Yohan Cabaye

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Some on here need to realise that there are plenty that simply don't rate Cabaye. I haven't seen one person here suggesting that 'we have always signed the worlds best players for every position'. Fact is, some, including myself, just don't rate or want Cabaye.

He is clearly the Caf's flavour of the month as this thread is constantly bumped. I'm not sure why so many are confident that we will make a move for him, it's all a-bit odd.

And yes Brwned, he has suddenly become overrated. I never implied no one ever rated him, but plenty more seem to have come out of the woodwork in the last few weeks after some good performances. I'm not implying he's a bad player, simply an average one. He is what Cleverley should be for us.
 
I thought we should have gone for Cabaye about 2 years ago, so that's not it. Some people might not rate him, but he is better than Cleverley, there's no two ways about it. I'm not saying he's world class, or even one of the best players in the league, but he would improve our side. That's what we need at the moment, not spunking £40m on a youngster because he might be the next whoever.
 
Goooose said:
I thought we should have gone for Cabaye about 2 years ago, so that's not it. Some people might not rate him, but he is better than Cleverley, there's no two ways about it. I'm not saying he's world class, or even one of the best players in the league, but he would improve our side. That's what we need at the moment, not spunking £40m on a youngster because he might be the next whoever.
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That's what people said about Fellaini
 
I genuinely don't believe any serious top class footballer out there would want to sign for David Moyes' Manchester United. I'm not multi-million pound footballer but I just can't see an established player being drawn to him and his team at the moment. I think he's got to get this side back up to where it belongs and prove himself as a top class manager.

Players like Cabaye will possibly be just about the level of player we can attract for a season or two.

Sounds harsh and cnutish but I genuinely believe what I've written. 1) We don't pay the top wages. 2) We aren't playing good football. 3) Players used to be drawn to the club because of the Fergie factor. It's a touchy subject and not a debate I want to get into in the Cabaye thread.
 
ISSYNAZAR said:
I genuinely don't believe any serious top class footballer out there would want to sign for David Moyes' Manchester United. I'm not multi-million pound footballer but I just can't see an established player being drawn to him and his team at the moment. I think he's got to get this side back up to where it belongs and prove himself as a top class manager.

Players like Cabaye will possibly be just about the level of player we can attract for a season or two.

Sounds harsh and cnutish but I genuinely believe what I've written. 1) We don't pay the top wages. 2) We aren't playing good football. 3) Players used to be drawn to the club because of the Fergie factor. It's a touchy subject and not a debate I want to get into in the Cabaye thread.
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We're 3 points off City! You make it sound like we're battling relegation.
 
Il Pret rosso said:
It's all in cycles. With the arrival of the money teams in the league and Europe, it was always going to be hard for clubs like Utd to eventually compete for top players and as a result take longer to transition themselves. You were very fortunate to have a great manager (and motivator) in Fergie but going forward, it was always going to be difficult for Moyes to manage this transition period.
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No, you are wrong. When a team is domenating for such a long time, the greatest way to continue in this vein of form is to strengthen the squad each and every year you win. Barcelona do it every year and they don't spend buckets to bring in players. Had we to have gone for Dembele and Modric when they were more than attainable, look at the position we would be in now.

- Carrick
- Dembele
- Modric
- Jones
- Giggs
- Cleverley

More than enough talent there to compete with the best. Instead we ignored such players, allowed our rivals to strengthen with such and we are no suffering for it. I will not concede to your point or anybody who feels as though somethinf else has occurred...we bought bad in certain cases and ignored possibilities when we should not have

With what faces us now and the very strong possibility of landing a player with very good ability - ala Cabaye...I hope to god we strengthen with him. Shift what is now dead weight like Ando and focus on the future. The same mistakes can not be made. Herrera is another I would love to sign who would immediately improve the side
 
100 said:
We're 3 points off City! You make it sound like we're battling relegation.
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No I don't. There is a fundamental difference between how we could attract players and how City have been able to attract players since the Sheikhs took over...
 
