Even before his transfer here!
And all that after saying that he would rather stay than go to MU and even confessing although half-jokingly that he always has been supporting Liverpool.Oh, the power of youtube.
Yevhen Konoplyanka
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) and Imran (@Annihilate Now!) are here to discuss Amad saving our blushes in a win against Southampton as well as our now annual loss at home to Brighton. They discuss Amorim's post-match comments, revisit how mid-table we may or may not be, and discuss some transfer news.
And all that after saying that he would rather stay than go to MU and even confessing although half-jokingly that he always has been supporting Liverpool.Oh, the power of youtube.
I've given you an opinion and broken Konoplyanka's game down as regards to his suitability as a starting winger for us. The ignorance shown by certain members due to him playing in Ukraine and using other players who failed here from Ukraine and Russia is a pathetic argument when most have not even seen him play. We do not have a winger with his ability at the club who has explosive speed and can attack the full back cutting in or beating him on the outside. Nani does have the talent but seems to have lost the confidence he once had.
I was hoping you were going to tell me why Shevchenko failed instead of giving me 3 guesses.
Just had dinner with my old man, and he told me that we're in for this lad (whose name i can not pronounce). He reckons we will get him this week, perhaps as soon as tomorrow. I won't reply on this thread anymore, because there's not more I know.
Is your dad Ed Woodward?
What's up with all these promoted newbies pretending to be ITKs?
Tis' the season. I guess there were a lot of this kind that used to not make it past the newbs so easily.
Is Konoplyanka good enough for United?
Surely he's an upgrade on Valencia and Young?
Schoooooooool's out for summer.
Yeah but I think we should be looking at Reus or Sanchez but I do know that they would be difficult to sign.
He's better than all the wingers we have on our books
Any upgrade is worth pursuing. We had the same issue with our midfield, some fans turning up their noses to Cabaye, and look at the state of our midfield!
Yeah and he does look decent but one problem I have is that he hasn't been tested in a higher league and he is already 24.
Good point.
He should've moved after after Euro 2012 but he stayed loyal to his boy-hood club, and I feel he needs to move to a bigger team or he will stagnate at Dinipro. He has all the attributes required to be a fantastic winger for us and working with Van Gaal will hopefully take him to the next level.
He could be a good signing and for a relatively small fee.
Would be a steal
If we are interested then this should be quite straightforward...surprised we haven't moved already if he's in our plans.
Posters on here have to realize the fanboy mentality on the caf. If player B is being linked because fan favourite superstar player A hasnt or may not join then said player B is automatically not good enough for United.
He's looked good whenever I've seen him and is certainly an upgrade on our current crop of wingers, not to mention that £15 million is an absolute bargain in today's market. Get it done Woody!!
Youtube, but even those highlights weren't even special lol.
You can always ask your old man (I presume to be Ed Woodward), to give you more info.Anyway, not seen much of this lad. Not sure if he is a potential flop or gem in the making.
Wow.
What's his potential transfer value?
Apparently his buy out clause is 12M.
He was as mediocre as they come when he was on the verge of signing for the scousers in January. Reading some of the posts in this thread, it appears he has made a giant leap since. Keep the good work, Yevhen.
i can't wait till hearing David pleat pronounce his name
Even before his transfer here!
Oh, the power of youtube.
Don't forget that you are @Adnan equivalent but for Cabella.
I'm now not so certain about Konoplyanka. Mephis Depay maybe is a better option. One thing is for certain, united need improvement in the wide positions.
Has anyone actually seen much of this guy? Hard to get a true idea on his game when he plays in a league in Ukraine.
Am I? I made just one post, that he could be a good alternative to strengthen our attack. And i think he won't be worse than Konoplaynka, that for sure and given he comes from Montpelier it will be very easy to secure him for a small fee and on a small salary. That's not exactly "raving". I was saying the same things about many players, like Khedira for example, and so on.
The difference is i don't think we need to sign or that we must. I think it could worth a punt is all.
Okay, since you clearly don't understand basics. Kanchelskis came to United at 22 and by the time he was 30-31 he was pretty much done and could not continue to play in PL. Shevchenko went to Chelsea when he was 30, after spending like 7-8 years in Milan, so it's no wonder he could not handle the PL intensity.
Some players can play into their 30, but you have to be very fit for that. Neither Shevchenko, nor Kanchelskis weren't the fittest players, they were miles better than the likes Arshavin that failed miserably, but they still come short when compared to say Drogba or Lampard.
