Exactly, I don't get the pessimism. He'd be a great signing and I don't think he'd cost the earth either.
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Exactly, I don't get the pessimism. He'd be a great signing and I don't think he'd cost the earth either.
I think he would improve like Carrick did, and become a permanent fixture in the starting line up. He also seems to be open to a move here, which is a bonus.
I'm assuming you're basing this on him playing for Newcastle.
He's already better than the options you have in his position.
This is one of the dumbest things I have read on this forum.
Can't seem to find an interview from a few months ago where he basically opened the door to a move to us. I felt certain we'd move for him then.
I want the guy coming to our club and he obviously wants something better than Newcastle United. He's pretty good at passing and attacks well + good free kicks. I'm just having nightmares thinking about his pricetag. Imagine us having to buck up something like £28m again on a midfielder. Insane. An honest price for Cabaye would be something like £18-20m at most.
Thats not a good reason to sign Cabaye.
Seriously? He used to be worshipped on here because he could make lots of 5 yard passes each game. Cisse is another, he was another apparently top class Newcastle player that we should have signed.
Why would you be so against the signing?
Personally I don't think it's going to happen as we haven't really shown any real interest. I'm just interested as you seem so dead against it.
Fair enough. It is grating when some people (not you) claim there are very few players out there who would improve our midfield.
I'd be against it due to his age and the fact we've missed the boat with him when he was clearly the premier league midfielder we should have gone for after we failed with Fabregas. Thats assuming there are better options out there that we could attract to the club. And there must be, somewhere, right?
In all the time I've been on the caf, I don't think I've seen anyone saying P.Cissé should have been signed.
I just don't think he's worth the potential outlay. We don't need more 'good' players, we need real top class or potential top class. It would be a complete sideways step and really wouldn't solve anything when we're still getting bossed by top clubs in midfield and are unable to bring in the right midfielders because we have too many average/good ones on our books.
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I'd be all for us signing him. The argument about him not being that good because of the team he plays for is one of the most ridiculous things I've heard here. He'd improve our midfield a lot - despite not being top bracket - but would also be a great fit for us also.
As he is a very well-rounded player he would excel in a midfield two. Given we are a side synonymous with wingplay and width down the years (even though our widemen haven't been performing), his accuracy and range of passing would suit our style down to the ground, not to mention he has a very sound defensive game which probably gets overlooked, because of his creative ability.
Not only that, we would finally have an alternative goal source instead of just our strikers. With that in mind, he'd add quality which isn't in question, but our midfield would be very well balanced with him alongside Carrick and he would suit our style of play, while adding goals.
I'd be all for us submitting a £20M in January.
As he is a very well-rounded player he would excel in a midfield two. Given we are a side synonymous with wingplay and width down the years (even though our widemen haven't been performing), his accuracy and range of passing would suit our style down to the ground, not to mention he has a very sound defensive game which probably gets overlooked, because of his creative ability.
Not only that, we would finally have an alternative goal source instead of just our strikers. With that in mind, he'd add quality which isn't in question, but our midfield would be very well balanced with him alongside Carrick and he would suit our style of play, while adding goals.
I'd be all for us submitting a £20M in January.
Aye, what you said in the first paragraph is ridiculous because half the Newcastle team have been muppet targets on here. Cabaye is flavour of the month once again. It's just funny how his thread doesn't get bumped when he's playing poor or Newcastle are getting rolled over every week.
£20 mill? No chance. We wouldn't go much higher than that for Herrera, who is better than Cabaye.
Herrera better than Cabaye? Based on what? Nationality?
He's what I hoped Tom Cleverley would become but realistically I'd want better to play in our best 11. But he'd definitely improve us at this moment in time. Is that enough to justify buying him? Not sure.
Dont see anyone saying he's "top class and we should have bought him". Couple of posts taking the piss and a few suggesting him as a 4th striker. Bit different than your above insinuation.
Fair enough, but I disagree.
We need to get rid of the deadwood i.e. Anderson, Fletcher (with regret) then we have Giggs who plays in central midfield from time to time, Carrick is getting on a bit and probably has two more top seasons in him. We need to replace these players, will Cabaye be an improvement? Yes, in my eyes.(excluding Carrick)
He would cost a fair bit, but he would have a big impact, and you have to pay for that.
I agree with you that we need to bring in at least one top class central midfielder, but we need more than one signing in a position that is by far our weakest area of the pitch.
