I would prefer we sign someone with PL experience. We cannot afford to give someone time to settle in. We need to get into the Top 4 as if we don't that may impact on our summer dealings.
Yohan Cabaye
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That's pretty unfair to be honest. Fellaini played best behind the main striker, where his physicality proved effective for Everton's direct game. We decided to play him out of position and in a system which doesn't suits him at all (one touch, ball to feet football).
Its like buying Pique, play him in CM and end up bashing La Liga players because the player failed to make an impact.
So does Heinze used to play as CB with Argentina. That doesn't make him a CB. Some national sides are struggling to come out with a best 11 and so players have to 'adapt'.
I think that Moyes should have done like Guardiola. He would set a target (a reasonable one) and went out in the open saying that he either gets player X or he's done for the season. That would have placed pressure on the club who would be blamed for our mishaps for not being able to get the players Moyes wanted. Instead the club went for Moyes 'man' shifting all the pressure away from the money men and right on the manager's laps.
I think he'll end up a big success at either Arsenal or Liverpool.
Theres some serious underrating of him on the caf these days. Hes a far more rounded midfielder than hes given credit for.
The only question I have with him is regarding his mentality rather than his ability.
Theres some serious underrating of him on the caf these days. Hes a far more rounded midfielder than hes given credit for.
The only question I have with him is regarding his mentality rather than his ability.
He doesn't seem to be a player that would be phazed by playing a level above, he seems to have his head on his shoulders. I agree with you Deco, very good all rounded midfielder, with some really good strengths.
I imagine he'll eventually get a move to a bigger club when they can't find any better options, similar to Arteta.
I heard on the radio this morning that PSG had been sniffing around.
The Newcastle policy is to sell for as much as they possibly can, so if PSG are in they will pay the most.
The Newcastle policy is to sell for as much as they possibly can, so if PSG are in they will pay the most.
If Cabaye goes to PSG in January then he will be in their first team until June and then when they sign Pogba probably next summer than Cabaye will be getting very used to life on the bench...We definitely could do with him more than PSG........But....if PSG are in the running then the deal is already done as they will offer him much higher wages than us of course.....Cabaye would have been an infinitely better signing than Fellaini over the summer
As I have said a number of times, we should never buy squad players. We should buy young players for the squad position (Smalling, Jones, Rafael ect) and we should purchase players who we expect to start most games rendering our current starter a squad player and always either improving the team or improving the team's prospects for the future.
Oh god please no cabaye. We need someone much better.
Cabaye is an improvement on anything we have apart from a 32 year old Michael fecking Carrick.
It's just so important that you have to tell everyone over and over again, eh? Where would we be without these nuggets of wisdom you selflessly provide?
Cabaye is realistic target for us, he will improve our team and will not need time to get used to the league.
Are we basing all of this supposed interest from that WUM tweeter Horton?
Cabaye drifts out of the game a lot when I see Newcastle in full matches as opposed to highlights, plus he's being playing higher up this season under the new system they are using. He's a decent player but I just think he'd be buying more average level players and then moaning when they perform to that level.
Absolutely. Would cost close to 20m as well I imagine
He's better than decent and better than average, you'll all see when he gets here. 
You're in la-la-land if you don't think Cabaye has been on our radar for quite some time. I'd imagine that there's about ten midfielders we're really interested in and have monitored quite closely, with Cabaye being one of them.
That's the other aspect as well, given it's January and Newcastle have their own top 4 hopes, they'll bleed us on the fee.
I think Cabaye drifts out of the game a lot for Newcastle because they play through Tiote so much, for whatever reason. If he came here I think he'd do well and would certainly be good enough to be a quality squad player if we went again and bought someone of real top quality. £20m is a lot of money for him though, but that's the state we've got to at the moment. I know we shouldn't be aiming at squad level players (Young, Valencia, Buttner, Hernandez etc) but it's a position where we need both depth and quality. It's that bad.
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As of right now, he is much better than our Carrick, going by this season, although Carrick has been injured but he's looked horrible since coming back into the team.
He played higher up in tougher games as they wanted to tighten up in midfield so played Anita in there, because Cabaye is their most creative midfielder. It's difficult sometimes for a player to shine when his team do play long ball often to guys like Ameobi. His passing range is exquisite, and would save Rooney having to drop deep as often to pick out those long cross field passes to our wingers.
It's January, Newcastle know we are desperate for a CM and they would be selling to what is now their close rivals in the table. They could easily demand a fee higher than 20m.
Which would mean we would have spent 50m on Cabaye and Fellaini. 50 fecking million on 2 bang average players
Carrick was also immobile enough at the best of times, let alone at age 32 with a couple of years of niggling injuries. We don't need somebody to play alongside Carrick any more in my opinion. We need his replacement. 2 players good enough and fit enough to start for Man United every week.
As of right now, Cabaye could start every week for United. He has been one of the best midfielders in the league this season, and much better than anything we have to offer. Obviously in form Carrick is vital to our team but is he ever going to recover and find that form again? He's getting on a bit, just like our experienced centre backs who have been very poor all season, making costly mistakes.
