people said about Arsenal and look how they've done.
Spend the money on the right players and even 60/70m will do the trick. If we start spending 25m on Yohan fecking Cabaye then we're fecked
Spend the money on the right players and even 60/70m will do the trick. If we start spending 25m on Yohan fecking Cabaye then we're fecked
That's fair enough. I just don't get some of the snobbery towards him in this thread.
The way I see it panning out is as follows.
Missing out on Champions League football for next season.
Not having the funds or the attraction of Champions League football to bring in the required talent to compete again.
Instead, relying on younger and lesser known talents in order to develop.
So in the meantime, signings like Cabaye would be suitable, in my opinion.
At that price though? Even if Cabaye would do a good job here (which isn't guaranteed) we'd still be paying 20m+ on a player who really isn't worth it.
Anyway, I think people overestimate how much damage finishing outside fourth will do. I think the players we'd be after would be confident we'll be back to our normal standard quickly and would be thinking beyond one CL-less season. They'd probably use it as leverage to get a better contract but beyond that I doubt they'll be too put off, especially if they see us doing a good job bringing in other quality players.
I'm not sure, I wouldn't be that confident of returning to the top four that easily. We've proven to be fairly poor at signing top quality as it is, without Champions League football it gets harder. Also, take into account Liverpool, should they get top four, they will retain their main asset and strengthen on top of that.
He's outperformed all of them this season.
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