Yohan Cabaye

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All the criticism thrown at Cabaye are the same exact ones thrown at Carrick back now obviously there is no guarantee Cabaye would be as much as a success as Carrick has been but I don't understand this holier-than-thou attitude some of our fans have. Cabaye wouldn't be "good enough" and all, it screams delusion of grandeur to me.
It's all about opinions I suppose.
I also think a lot of our fans suffer from a thing I like to call madridism, all our transfer targets have to be superstars or there not up to "United standards" it's ridiculous at times.
 
I wouldn't mind him here. A better player than any of our cms bar Carrick, would fit into our team and is quite a professional and intelligent player from what I've heard. Also PL proven.

People are right to point out we need more than Cabaye though, we need to improve our midfield significantly rather than falling into the "better than what we have now" trap that was part of what convinced some that Fellaini would be a good buy.

Thing is, do we really just need one more midfielder? If we assume that Anderson leaves, Fletcher can't make it back to the level we need and Giggs retires, then we're left with Carrick, Fellaini, Cleverley, Jones. Hardly inspiring is it?

Looking at that, a top class player + Cabaye would hardly be overkill.

Yep, getting Cabaye plus that top class Fabregas type is needed considering our current options in there. We need to take the pressure off Carrick, he'll be 33 in the summer and he might struggle to play so many games next season. Anderson has had more than enough chances and I'm surprised he didn't leave in the summer. Giggs will retire and Jones will surely want to make centre back his position now that Rio looks on the downhill. That'll leave us with Carrick, Fellaini and Cleverley in midfield which is a joke to be honest.
 
It's all about opinions I suppose.
I also think a lot of our fans suffer from a thing I like to call madridism, all our transfer targets have to be superstars or there not up to " United standards" it's ridiculous at times.

It's stupid because there are more decent/good players out there than genuine superstars available. People have to accept that it's not possible to compete for certain type of players anymore, in terms of wages and transfer fee, it's impossible. You would think that in these days, where money involved in football is so much talked about among fans, that the financial reality of the club would be grasped by now.
 
It's stupid because there are more decent/good players out there than genuine superstars available. People have to accept that it's not possible to compete for certain type of players anymore, in terms of wages and transfer fee, it's impossible. You would think that in these days, where money involved in football is so much talked about among fans, that the financial reality of the club would be grasped by now.
It's not impossible. The financial "reality" and a lack of availability of players is a poor excuse. The talent is always out there. When people say thAt they don't want "decent to good" players, it doesn't mean they want ready made superstars. But possibly someone who can be a future, much like Aaron Ramsey is becoming and Januzaj most definitely will. The talent is out there. We might not be aware of the exact players, but who had heard of gundohan and Kagawa when Dortmund picked them up?
 
It's stupid because there are more decent/good players out there than genuine superstars available. People have to accept that it's not possible to compete for certain type of players anymore, in terms of wages and transfer fee, it's impossible. You would think that in these days, where money involved in football is so much talked about among fans, that the financial reality of the club would be grasped by now.
Can't argue with that.
 
It's not impossible. The financial "reality" and a lack of availability of players is a poor excuse. The talent is always out there. When people say thAt they don't want "decent to good" players, it doesn't mean they want ready made superstars. But possibly someone who can be a future, much like Aaron Ramsey is becoming and Januzaj most definitely will. The talent is out there. We might not be aware of the exact players, but who had heard of gundohan and Kagawa when Dortmund picked them up?
Are you saying the club aren't doing that?
 
Nothing wrong with wanting us to sign someone exceptional. We're due in midfield after all.

Wanting and reality are two very different things. It's a long term underlying problem which needs more than one player to make it right again. Adding Cabaye amongst others is what people want.

Most of the talk here is signing someone in January. Who else can anyone get other than Cabaye to play in the CL in January? (Regardless of how likely a January move is at all).
 
It's not impossible. The financial "reality" and a lack of availability of players is a poor excuse. The talent is always out there. When people say thAt they don't want "decent to good" players, it doesn't mean they want ready made superstars. But possibly someone who can be a future, much like Aaron Ramsey is becoming and Januzaj most definitely will. The talent is out there. We might not be aware of the exact players, but who had heard of gundohan and Kagawa when Dortmund picked them up?

You're essentially agreeing with me whether you realize it or not. Man Utd cannot go for true superstars like some fans want the club to do so but it doesn't mean there aren't quality and cheaper players out there.
 
You're essentially agreeing with me whether you realize it or not. Man Utd cannot go for true superstars like some fans want the club to do so but it doesn't mean there aren't quality and cheaper players out there.
That I agree with. But I don't think we need to settle for decent or good players as you out. You can still look for the same quality or potential quality. You don't have to go for mid range players instead. I'd rather see us give another Anderson a go rather than someone who will be decent.
 
Wanting and reality are two very different things. It's a long term underlying problem which needs more than one player to make it right again. Adding Cabaye amongst others is what people want.

Most of the talk here is signing someone in January. Who else can anyone get other than Cabaye to play in the CL in January? (Regardless of how likely a January move is at all).
It's not my job to find the right players. How many players do we even watch? It's up to the management to find the quality we need.
 
