Yohan Cabaye

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Cina said:
I don't really care about games for any of those players except Carrick and Jones, and if Rio retires and as Vidic ages more, Jones will be played in CB more and more. If Cabaye makes our midfield better, who gives a feck if it prevents players like Cleverley and Anderson getting games?
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My care isn't that it would stop Cleverley or Anderson getting games. It's that we would then be getting Cabaye instead of someone else, as I can't see us buying 3 central midfielders in a year.

Obviously a choice of Cabaye in the Winter (particularly as he wouldn't be CL tied), with us still actively looking for the "Fabregas" type signing in the Summer would be most preferable.
 
He would have been a good fall back option when we failed with all our other targets in the summer. Would be a little annoying if end up with in Jan however. It would just compound how poor our transfer dealings are.
 
I would much rather have him than Fellaini, but we need some serious class, we can't just stockpiling average players like Liverpool did a few years back.
 
Mitch_93 said:
No, and one game doesn't make a player special. If he was so fecking good, he would have left Newcastle by now.
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Well keep quiet then! I'm sure if his price tag wasnt so unrealistic he would be.
 
Mitch_93 said:
No, and one game doesn't make a player special. If he was so fecking good, he would have left Newcastle by now.
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That's how it works isn't it? Every good player plays for a top club? And never play for a club below the elite. I mean, if fellaini was so good he would have left Everton years ago, likewise for Baines, for anyone really. He's Newcastle's best player and I fully expect him to move to a better club either in winter or next summer.
 
Mitch_93 said:
No, and one game doesn't make a player special. If he was so fecking good, he would have left Newcastle by now.
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No-one's saying he's another Fabregas or anything, just that he can add a bit of balance and control to the midfield of a big team - as he did yesterday. Carrick isn't "anything special" either, but he'd improve every team in the league. Plus it was confirmed Arsenal tried to bring him in this summer but Newcastle wouldn't let it happen.
 
I think he'd be a great buy, seems like a natural successor to Carrick for me, and I think Carrick is on the decline now (he's 32 and has had to play a monumental number of games for the last few years) so for me it'd make all sorts of sense to go for him.

I'm not sure why people are so obsessed with bringing in a superstar, I just want to improve and steady out midfield, which is quite weak.
 
He's not good enough to play here. He's tidy enough on his day but he's not someone that will run the game from our midfield. I've seen him a number of times for Newcastle where he has struggled even against the lower teams from the Premiership.

One minute it's Tiote that everyone wants, now Cabaye. People complain about the lack of top quality in our midfield but it'd be full of absolute dross if they had their way.
 
pocco said:
He's not good enough to play here. He's tidy enough on his day but he's not someone that will run the game from our midfield. I've seen him a number of times for Newcastle where he has struggled even against the lower teams from the Premiership.

One minute it's Tiote that everyone wants, now Cabaye. People complain about the lack of top quality in our midfield but it'd be full of absolute dross if they had their way.
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Newcastle struggle because of their style, or lack of it, and bad defenders/strikers. Cabaye has been immense for them this season. He would improve our midfield. He's a better player than each of our midfielders, bar maybe Carrick who looks to be declining slightly and injury prone.
 
Carrick is NOT in decline. However Cabaye is an excellent player and would be perfect to fit around Carrick and Cleverley plus he is positive in his play. Which is important if you are going to play here. Adding Cabaye in January would be an good piece of business.
 
Ok, for those that seem to rate him, would he close that gap between us and the top teams in Europe?

We've got enough middle of the road midfielders at the moment. In my opinion there's no point buying people like Cabaye if you'd still need to replace/improve on them to be able to compete with the best teams in Europe. Just sign the top player now that we would eventually still have to sign anyway.
 
pocco said:
Ok, for those that seem to rate him, would he close that gap between us and the top teams in Europe?

We've got enough middle of the road midfielders at the moment. In my opinion there's no point buying people like Cabaye if you'd still need to replace/improve on them to be able to compete with the best teams in Europe. Just sign the top player now that we would eventually still have to sign anyway.
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Hes twice the player that Anderson is so in answer to your question yes he would help close the gap.

Closing the gap with Barca and Bayern isnt the only reason to buy someone either.
 
If we wait for someone truly exceptional we could be waiting two or three years.
 
We've wanted someone exceptional since Keane left, and since then we have signed one midfielder who was a big success.
 
What is this criteria about someone being 'truly exceptional'? Why are people so sure that 'truly exceptional' talents want to come here? Fans and the media are so negative about the club so why would exceptional players look from outside and want to come in?

The shift in power is inevitable between the European leagues as to where the top players will play. It's a process which takes time and can often be spearheaded by players produced from within (which unfortunately looks unlikely in this country). But I think it's always good to have players like Cabaye moving to the top teams in the country they're playing in. Look at how Gustavo was a go to guy for Munich prior to last season, he was part of the process. Keita at Barcelona, another go to guy when they needed someone to offer something a little bit different. They weren't exceptional talents but they were part of the process.
 
ISSYNAZAR said:
What is this criteria about someone being 'truly exceptional'? Why are people so sure that 'truly exceptional' talents want to come here? Fans and the media are so negative about the club so why would exceptional players look from outside and want to come in?

The shift in power is inevitable between the European leagues as to where the top players will play. It's a process which takes time and can often be spearheaded by players produced from within (which unfortunately looks unlikely in this country). But I think it's always good to have players like Cabaye moving to the top teams in the country they're playing in. Look at how Gustavo was a go to guy for Munich prior to last season, he was part of the process. Keita at Barcelona, another go to guy when they needed someone to offer something a little bit different. They weren't exceptional talents but they were part of the process.
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Basically every other year we win shit thats why. People can write what they want. I agree with your last point though.
 
pocco said:
He's not good enough to play here. He's tidy enough on his day but he's not someone that will run the game from our midfield. I've seen him a number of times for Newcastle where he has struggled even against the lower teams from the Premiership.