Yeah, based on youtube cuts, never actually seeing the guy play and decent number of games. As i've said you are missing that he is very inconsistent and sometimes drifts off in game, it could be easily seen in Kiev's match with England, he posed no threat whatsoever then.
That's actually you who are being ignorant and very immature at that. You know nothing about football in Ukraine, you don't realize the magnitude of the task at hand. You don't know that ukranian clubs are playing until late november or early december at most, then hey go for a 3 month off-season rest/training to to play again only in march. And they also have a month of mid-season in summer, usually in July. So the regime that Konoplyanka is used to is very different, it is completely different to any other top league. And move to Spain, Germany, Italy would be a real test of his general fitness, stamina, ability to get used to much more tougher and demanding regime. And that's Spain, Italy. As we know England is hardest of them all in that respect, without winter break at all, with much more pace in the games, where much more work rate and running needed.
So it's all raise a legitimate concerns, whether he can actually make it here. Especially in the top club like Manchester United. And you are being extremely ignorant by simply brushing them of as insignificant.
Kanchelskis' problems weren't anything to do with his fitness when he was over here. He had a gambling problem and owed money to a mob which the club helped with him on occasions but finally gave up when the problem persisted. Joe Royle was quoted in the Independent newpaper after Everton signed him by saying "I thought Andre's fitness was amazing considering he hadn't played a single game in pre-season." He lost some of his electric pace in his latter years, but to say he had fitness issues due to where he came from is laughable.
Shevchenko was signed by Chelsea when he was 30. He was a player that had peaked, and if reports are to be believed, Mourinho never wanted him and it was a decision Abramovich made due to Shevchenko being one of his favourite players. Shevchenko himself blamed Mourinho for his poor showing at Chelsea. http://www.goal.com/en/news/10/italy/2009/10/08/1548576/my-flop-at-chelsea-is-jose-mourinhos-fault-andriy-Shevchenko
I've never evaluated a player from Youtube clips, so please stop saying I do because you don't know me. In this day and age anyone can watch most leagues around the world with a good internet connection. I watched a lot of the Argentine league aswel this season, and could watch the Nigerian league if I choose to.
I 've gone over why I believe Konoplyanka would be a success here and I stick by that statement. Nobody knows how he will settle into life in England, but you can say that about all foreign players. But looking at the attributes Konoplyanka does possess, which include fantastic acceleration, outstanding dribbling and good technical ability. It's easy to see why Rodgers and Van Gaal would think he has the ability to play at the highest level in the EPL.
It's funny you say that about internet connection and all. So how many exactly games with Konoplyanka have you actually watched?
That's why i've said you've been youtube-scouting him. You could have watched his games in Ukraine(it's easy if you have sopcast), but i know that you did not. Your assessment of his skills is based at just maybe 4 matches in last two years and as i suspect a lot of youtube clips.
And again you missing the point, it's not about "settling into life in England", it's about other, strictly sport-related things. Like a training regime, and until you won't understand it, you will remain ignorant to the facts and real risks about bringing him here. It does not mean these risks will prevail and "realize" so to speak, but you just being dismissive about them is the point. While Konoplyanka have a good potential, many other players do as well. And Konoplyanka could certainly not be held in as high esteem as you advocate here.
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There is a fairly simple question: How many players from a (very) weak league were able to perform for a top club? (especially in their first year)
Its common sense, that the odds would be stacked against him. If he would be a "world-beater" he would already player in a better league for a decent club.
Its common sense, that the odds would be stacked against him. If he would be a "world-beater" he would already player in a better league for a decent club.
I must say I jumped off the Konoplyanka bandwagon. Could get somebody like Memphis Depay for a similar price, and he's already intune with Van Gaal and his methods.
I'm switching sides here a little, but that is also not quite true. As i've explained before there is a catch. If we talk about belgium, holland or croatia players it's accurate, because they move very early to earn better money. I am sure that Depay is on something like 10-15k a week maybe, so even if United will offer him 30k it will be a huge rise. Players in Ukraine and Russia are paid quite well, esp if you consider taxation and costs of living. Basically to even just sustain his level of salary MU will need to pay Konoplyanka 60k per week at least. So it is much harder to get top talent from Ukraine and especially Russia.
So how many players from a league, like the Ukrain premier league, made it at a top club in the last 25 years? I am not talking about talents <20 and I am not talking about joining a smaller club. Its barely happening at all for obvious reasons.
The argument in this thread is tedious as feck. Well done lads.
Hernandez is as good an example as any.