That I agree with. But I don't think we need to settle for decent or good players as you out. You can still look for the same quality or potential quality. You don't have to go for mid range players instead. I'd rather see us give another Anderson a go rather than someone who will be decent.

It's just semantics then, I see Cabaye as a good player. One I would be happy to see play at Man Utd. Anderson is average and should have left a while ago.
 
It's just semantics then, I see Cabaye as a good player. One I would be happy to see play at Man Utd. Anderson is average and should have left a while ago.
I haven't seen a lot of him but he's pretty much never stood out for me whenever I've seen Newcastle. I think we need genuine quality in midfield now. We've had years of too many good/goodish/decent players there.
 
That's the risk you take.
Personally I think we've been successful at it.
We've been successful. Wouldn't say we've been great in central midfield though. It's just that the rest of the team has made up for it. The goal always has to be to improve at your weaknesses.
 
Aye, what you said in the first paragraph is ridiculous because half the Newcastle team have been muppet targets on here. Cabaye is flavour of the month once again. It's just funny how his thread doesn't get bumped when he's playing poor or Newcastle are getting rolled over every week.

£20 mill? No chance. We wouldn't go much higher than that for Herrera, who is better than Cabaye.

Maybe he is flavour of the month with the general fanbase, but I've always been a big admirer of his and a player who I think will improve us, give us a different dimension, but also fit well into the team.

I'm not comparing him to Herrera. It's just a fee I wouldn't mind us spending on him. What is a very good midfielder worth to us though? He could have a massive impact and be worth that sum of money to us, if he performs well.
 
Cabaye is more than good enough to be in your squad, that's not even up for debate. And this isn't off the back of seeing one or two good league games and a game for France; I've been watching him for years as I support Newcastle. The one big benefit I see in him over other some of the other names mentioned is you know he can cut it in this league and there's no gamble on adaptation.

The only real question is whether or not he'd be moving as first team or as rotation/backup. If it's the latter then what we're going to ask for him will be a ridiculous price to pay for a backup and you're better off blooding youth/sticking with what you have and spending that money elsewhere.
 
I haven't seen a lot of him but he's pretty much never stood out for me whenever I've seen Newcastle. I think we need genuine quality in midfield now. We've had years of too many good/goodish/decent players there.

We haven't really had though, apart from Fletcher, Carrick and Scholes, who else have been a good midfielders for the club ? Besides buying Cabaye wouldn't prevent the club from still looking for possible special talents. With Giggs eventual retirement and Anderson probably departure, a couple of midfielders won't hurt.
 
But it's not your job to decide? You said it's up to the management. He may well be top of a January shopping list for all we know.
That doesn't make sense.

I said it's the managements job to find the right players. The point was made to emphasize that saying "but who's available that we can buy?" is silly because we watch too little of the pool of players out there. However, we can express an opinion on the players we've actually seen, because, well, we've seen them.
 
We haven't really had though, apart from Fletcher, Carrick and Scholes, who else have been a good midfielders for the club ? Besides buying Cabaye wouldn't prevent the club from still looking for possible special talents. With Giggs eventual retirement and Anderson probably departure, a couple of midfielders won't hurt.
That's three. Giggs has at times been good for sure. Anderson and Cleverley in short spurts. Basically it's either been oscillating between good to rubbish for our midfielders most of the time.
 
We've been successful. Wouldn't say we've been great in central midfield though. It's just that the rest of the team has made up for it. The goal always has to be to improve at your weaknesses.
This is true.
 
He's anything but 'neat and tidy'. Good eye for a pass, likes a shot and puts himself about quite a bit. That might change if he came here though.
 
I like Cabaye a lot.

No qualms if he we got him.

Tbf, I still think Fellaini will end up doing pretty well.
 
Surely we have to be aiming higher? He's got great vision, great shot and gets stuck in but that's all there is to his game. Doesn't control tempo or dictate play. He's got inconsistent passing especially when he tries the long rangers out wide, poor play in tight spaces. Honestly think this would be like signing Young all over again.

Would take Saleh Gomaah long before this guy and I'm not even kidding. We have to do better than this surely.
 
Surely we have to be aiming higher? He's got great vision, great shot and gets stuck in but that's all there is to his game. Doesn't control tempo or dictate play. He's got inconsistent passing especially when he tries the long rangers out wide, poor play in tight spaces. Honestly think this would be like signing Young all over again.

Would take Saleh Gomaah long before this guy and I'm not even kidding. We have to do better than this surely.

Great post. Except for the last paragraph never heard of him
 
Surely we have to be aiming higher? He's got great vision, great shot and gets stuck in but that's all there is to his game. Doesn't control tempo or dictate play. He's got inconsistent passing especially when he tries the long rangers out wide, poor play in tight spaces. Honestly think this would be like signing Young all over again.

We have to do better than this surely.

Fully agreed. Not sure how people think he'd be an answer to our huge midfield problem.
 
Fully agreed. Not sure how people think he'd be an answer to our huge midfield problem.

Truth is there is no one player who'd solve our midfield problems. Even if we signed a top class midfielder (Fabregas or Gundogan, say), midfield would probably still be the weakest part of our squad. We certainly need that top class midfielder but there'd be plenty of room for someone like Cabaye too. It might be nice to have actual options in midfield for once.
 
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