Yeah there's that and the fact that I've seen both play with my own eyes. Which one did we try to sign in summer? Oh yeah, that's right, Herrera.
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Yeah there's that and the fact that I've seen both play with my own eyes. Which one did we try to sign in summer? Oh yeah, that's right, Herrera.
How can you expect a player to dictate tempo and control the game when he's surrounded with dross like Tiote and Anita who have completed about 3 passes between them all season?
While thats true Carrick came at 24(?) and was coming to help our top class midfielder Scholes play as well as he can. I dont think Cabaye would be coming to allow Michael Carrick to play his best football ever and nor is he the top class midfielder Scholes was. So I think its an entirely different situation. I think if Cabaye came, Carrick would again play the role of allowing the other midfielder to play at his best as he did with Scholes.
He better bloody do...
Do you think anyone player is the answer to our huge midfield problem as you put it?
What people are saying is we need more than one player to sort out our midfield problem and he could possible be one of a number of players to come in.
I'd imagine Anderson and Fletcher will leave in the Summer if not before, Giggs can't be trusted to play there, that leaves us with a CB in Jones a 33 year old in Carrick, Cleverly who is hit and miss and Fellaini who has yet to prove himself to a lot of fans.
As I said we need more than one. He's not the solution but he would be part of it I'm my eyes.
How can we still need 2 CMs after spending £28 million in the summer?
Really?
We hadn't signed a midfielder in 6 years, we got rid of two good prospects in Pogba and Morrison. We will be getting rid off Anderson and Fletcher soon, we also lost Scholes recently (twice). Our best player in that position is nearly 33 and is currently out for 6 weeks.
I said in this thread in the summer that we should have gone for Cabaye over Fellaini. He's not the world class signing everybody wanted but he would have strengthened our midfield whereas I don't think Fellaini has at all.
I don't know man, I'm only sure that signing Cabaye wouldn't be a bad thing for Utd and it wouldn't mean the midfield strengthening by Moyes. Our midfield pbs won't be resolved by the signature of one midfielder only and that includes the best in the world, available and unavailable.
I think Fabregas would have sorted it out in a one shot. Other than him and Bayern CMs, we need Fellaini to start playing well + a new quality CM
Cabaye is probably the best and most suited midfielder that we could realistically buy in January.
In the summer we could look to buy a big name and clear out Anderson.
In the summer we could look to buy a big name and clear out Anderson.
I insist. Buying Cabaye would be like buying a Carrick all over again. But we wont look his way...
Bottom line, signing a Cabaye would be a step in the right direction.
I tend to agree with this. Cobaye is a tidy player, and he is also capable of scoring from midfield (and may even be slightly ahead of Carrick in this aspect). If were to sell Anderson and bring in Cobaye, we would definitely be a stronger team.
Really? Let's assume Anderson, Giggs and Fletcher won't be playing for us next season. If we then signed a top player like Fabregas, our midfield options are: Cesc, Carrick, Fellaini, Cleverley. That certainly looks better than what we have now but when you compare it to, say, the options we have up front: Rooney, RvP, Hernadez, Kagawa, Welbeck?
Even if we had signed Cesc and Fellaini we'd still arguably be weaker in midfield then we are in any other position. So I really can't see how Cesc alone would have solved the problem. He'd have replaced Scholes nicely but we'd still have to replace Giggs, Fletcher and Anderson. On top of that, Carrick isn't going to be around forever either and there are no guarantees he'll be able to go on for years.
Cabaye is decent enough to be a decent player in our squad, but we already have two of those in Cleverley and Fellaini. Plus Cabaye isn't exactly young either.
Erm, except Cabaye is several miles better than those 2. Isn't exactly young? he's 27
Never understood this obsession with age.Erm, except Cabaye is several miles better than those 2. Isn't exactly young? he's 27
It's beyond stupid tbh, Cabaye is entering his prime years in theory but no he's too "old" for some
Erm, except Cabaye is several miles better than those 2. Isn't exactly young? he's 27
He'd be 28 by the time we signed him, but yeah, LOL SMILEY!
Interest in age hardly an unfathomable "obsession". If a young player was putting in Cabaye's level of performance it would be an exciting prospect as you'd expect them to improve further. Late 20s is often the peak years for a footballer. It seems unlikely that Cabaye will improve much further at his age. I have nothing against signing fantastic players who are 28 or older. I'm dubious about signing decent players who are 28 or older.
