All the players who came from Eredivisie, Liga Sagres or even the Brasileiro.
Kharkiv, Dnipro, Dinamo and Shakhtar are decent team in europe.
Edit: And french teams can't beat Ukrainian teams in europe.
Yevhen Konoplyanka
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All the players who came from Eredivisie, Liga Sagres or even the Brasileiro.
Kharkiv, Dnipro, Dinamo and Shakhtar are decent team in europe.
Edit: And french teams can't beat Ukrainian teams in europe.
We shouldn't sign any players from weaker leagues because they mightn't make the step up eh
No schmikes, no ole, no Johnson, no Hernandez to name a few
What a bollox argument
No schmikes, no ole, no Johnson, no Hernandez to name a few
What a bollox argument
Willian went to Chelsea from Shaktar. He doesn't exactly look out of place!
Isn't he the same age
Isn't he the same age
Willian is Brazilian (and Yaya who played in Ukraine is from Cote d'Ivoire). Players like Arshavin, Rebrov, Bilyadinov all failed in the PL.
if you guys dont see the difference, I cant help you. I bet that the United wont buy him and if they buy him, he wont be a starter.
Doniezk was able to buy top class talents and won the league 5 times in a row. So Willian is a complete different case; he was already decent when he joined them.
Hernandez is exactly the perfect example. He did better than most people expected and still he was never a starter. Not even close. He is a great squad player.
Doniezk was able to buy top class talents and won the league 5 times in a row. So Willian is a complete different case; he was already decent when he joined them.
Hernandez is exactly the perfect example. He did better than most people expected and still he was never a starter. Not even close. He is a great squad player.
Vidic and Ivanovic
Wtf is it with people who think these other leagues arent up to scratch. Would you include the Brazilian league as a weak league?
A decent winger for 12m , even if he is not a starter that's good business.
For the names you're asking Fernandinho, Sneijder, Huntelaar, Cristiano Ronaldo, etc...
For the names you're asking Fernandinho, Sneijder, Huntelaar, Cristiano Ronaldo, etc...
Don't think it's really to do with that, posters are just looking for an excuse, Konoplyanka's not a fashionable name and we aren't paying 50 million big one's for him, therefore Caf reasoning concludes, he must be shite.
How many Portuguese did well in the EPL before Ronaldo signed up?
Its a stupid excuse. I know most on here can't help themselves when we are targeting someone who isnt a spanish midget or german pass master.
Oh man! Rebrov, those were the days. What a flop.
Thats like saying how many lions did well living in scotland.
To not even give him a chance due to his current league is pretty fecking shocking.
Hernandez came from the fecking Mexican league. What do you guys make of that?
Hernandez came from the fecking Mexican league. What do you guys make of that?
And yet, there was more Portuguese players in the EPL then friggin Ukranians/Russian. Hence why this argument is pretty silly
I've watched 20-25 games in which he has played since Euro 2012. I watched him play against Shakhtar in March and that was the last time I watched him in action in the Ukrainian League.
I'm a personal trainer who has more than 10 years experience in Sports related things. I have designed training regimes for people from different back grounds. If there is one thing I'm an expert in, it's fitness. I can prove that if push comes to shove. Please don't make assumptions about me, it makes you sound ignorant.
What make you an expert on Konoplyanka and the risk of the intensity of the EPL being a handicap for him?
Players from certain leagues become fashionable. Look at all the talent Benfica and Porto export every transfer window.
You're talking about Yaya Touré ? If yes, he played in Greece.
Edit: You're right he did the double combo Greece-Ukraine.
I dont get the whole argument to be fair. From what Ive seen of this guy he looks better than what we have in the wings apart from an inform Nani
Its impossible to know how good or bad he could be unless we take a punt. To me 12 million is cheap (relatively speaking of course) to the extent that it could have a major payoff or worse case scenario would result in a small loss.
Its all well and good to say he is playing weaker teams, the pace of the game is slower etc BUT also consider he would be playing with better players, under more astute coaches with better fitness regimes.
No one could have predicted how the likes of Vidic and Hernandez would turn out after being signed by lesser leagues, on the flip side you have players like Arshavin, Zhirkov etc who relatively flopped.