He would add a lot to our squad, maybe he wouldn't start every week but that doesn't mean much in modern football, very few players do.
If your looking at him as a marquee signing then you may have a point, but from a squad perspective he would be a perfect fit in my eyes, he has bags of energy as well, something which we currently lack.
Only Cabaye and Ba at a push. I can't think of any more of their players that the caf lusted after fairly unanimously.
Not at all. Ive watched quite a bit of him - i just dont think he's a top drawer player....but he's a good player nonetheless. I dont think there is anything controversial in that?
There are better out there and i think our midfield is in a state where we need to go out and purchase some top quality. Gundogan would be the dream.
Basically... And he plays for a better team.... O wait.. Yeah we'll just stick to nationality.
It hardly corresponds to what you mentioned, not a lot of people wanted to sign Cisse.
He was one of the main reasons they did it. He looked a class act, like he has done most of this season for Newcastle. Has nailed a starting place down for France now.
I already thought he's someone we should be looking at and his big game performance yesterday convinced me further. He can play in a 2, he's a decent passer, can spot a through ball, he can shoot and he is a bit of a dirty cnut. I'd love him here and surely we could get him in January for £15m-£20m. I'd prefer him over Herrera, cheaper, can score, Prem proven and all that. The Arsenal boat has surely sailed for him now, there's no room for him there now. I get the feeling just because Barca, Real and Bayern wouldn't want him and the obsession with those clubs as a benchmark that people are assuming that we shouldn't be going for him either. He'd improve our midfield, isn't that what transfers are all about, improving the team?
I'd be happy if we signed him in January, he's a good player, would improve us certainly, and is probably at the top end if realistic CM signings that we can make in the window.
He'd be our best centre midfielder bar Carrick
But but but he's not good enough for us. We have to go out and buy someone exceptional because there are tons of exceptional players out there desperate to leave their clubs to sign for David Moyes' United.
In an earlier post I referred to a building process where top clubs have to occasionally dip in to their domestic market and pick up the very good talents from mid-table clubs whilst developing other players or holding out for the so called exceptional players. I think Cabaye would prove similar in success to an Arteta, Gustavo or Keita type player, but not necessarily a long-term solution.
The main problem we have is Sir Alex didn't engage in the rebuilding process (in regards to Scholes, Hargreaves and then Fletcher and Anderson with their fitness issues) in midfield so it's harder for people to grasp the concept of the fact that this could take a long long time to get right.
The positive is David Moyes earmarked midfield as his primary concern quite openly. So far his only solution hasn't made a mark and with Anderson's lack of action, Fletcher's ongoing health problems and the slow recovery amongst other concerns, it's plausible that he could dip in to the PL market yet again and I can't see a better solution as a stop-gap than Cabaye. If he can replicate his form from 11-12 in a better team, I'd class that as outstanding business providing he can sustain it for a few years.
All the criticism thrown at Cabaye are the same exact ones thrown at Carrick back now obviously there is no guarantee Cabaye would be as much as a success as Carrick has been but I don't understand this holier-than-thou attitude some of our fans have. Cabaye wouldn't be "good enough" and all, it screams delusion of grandeur to me.
I wouldn't mind him here. A better player than any of our cms bar Carrick, would fit into our team and is quite a professional and intelligent player from what I've heard. Also PL proven.
People are right to point out we need more than Cabaye though, we need to improve our midfield significantly rather than falling into the "better than what we have now" trap that was part of what convinced some that Fellaini would be a good buy.
Thing is, do we really just need one more midfielder? If we assume that Anderson leaves, Fletcher can't make it back to the level we need and Giggs retires, then we're left with Carrick, Fellaini, Cleverley, Jones. Hardly inspiring is it?
Looking at that, a top class player + Cabaye would hardly be overkill.
People are right to point out we need more than Cabaye though, we need to improve our midfield significantly rather than falling into the "better than what we have now" trap that was part of what convinced some that Fellaini would be a good buy.
Thing is, do we really just need one more midfielder? If we assume that Anderson leaves, Fletcher can't make it back to the level we need and Giggs retires, then we're left with Carrick, Fellaini, Cleverley, Jones. Hardly inspiring is it?
Looking at that, a top class player + Cabaye would hardly be overkill.
He's exactly the player we needed against Arsenal in the second half.
Never seen the fussed about him. Nothing about him particularly stands out.
Nothing wrong with wanting us to sign someone exceptional. We're due in midfield after all.
Not much of a compliment.
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