One minute it's Tiote that everyone wants, now Cabaye. People complain about the lack of top quality in our midfield but it'd be full of absolute dross if they had their way.
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People were talking about Cabaye going to a CL team since his Lille days, though.
 
pocco said:
He's not good enough to play here. He's tidy enough on his day but he's not someone that will run the game from our midfield. I've seen him a number of times for Newcastle where he has struggled even against the lower teams from the Premiership.

One minute it's Tiote that everyone wants, now Cabaye. People complain about the lack of top quality in our midfield but it'd be full of absolute dross if they had their way.
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Yeah because it's not full of dross at the moment.
 
I would take Cabaye in the January window if we could sign him for about £15m. Only as an Anderson replacement though. We would obviously then have to sign a top quality midfielder in the summer window. Koke, Witsel or possibly Khedira in the summer?
After all he's a regular in the French national team and I think he's quality for France. I think he's a very good player better than all our midfielders except for Carrick but he isn't top quality. He'd help close the gap a bit and give us something different in the middle.

If we want to sign a midfielder in January I'm not sure who else is good enough and realistic enough. Possibly Rakitic or Cabaye?
 
He's definitely not top quality and therefore id question whether we should buy him - he's just another decent player. We need top quality, and i think Moyes gets that.

If we are looking at another "good" player, id rather Dembele.
 
LonelyFire said:
He's definitely not top quality and therefore id question whether we should buy him - he's just another decent player. We need top quality, and i think Moyes gets that.

If we are looking at another "good" player, id rather Dembele.
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Dembele over Cabaye?

C'mon!
 
You're absolutely kidding yourself if you think he isn't good enough. So he doesn't dominate the midfield every week with Newcastle? What kind of shit argument is that? With Newcastle's management and generally bad quality of player, he's hardly going to be putting in a masterclass every week.

You can see he's a very good player standing out in an average side. If the strikers in front can't score and the defenders behind can't defend it doesn't mean Cabaye is an average player.

As Ekeke said, Arsenal made a move for him this summer and everyone on here seems to be ******* at their road to success that hasn't even happened yet, so it suggests something. Arsene Wenger can usually spot a half decent midfielder!

Look at what he did with Arteta. He's probably been Wenger's best signing (in terms of consistency) during the drought.
 
LonelyFire said:
He's definitely not top quality and therefore id question whether we should buy him - he's just another decent player. We need top quality, and i think Moyes gets that.

If we are looking at another "good" player, id rather Dembele.
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He's got more quality than Dembele. Plus its not unthinkable for players to improve. Deco made the step up.
 
I'd love us to get him and i think he would really improve us. Even at £20 million we should try for him.
 
ISSYNAZAR said:
You're absolutely kidding yourself if you think he isn't good enough. So he doesn't dominate the midfield every week with Newcastle? What kind of shit argument is that? With Newcastle's management and generally bad quality of player, he's hardly going to be putting in a masterclass every week.

You can see he's a very good player standing out in an average side. If the strikers in front can't score and the defenders behind can't defend it doesn't mean Cabaye is an average player.

As Ekeke said, Arsenal made a move for him this summer and everyone on here seems to be ******* at their road to success that hasn't even happened yet, so it suggests something. Arsene Wenger can usually spot a half decent midfielder!

Look at what he did with Arteta. He's probably been Wenger's best signing (in terms of consistency) during the drought.
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Carrick never used to dominate midfield before signing for Utd and look how he's turned out to be, a great fecking signing. So yeah I definitely agree with you, a player doesn't need to "dominate" midfield like some mythical Roy Kean impersonator for him to be a success at OT. To play with the likes of Tiote, Perch, Sissoko, basically clueless players week in week out must not be easy either.
 
kouroux said:
Carrick never used to dominate midfield before signing for Utd and look how he's turned out to be, a great fecking signing. So yeah I definitely agree with you, a player doesn't need to "dominate" midfield like some mythical Roy Kean impersonator for him to be a success at OT. To play with the likes of Tiote, Perch, Sissoko, basically clueless players week in week out must not be easy either.
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This. He sticks out like a sore thumb in that side, imagine how good he will be here. With RvP on the end of his passes, Carrick freeing up space for him etc.
 
LonelyFire said:
He's definitely not top quality and therefore id question whether we should buy him - he's just another decent player. We need top quality, and i think Moyes gets that.

If we are looking at another "good" player, id rather Dembele.
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I had to google Dembele in case there was another one that I didn't know about, but it looks like you're talking about the one who can't get into the Tottenham team at the moment.

He is a good player, but that's the level he's at, I'd imagine he will be at Villa or out of the PL come January or the Summer. I think you're remembering Dembele from a couple of seasons ago when he seemed like he was going to be a real talent but he doesn't seemed to have pushed on from then IMO, I could be wrong though.

I'm in the Cabaye would be a good signing camp, but only at a decent price. He would add to the squad, that's a thing a lot of people tend to forget, we need a squad, players who would be happy playing for a massive club but not playing every week, but can make an impact when they do play. I think he fits that mould quite well.
 
2 Man Midfield said:
This. He sticks out like a sore thumb in that side, imagine how good he will be here. With RvP on the end of his passes, Carrick freeing up space for him etc.
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I didn't even mention Shola Ameobi and Papiss Cissé who aren't top top players to say the least. He's looked a much better player each time he's played for France and it is no wonder as he is surrounded by better quality.
 
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