ISSYNAZAR said:
No I don't. There is a fundamental difference between how we could attract players and how City have been able to attract players since the Sheikhs took over...
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We haven't fallen that much with David Moyes as a manager that top players won't come, and we do pay high wages for top players - maybe not on the level of City but we're still prepared to pay quite a bit. Fair enough, we might not sign players from Madrid, Bayern or Barca etc but then very few clubs do! There's plenty of top players from clubs just below the European elite that would dive at the chance to come here...if you're talking about the very best players in the world then you may have a point, but that's a very small group of players.
 
100 said:
We haven't fallen that much with David Moyes as a manager that top players won't come, and we do pay high wages for top players - maybe not on the level of City but we're still prepared to pay quite a bit. Fair enough, we might not sign players from Madrid, Bayern or Barca etc but then very few clubs do! There's plenty of top players from clubs just below the European elite that would dive at the chance to come here...if you're talking the best players in the world then you may have a point, but that's a very small group of players.
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It's a personal view...I'm not too bothered if people disagree. From where I'm sat I just can't see how an emerging superstar or an established player would choose to come to United at the moment unless we 'incentivise' the deal in more than football terms...and history says we'd only do that for a Robin van Persie (who to us comes around once in a blue moon).

It doesn't mean we're shit or he's never going to be be able to attract good players, I just believe he has to create an identity on the pitch and make a name for himself as a tactician and a top club manager. Bringing through someone like Januzaj and nurturing him to success will help in time...it'll show a level of competency in handling players. I can't imagine self-interested footballers are too clued up on his Everton stint (well those outside England).
 
Gaeilge said:
No, you are wrong. When a team is domenating for such a long time, the greatest way to continue in this vein of form is to strengthen the squad each and every year you win. Barcelona do it every year and they don't spend buckets to bring in players. Had we to have gone for Dembele and Modric when they were more than attainable, look at the position we would be in now.

- Carrick
- Dembele
- Modric
- Jones
- Giggs
- Cleverley

More than enough talent there to compete with the best. Instead we ignored such players, allowed our rivals to strengthen with such and we are no suffering for it. I will not concede to your point or anybody who feels as though somethinf else has occurred...we bought bad in certain cases and ignored possibilities when we should not have

With what faces us now and the very strong possibility of landing a player with very good ability - ala Cabaye...I hope to god we strengthen with him. Shift what is now dead weight like Ando and focus on the future. The same mistakes can not be made. Herrera is another I would love to sign who would immediately improve the side
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Barcelona do it cause they have a system that goes all the way back to their academy. It's easier to join a team that has an identity as there isn't much of a transition phase on the pitch when you bring new players in. Even Ajax have a system that new players need to adapt to. It's not like that at Utd and that would obviously make it harder. There was a system by which you all played in your earlier title winning years...it's hardly there now cause I think Fergie wanted to adapt to the moneybags which have entered the league.
 
100 said:
Yup, because all of our success has come with the world's best players in every position. Dortmund also only signed the world's best players last season. Arsenal have a very good midfield, with two of the best players in the world in Arteta and Flamini playing important roles.

On the other side of things you have the likes of Madrid and City, where signing the world's best players has won them little compared to their expenditure. Signing world class players in no guarantee of anything.
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All of our success has come from bolstering homegrown talent with big names when the need arises. Berbatov,Rooney, RVP. We then try and cherry pick the market like most other clubs for bargain potential like Ronaldo but I am teaching my grandad to suck eggs here aren't I as we already know this. Our last big name central midfield acquisition was Carrick and its been showing in our play for 2-3 seasons now.

Mainoldo said:
Well you can't blame the posters. Mention a name like Kroos and you get laughed at. Sometimes i wonder of I've entered an Aston Villa forum.
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I don't blame anyone for laughing but I was merely suggesting the calibre we should be aiming at. I don't think for a minute we can get Kroos but we should at least be looking at that top tier. Bayern moved heaven, earth and the contents of a bank vault to take Goetze to the Alliance and if we want to keep up with the jonesys were going to have to do the same unless of course we can bring through a top drawer cm that isn't a complete bellend.
#prayforpowell
 
gasmanc said:
All of our success has come from bolstering homegrown talent with big names when the need arises. Berbatov,Rooney, RVP. We then try and cherry pick the market like most other clubs for bargain potential like Ronaldo but I am teaching my grandad to suck eggs here aren't I as we already know this. Our last big name central midfield acquisition was Carrick and its been showing in our play for 2-3 seasons now.
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Vidic, Evra, Carrick, Hernandez, Valencia, Hargreaves, Park...all 'big names' prior to signing?
 