Cabaye unlike Fellaini actually played in midfield so I suppose in that sense, it should make it easier for him to settle into the side than the case for the big Belgian. I'd take Cabaye and one other in midfield right now but it means we have to do something about the likes of Carrick, Cleverley, Fletcher and Fellaini - none of whom are good enough over a consistent period for a difference of reasons.
Part of me thinks Cabaye + AN Other would be fine. Except I was eventually convinced into thinking the same thing when we were signing Fellaini. At some point we have to sign this mysterious Top Quality Midfielder. Cabaye on his own will do feck all for us.
Cabaye is better than Fellaini and Cleverley but is that really our standard? In reality we'd be signing yet another midfielder who wouldn't get into any of our rivals' teams. I worry we're consolidating our mediocrity rather than making the giant leap in quality that's needed.
Maybe Cabaye would fit in well here and be a success but to me it looks like we'd be overpaying for yet another midfielder who wouldn't get into our first team if it was at the required standard.
Cabaye is better than Fellaini and Cleverley but is that really our standard? In reality we'd be signing yet another midfielder who wouldn't get into any of our rivals' teams. I worry we're consolidating our mediocrity rather than making the giant leap in quality that's needed.
Maybe Cabaye would fit in well here and be a success but to me it looks like we'd be overpaying for yet another midfielder who wouldn't get into our first team if it was at the required standard.
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I disagree with that. Right now all our problems start and end in midfield. We don't have a creative spark and it is over working our wingers and they are not enjoying the extra creative load at all.
Rafael, Evra, RVP , Rooney and Carrick would all make the starting 11. Chicharito, Jones, Smalling and De Gea would make the bench ahead of men like O'shea.
As a unit we are weaker. But I believe the talent is there. The biggest problem right now is lack of experience since the experience lads (save for Evra) seem to be falling apart physically.
The problem with targeting world beaters is you can rarely sign more than 1 at a time unless you are City, Madrid or PSG. I assure you, just 1 player will not solve our issues.
That is why I consistently site what Bayern did the summer of 2012/13 as compared to us who brought in RVP.
It's a good idea. however wed need to sign over 3 world beaters to do that. Realistically we'd never do that in one summer.
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you re not comparing like with like ffs...carrick is still recovering from a lengthy layoff..give him two or three games and we ll see who s the best. some ppl are so short sighted.......
Comparisons with Dante or Mandzukic are slightly flawed as they both cost far less than than Cabaye would. I think Dante cost less than 5m, didn't he?
Buying a player like that to improve us in the short term would be fine, but not at 20m+. At that price it isn't really worth it.
Buying a player like that to improve us in the short term would be fine, but not at 20m+. At that price it isn't really worth it.
You geniunely are an arrogant dick head at times.
Coming from the guy who thinks his opinion's so illuminating and important that it needs to be heard over and over again?! Hah. We're all just chatting shit here about something we don't know much about. I just find it amusing when people say that, as if saying it again in reply to someone else echoing similar thoughts is somehow vindication and proof that their opinion is indeed correct and knowledgeable and insightful and whatever else. I've said it before and I'll say it again, because you people really need to hear it. I'm that important.
Every time I've seen Newcastle this season Cabaye has been played further forward than what we are lookibg for. He's not got all the responsibilities of a deeper midfielder.
this comparison is massively flawed. Dante was a very good CB when he joined with great potential and is now probably the best CB in the league. Mandzukic is a Great poacher who massively lives from class around him. Cabaye is just a good midfielder. Not class but pretty expensive Id imagine. we need players better than him.
Disagree, I don't really think our wingers are good enough either. Nani and Valencia have both flattered to deceive, neither are top class. That's quite a flaw for a team that relies so heavily on their wide players.
That's two new players from our current first team who'd have forced their way onto that side? Evra, Carrick and Rooney are in both teams anyway. Evra isn't the player he was then either, so that's seven positions that have become weaker since? Plus I doubt Hernandez would've made the bench considering the strike force we had then.
Yeah, I think the talent is there too. We won't know for sure until they step up though and they're still some distance from doing that.
I wouldn't necessarily expect all our problems to be solved in one window, or for us to keep signing world beaters. I'd be happy if we signed talented youngsters and looked to develop into a great team over a few seasons. I just worry that overpaying for another solid professional like Cabaye isn't really what we need atm, unless we're planning on replacing someone like Fletcher, Cleverley or Fellaini (which I very much doubt we are).
I think Brwned's comparisons are spot on.
You make a fair point on the price, but lets not pretend that you expected Dante to become the player he has at Bayern. There is no way of knowing how Cabaye will adapt and improve at a better club with better team mates, he could easily come on a level or two.
Or he might struggle as Fellaini has so far. Signing the likes of Dante or Cabaye for a top club is a risk as you're relying on them improving in their new surroundings. Difference is that Dante cost less than four times as much as Cabaye would likely cost, so was far less of a risk. Value has to come into this kind of deal, just look at how the price tag has weighed on Fellaini.
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