Whether or not Cabaye is better than Fellaini or Cleverley is debatable but it's marginal. There's really no way anyone can say that he's "miles better" unless you're deliberately being hyperbolic. I don't mind a bit of hyperbole every now and then to hammer home a point, but in this instance I'm left scratching my head as to what your point actually is.
It's not debatable that he is better than Cleverley IMHO. Cleverley is at best good and in general average.
Nothing, I just pulled you up on your bizarre point, being that you think Cabaye is no better than Cleverley or Fellaini. So I'm not sure where we go with this after that.
I agree the bsession with age is too much.Erm, except Cabaye is several miles better than those 2. Isn't exactly young? he's 27
True
But just like Barnes pointed out that racism permeates society, so does the obsession with age. Basically, it's all about being young enough, not necessarily good enough, which quite sadly is ridiculous.
Did you really just make a comparison between a serious worldwide issue and some (exaggerated) armchair football fan fad?
Yes I did, and just like there's a link between racism in football and racism in society, there's a link between the obsession of age in football and in society as a whole. In Norway, older more experienced workers have to give way to younger up and coming workers, just like footballers really. It was reported just recently that young people are given more responsibility than they seek whereas older, more experienced people tend to be put on the sideline.
One is certainly more of an obvious issue, but the other one is quite important also; and another where football in some ways mirror society. I don't think it's far fetched at all, and I'm not saying they're the same either, just that they can be compared.
To make my point clear: trends in society, be it racism, prejudice, capitalism or whatever can sometimes be mirrored in football.
Erm, except Cabaye is several miles better than those 2. Isn't exactly young? he's 27
Which Fellaini? I'm quite sure the vast majority of midfielders over the past few seasons would sooner play against Cabaye as opposed to Fellaini. "Several miles" better my arse. Both play for esteemed international sides, both have performed admirably for mid table clubs - Everton being better, of course - and both have been either the best or second best player at said club. All in all, Cabaye probably suits the United way a little more than Fellaini, however, I would argue that Fellaini has been the more effective, productive and consistent midfielder out of the pair over the past 3 seasons.
Well he hasnt. For one, his best season he wasnt in midfield. He was in Rooney's role. For two, Cabaye has consistantly done more defensively than Fellaini and only the 1 season where Fellaini played in the hole did he do more offensively.
Well he has. Contrary to the statisticians, I'm quite sure in saying that Everton played best when Fellaini was in his central midfield/box-to-box role, and I've seen many Everton fans testify to that. He played as an attacking midfielder because Everton struggled for goals. He helped them score. In the midfield role, he did a fine job after a rough start, and was damn effective in there. Again, Cabaye is more of a natural fit for our way of playing. But, I don't really care who "did more" according to the stats. Different teams are set up in different ways and the comparisons stand to a grand sum of naff all when out on the pitch. I'm sure I read that Cleverley makes more tackles than Carrick. I rest my case. Fellaini's 'best season' was only that in the minds of the media and run of the mill football fan. The only lot that have an idea of what they're talking about is the Everton support and I always got the impression that they preferred both him, and the team as a result, when he was in midfield partnered by Gibson.
Are we even linked with him btw?
I dont know how people are saying Cleverley and Cabaye are on the same level. Cleverley is overhyped because of the club he plays for in my opinion. If he was a Liverpool player we would all laugh at him as we do with Jordan Henderson
Indeed, it's a mystery. I think Clev is certainly better than Henderson but he's basically our Joe Allen equivalent.
Cleverly hasn't progressed as much as we all had hoped, as a fan it's hard to admit that it may be time to move him on, hopefully he proves me and many others wrong, he has it in him to make it here. I'm not sure what's went wrong.
I had really high hopes for him. He still shows shows glimpses of potential, sadly that's not enough anymore, he will be 25 next season and should be showing more consistency and playing on a more regular basis.
I'd like to think he will be given one more season, he has to be given the chance to prove his worth to Moyes.
Either way he's a decent squad player who came through the academy. No need to sell him as such.
If he adds nothing to the squad for the next couple of seasons then there would be no point holding on to him. If, but I expect it to be when we improve our midfield area will be a telling time for Cleverly, make or break so to speak. I appreciate he came through our academy, however that should have no bearing on his future at the club. He has to fight for and earn his place like everyone else, if he's not good enough, which I think he is, but if he isn't then he has to go.
It's important in teams to have decent squad players who won't bitch about their lack of playing time when there are better players than them at the club. I'm not saying Cleverley should be like that but the club needs to have players like him at the club. Players from the academy and who will accept their limited roles from time to time.
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