Obviously I'm not in a position to judge him as a player but if Van Gaal deems him to have sufficient potential then obviously I need to stick with an experts viewpoint
Its all well and good to say he is playing weaker teams, the pace of the game is slower etc BUT also consider he would be playing with better players, under more astute coaches with better fitness regimes.
No one could have predicted how the likes of Vidic and Hernandez would turn out after being signed by lesser leagues, on the flip side you have players like Arshavin, Zhirkov etc who relatively flopped.
Obviously I'm not in a position to judge him as a player but if Van Gaal deems him to have sufficient potential then obviously I need to stick with an experts viewpoint
My point exactly. Mind some players from certain countries tend to settle better in certain leagues (ex EPL) then others (ex Dutch vs Brazilian). However at the end of the day its all a matter of talent, luck and commitment.
He was easily the best player on the pitch when they played Spurs in the Europa League second leg, that's the only time I've seen him play.
That's the most important thing in Konoplyanka case. How is his work ethic in training because he has some talent but he need to improve if he wants to be success.
Is he gonna be able, to be a consistent performer and add some tools to his game ?
No one knows that. However 12m is a steal. No wonder why he attracted interest from clubs like ours and liverpool
I'm always f ucking right, You will appreciate this after being on the caf for a while.
It's not that, how about a fact that he has played football only 7-8 months a year for all of his career? Surely premier league calendar is much more intense than that.
Right...
Okay, I remember the game very well. And how was he in that match? How did he played? Where did he play positionally. Tell me about a game, was Dnipro playing better than the opponents? How was the game, was it open, with a lot of chances or closed? How the game progressed. Tell me some facts about the match.
It doesn't matter what league he comes from, what matters is whether or not he's good enough. In the case of Konoplyanka, I have no bloody idea.
That game vs England at Wembley he was easily the best player on the pitch. Not difficult vs England but still. It's also natural for us to down play a player who is linked with the dippers ability, only to then say he's the best thing since sliced bread when about to sign for us 
So what? He'll improve his fitness levels at a club who will focus on getting him in peak physical condition. You can't just rule out ever signing a player from a certain league because they have a winter break and we don't.
It took me a week to realise he wasn't Kongogbia.
You're taking this to very petty levels. If he says he's watched him, why can't you just accept that and agree to disagree with him on the players abilities? Questioning whether he's lying or not with rewards to how much he's seen of him is a bit of a shit way to try and "win" on the internetz.
You've made that name up.
Kondogbia, excuse me.
Yes I remember the game well, it was only afew months back.
I thought it was an intense game with alot riding on it. A Dinipro win would put them within touching distance of Shakhtar. The early stages were quite cagey and the first shot on goal came in the 8th minute, a deflected effort by Texeira that went straight into the arms of the Dinipro Goalkeeper Boyko. Shakhtar were showing more endeavour in the attacking third but Dinipro were a threat on the counter through out. Shakhtar keeper Peytov(SP) made his first save around the 15th minute mark when a cross from Strinic was headed towards goal from about 10 yards from Selezynov. Shakhtar were definitely carrying more threat and Costa forced a good save from Boyko around the midway point in the first-half. But for all the attacking threat Shakhtar carried, Dinipro were resolute in defense and against the run of play, on the stroke of half-time, Dinipro score. Rotan delivers a freekick from the left which Fedestky(sp) heads into the net.
Shakhtar bring on Ilsinho to replace Fernando for the second half and continue to show more endeavour in trying to get back on level terms. Bernard is also replaced by Taison early in the second half. Rakitskiy tests Boyko from distance as Shakhtar cramp up the pressure on Dinipro but the shot is parried by the Dinipro GoalKeeper. The pressure is maintained throughout the second half but the defence repels everything Shakhtar throws at them. With about 6 minutes remaining and gaps starting to appear in the Shakhtar defence, Mateus makes it 2-0 from a assist by Strinic if I'm not mistaken.
The game finishes 2-0 to Dinipro, they defeat Shakhtar in their own back-yard something no English team has accomplished to date.
