hahaha good point!
Yevhen Konoplyanka
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) and Imran (@Annihilate Now!) are here to discuss Amad saving our blushes in a win against Southampton as well as our now annual loss at home to Brighton. They discuss Amorim's post-match comments, revisit how mid-table we may or may not be, and discuss some transfer news.
He looks pretty quick judging from that video.
What's wrong with 25? He's hardly what you'd call ancient
I never said he was old. 25 is a very good age, all my point is that at that age I would hope he makes a pretty instant impact, not regarded as one who may need a few years.
What's your point? I thought he was a younger and so pointed out that this ain't some kid who will need several years to start making an impact.
I've said I can't get excited because I've hardly seen him play. The days where I got excited by signing players I didn't know much about have gone. I'm sure he'd be better than our current wingers but that doesn't make me excited.
Anybody who can outsprint Kyle Walker from a stand start you know is rapid!
We may have to have Ashley Young help with his diving technique. Otherwise Suarez will win the gold again.
some would have you believe that Welbeck is the reincarnation of Heskey
I like this news.
Good player from what I've seen, rapid too, and an improvement on all our wide options bar Januzaj (maybe) all without breaking the bank, get it done.
Good player from what I've seen, rapid too, and an improvement on all our wide options bar Januzaj (maybe) all without breaking the bank, get it done.
If he is just half as good as the game, we'd buy a world beater
OT: Just how good was the remaster? Loved it.
Oh yeah! Plus his ball control, even at speed, looks pretty solid. Ignoring the usual traps of a Best Of video and just focusing on his ball skills, vision and technique - Yep, I'd be happy if he is on our list of targets. Already looks like a very solid player. Strength is an issue according to that video - does anyone know if this is true?
13 goals, 8 assists in 36 games for his club this season including 4 goals (2 of those vs Spurs and away at Fiorentina) and 3 assists in 8 Europa League games. Not too shabby but then again Ukrainian Premier Liga isn't the strongest of leagues.
Well the chant sorts itself out. Yev-gen kono-ply-anka to 'the referee's a w***ker' works pretty well. Get it done.
Has a €15m release clause apparently and we've scouted him as recent as Sunday. He'd be a steal at the price, hope we land him.
This guy is Arshavin 2.0, fantastic display for Rusia in Euro 2008, than transfer to Arsenal for £15m, never showed anything good there and now fecked back of to Zenit where he shows some good things in the Russian league. Insert Euro 2012, Yehven instead of Arshavin, United instead of Arsenal and Dnipro instead of Zenit and bang same story.
I do not want him, he is not a talent anymore, he is at his best now at 25 and when you look at his stats not a worldbeater and that is in the Ukraine competition...Overhyped, his Youtube video primarily based on his one good match versus England, this is no step up from Young or Valencia etc, they also have these type of vids and had these type of hypes and transferprices around their neck. No thank you , rather we spend a bit more and go after a real top winger or invest in a younger player who is already on the same level but has the potential to still become a worldclass winger (Depay would be excellent in that respect, 20 not 25)
best we stay as far away from this one as possible !
I do not want him, he is not a talent anymore, he is at his best now at 25 and when you look at his stats not a worldbeater and that is in the Ukraine competition...Overhyped, his Youtube video primarily based on his one good match versus England, this is no step up from Young or Valencia etc, they also have these type of vids and had these type of hypes and transferprices around their neck. No thank you , rather we spend a bit more and go after a real top winger or invest in a younger player who is already on the same level but has the potential to still become a worldclass winger (Depay would be excellent in that respect, 20 not 25)
best we stay as far away from this one as possible !
Arshavin never showed anything at Arsenal? He scored 4 goals against Liverpool. He scored the winner against Barcelona at their peak. He was just shunted outside when he belonged inside and then got lazy in the later years.
He was brilliant in his first season much like Vermaelen and then they both just faded away.
Arshavin isn't a bad player but he isn't a worldbeater either, expectations for him were alot higher than what he managed to accomplish, I'd say he failed and I'd say knowing what they know now, Arsenal would never have gone after Arshavin.
Yeheven will prove to be similar, he'll have some ok performances, but he'll never become a worldclass winger, he has mediocre written all over him, he reeks of failure. Young was a far more exciting and safer player when we got him, that turned sour pretty quickly, also a player Liverpool were focussing on (together with Downing), please stay away from such mediocre players, we have more than enough of them to keep our bench warm !
He is not that good. Could be only a squad player here at best, and i am not to sure, he will be better than Valencia, Young. Although he could be cheaper, so there is some logic in acquiring him. But i don't really believe we are interested in him.
Depay 12 goals and 8 assists in the dutch Competition at PSV (a team that even had a more horrible season than us, not functioning at all). He is dutch, highly rated by LVG (they will work brilliantly together, communction with RVP and other players will also be beter, he already speaks english whereas with yeheven I seriously doubt that and communiction could be a problem). A player, that excelled this year in a team where it was very difficult to excell in (with beter players around him and a beter coach he could make serious progress). Most importantly he is 20 years old, hasn't reached his top yet, 5 years left of development time (compared to Yehven) this guy I think it is fair to say has the looking of a potential wordclass winger like Robben. A little bit of patience and alot of good guidance and opportunities and he could develop into a fantastic player, couldn't think of a beter coach than LVG to accomplish it aswell.
Rather we spend that £15m on bringing in Depay than on waisting it on a mediocre player that is destined for failure like Yeheven, let him go to Liverpool and let him fail right there, build a wordlcass player ourselves with Depay and together with Januzaj watch us having 2 worldbeaters on the flanks within a couple of years.
And how many games with him have you seen exactly?