100 said:
Vidic, Evra, Carrick, Hernandez, Valencia, Hargreaves, Park...all 'big names' prior to signing?
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Mate two of those names where/are out and out CM's and I must have been on another planet when Park was a big name and even Hernadez, he was just a child.
Hargreaves was unfortunate but despite being on the payroll he retired years ago and we still haven't replaced him either :lol:
The time it's taking to replace Scholes and now Giggs we should be looking to start replacing Carrick about 2 years ago, our succession planning, managerial as well as player wise has been somewhat disastrous so far.
 
They weren't big names, that's exactly my point. You don't need to be a 'big name/world class' player to improve a team, and you can improve as a player by making the step up and having better players around you. Probably not the best examples as some were younger than Cabaye and others involved brilliant scouting, but you get my point. Just look at Arteta/Flamini/Gustavo and more.
 
I agree with the idea that we can't wait until some Fabregasesque superstar becomes available, we need to improve asap. I just don't get why we'd go from targeting a world class superstar to targeting Cabaye. He is certainly "better than most of what we've got" but so are a lot of players. A lot of players are better than Cabaye too.

The fact that we can't sign a superstar shouldn't mean we go straight to targeting relatively ordinary players like Cabaye. There is a big middle ground there.

I really don't get why we should have such low standards for our midfield targets when we've consistently brought in quality players in other positions. It seems like some have you have started to believe it's impossible for us to sign a brilliant midfielder, even though we've signed brilliant strikers, goalkeepers and defenders in recent years.
 
100 said:
They weren't big names, that's exactly my point. You don't need to be a 'big name/world class' player to improve a team, and you can improve as a player by making the step up and having better players around you. Probably not the best examples as some were younger than Cabaye and others involved brilliant scouting, but you get my point. Just look at Arteta/Flamini/Gustavo and more.
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I've already done the fishing for gems post mentioning Ronaldo as easily our best piece of scouting, not sure it was in this thread but I think it was. Youth, potential first and bolster that with truly great players when you can't source them in house or from your scouts. We have always done it in that manner in SAF's era but we haven't produced or found a decent cm that's stayed so we need to get one in.
Judging by tonight we need to get one in fast and get a fecking good one.
 
He's not good enough. Better than Fellaini but that's no reason to but him
 
You get a grip - he was in that position. Kinda like Fellaini, Cleverley and Carrick never are.

Oh and he scored as well - kinda like those 3 never do
 
He's significantly better than all our options, that said, even Tiote looked better than Cleverley and Fellaini have done in recent weeks.

We are finally getting what we deserve for our atrocious midfield.
 
lysglimt said:
You get a grip - he was in that position. Kinda like Fellaini, Cleverley and Carrick never are.

Oh and he scored as well - kinda like those 3 never do
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He;s playing in a much more advanced position that either of those.
 
He was decent to quite good today no more, but still decided the game. And now has 3 more goals than our CM options combined
 
Didn't even have a good game today, goal notwithstanding, but was still easily the best midfielder on the pitch. We haven't played with a 3 man midfield of Anita/Cabaye/Tiote too many times, and not this season at least, and he looked a little uncomfortable.

edit: should say, best until HBA came on, whom I thought looked excellent given his lack of playing time recently.
 
Ekeke said:
He's another CM who has performed better than any of our CMs bar Carrick. Make fun if you want but he's better than Cleverley
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That's not a high bar to be fair there is not many worse in the league than Cleverley right now!
 
Lawman said:
That's not a high bar to be fair there is not many worse in the league than Cleverley right now!
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Oh I know, but Shelvey has had a very good start to his Swansea career. If he hadnt failed at Liverpool he wouldnt be something to poke fun at :P he's actually a pretty good player now
 
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