Konoplyanka didn't have a sparkling game but did what was required for the team to succeed. He put in a shift for his team and manager Juande Ramos. I personally felt the Shakhtar defenders were trying to intimidate him physically, especially Srna who was booked in the game for one of many fouls on Konoplyanka. But to Konoplyanka's credit he carried on playing his game and was not phased at all. He could've quite easily had an assist in the game but his left wing cross was not converted. He was subbed off with afew minutes remaining, but he showed in a tough game away to Shakhtar that he most definitely has the right mentality in big games.
Well, of course you would say that. As i remember from Ed's thread, that is your penchant of sorts. But the thing is, what he is telling does not make any sense, he describes the player like he seen him on youtube only mostly, completely sugarcoating and overselling it, which is actually fine. As long as it is what it is, overselling a player you are not exactly seen much. And their's differences of opinions, that why i did not exactly argued about all this world-class dribbling, great pace stuff. I just pointed out his shortcomings some time ago and left it that, concentrating on the real risks here.
But if he says he actually watches Ukraine's league, well then we do have something to argue and discuss about.
Maybe and maybe not. I am not like these raving fans, that consider "player A" and a top world class prospect we have to get or the others, that consider "player B" a nothing player and so on. f you'd take a time to read the thread or if you remember it, i've made "anti"-Konoplyanka points, but also a pro-Konoplaynka points as well. Because i essentially not for or against this exact transfer. There are players i want to join United, and there are players that i would want to do it. But Evgeniy is not in either of this categories, so i just stick to actually explaining and pointing out things about him that are not exactly obvious or well-known. Something that is not really said in english papers, but something that has been actually discussed pretty much in detail in Ukraine.
Could Konoplyanka be a success at United? Yes potentially he can. Many players can, Depay, Clasie, Indi, who knows. But the fact is there are certain risks involved here, and just point them out.
Sounds like exactly the way youtube description of match would sound, with some key details, like Shakhtar team playing with 10 men (and some others), omitted. I've just watched the clip, the first one i could find, and all the described moments were in it although some of them were completely insignificant like a Rakitsky's shot. And other more important stuff was missing.
But okay, still that match showed exactly what i was talking about, Konoplyanka was diligent in defense but lost a lot balls going forward with unnecessary dribbling and he also drifted out of game for some period, being completely anonymous while their other flank player was more consistent. It's funny you mentioned he was not fazed by Shaktar's and most notably Srna tough approach, as he got a booking for a clear retaliation on Srna which to be fair Srna deserved. But still, when someone watches his matches, he knows Konoplyanka often gets these sort of cautions for these little tags, tackles that do look suspiciously close to a simple retaliation. But anyway, so as you seen so many of his games, what are your take on that:
His main shortcoming is his tactical naivety. And his determination to dribble his way through no matter what. He is very good with his feet, but the amount of times he concedes possession and looses the ball is high. The second thing is he tends to drift out of games, even in games when he assists a goal, and many of those are from free kicks, mind you, it's sometimes like one of only 3-4 good things he has done in the match. There are also serious reservations about him being able to adapt to PL style, he is more suited for spanish league. His dribbling is good, but he is lacking strength, there is also some serious questions about his stamina and whether he can sustain high tempo in a Premier League.
That's my summarized bullet points on his play. If you seen him that much, how is his consistency in these games and throughout the match? How often in the game he does show his great pace? Would you describe his stamina as great, good, average, below average?
What's this supposed to mean? Are you going to assume you know something about me?
It's very simple, if he's said he's watched him play X amount of times then it's a bit cnutish to call him a liar and making that up just to say he likes him. We all have different opinions of players qnd rate what we see differently. What's wrong with a bit of give and take and allowing someone to rate a player differently to you? What's this obsession with always having to be seen to be right and to know more than someone else on the internet?
As for the player, I've never seen him play and haven't a baldy feck what he's like, but it van Gaal decides he wants him here then I'll trust him to have a plan for him, and to feel that he has what it takes to fill a role in our side, both ability and stamina/fitness wise. Also, if he's not up to speed I've no doubt out coaching team will get him there soon enough. It's a risk, but every transfer is.