He's comfortably better than those two.
Quite a lot, hence why I'm saying he's comfortably better than them.
He's comfortably better than those two.
Why ?, no doubt Valencia and Young would have far better stats at Dnipro than they have here... I've seen the hype of Young and Valencia when they were performing like this guy at Villa and Wigan (hell they even had their moments here at United in their first seasons) and they have similar youtube vids making them look worldclass wingers.
He is fast, he can score a nice goal from outside the box, he has a dribble and he is 25 and still stuck in the Ukraine competition at Dnipro and Liverpool wants him, sorry nothing at all about this player screams out that he is a must sign player for us, nothing. lots of signs however that he falls into the same category as mediocre players that have usually failed when they got their transfer to a top club. really I'd rather we sign nobody and play Lingard than waste our effort on Yehven, really DO NOT WANT !
Majestic.
Give me a ballpark.
Cause i've actually seen him play, and not on TV, and not in 3-4 national team's games and 2-3 europa league games. And no, he is nowhere near comfortably better, especially if you consider Young's season fro Villa before his transfer here. But even if we are talking about current state of our wingers, i have a serious doubt he would be significant improvement.
Ahh, so you watch a lot of the Ukranian league do you?
It's amazing that so many are ready to believe this rumour simply because he is of a lower standard than some of the other players we have been linked to, this one likely only got any traction due to Livepool initially being linked.
This is the quality our squad players should have. Konoplyanka is not better than some of our first team options upfront, considering we have Kagawa, Mata, Januzaj, Rooney, Robin. Nevertheless, he is better than Young, Valencia and more consistent (and younger) than Nani.
And he's going to get better and place some competition. This is a signing that would please me.
And he's going to get better and place some competition. This is a signing that would please me.
We're talking now, not 3 years ago. Young was overrated at Villa, albeit better than he has been for us, comparing Konoplyanka currently to Young in his Villa days is stupid.
He can play all across the front three but he's most comfortable on the left, not too dissimilar to Salah in the way they play, although he has more to his game than Salah does and he's better technically. Can dribble past players at pace, something we haven't had in a winger for god knows how long and something which none of our players seem capable of doing recently. The only thing you can really criticise him on is his defensive work rate as he isn't one to track back at all and you wouldn't expect him to be seen helping out his full back whenever he needs it but it's hardly something that would be key about him considering he wouldn't be signed to defend.
He's destined to move this summer, started out slow at Dnipro but since he's been consistently in the side clubs have been watching him for years & he's too good to stay there any longer.
He reminds me of pre-United Young a lot, actually (which is not an insult comparison). He is better than Valencia and Young right now but I still don't want him
You're underrating Young in his Villa days. It is understandable, after all that he showed here, but still not right. He definitely deserves to be compared with Konoplyanka
Nah I didn't mean ability wise it's stupid comparing them, just that we haven't seen that from Young since then so you can't exactly account for it when comparing them currently as Young's never gonna regain that form & he's just simply not as good now.
He is 25, if he is now similar to Salah and people are seriously discussing about him being beter or not than Young at Villa than I would say he is not the type of player we should be looking at. if he is the type of player we should be going after than at 25 I would expect a fullgrown worldclass player and such a player would probably not still be in Ukraine at 25 and if he where he would be setting the place on fire with 15 or 20+ goals and assists because it is in fact a shit competition with lots of shit teams. It is his first season that he managed a decent return (13 goals, 8 asists), sorry not very convincing. Nice player for a midtable team, altough we are midtable atm, I'd like to think we are still beter than that and can be more ambitious (should be more ambitious in fact)
Wouldn't be surprised if Dnipro have leaked this story to force Liverpool's hand.
Was on about in terms of playing style not ability.
He seems to be a very unselfish player who prefers to set others up to score. Like you said, the league isn't that good; so it's entirely possible that the reason his assists are so low is because the players he passes to can't hit the target.
Interesting. Because I only saw him in the Euros and thought he was fantastic.
If Liverpool do sign him I'll be re-reading your post to ease my pain. If United sign him, will you do us a favour and delete this post?
We dropped our interest according to the Times and the Echo.
No, it stupid not to compare that. Because Konoplyanka has never played for a club of United's stature and in a top league for that matter. He is younger, so if you want to compare him, comparing him with Young before United is actually a smart thing.
Once again how many games have you actually watched? I expect not more than 5-7.
Your analysis of his game is only good enough for wikipedia really. It's so obviously primitive and generalized. "The only thing you can really criticise him on is his defensive work rate" - that shows you don't know a player at all. Ask any Dnipro fans what is the most frustrating things about Konoplyanka is and most of them will not tell you that it's his defensive work. His main shortcoming is his tactical naivety. And his determination to dribble his way through no matter what. Of course youtube will show you his great technical skills and dribbling, and that's true enough, his is very good with his feet. But what it would not show you is the amount of times he concedes possession and looses the ball. It's rather high. The second thing is he tends to drift out of games, even in games when he assists a goal, and many of those are from free kicks, mind you, it's sometimes like one of only 3-4 good things he has done in the match.
There are also serious reservations about him being able to adapt to PL style, which way more physical and stamina demanding than the one he is used to. He is by far much more suited for spanish league for example. His dribbling is good, but he is lacking strength, thre is also some serious questions about his stamina and whether he can sustain high tempo in a Premier League. And it's not something that is coming from me actually, when Konoplyanka was Liverpool-bound there was a big discussion in Ukraine, and many pundits pointed out to these things.
He well maybe a good signing for us, who knows, but the reality is, he is not that good to be well above our wingers.
No. Maybe his agent did that, but marks my works, it's not how Dnipro operates.
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