I swear some people must watch 20 matches of football per week to have seen all these players so many times. I haven't seen the cnut once. Checked Youtube though, and I've decided he's not good enough. Apologies in advance.
They play Football Manager.I swear some people must watch 20 matches of football per week to have seen all these players so many times. I haven't seen the cnut once. Checked Youtube though, and I've decided he's not good enough. Apologies in advance.
I swear some people must watch 20 matches of football per week to have seen all these players so many times. I haven't seen the cnut once. Checked Youtube though, and I've decided he's not good enough. Apologies in advance.
Shakhtar had used up all their subs, then in the 81st minute one of their players gets injured and is taken off hence them being down to 10.Sounds like exactly the way youtube description of match would sound, with some key details, like Shakhtar team playing with 10 men (and some others), omitted. I've just watched the clip, the first one i could find, and all the described moments were in it although some of them were completely insignificant like a Rakitsky's shot. And other more important stuff was missing.
But okay, still that match showed exactly what i was talking about, Konoplyanka was diligent in defense but lost a lot balls going forward with unnecessary dribbling and he also drifted out of game for some period, being completely anonymous while their other flank player was more consistent. It's funny you mentioned he was not fazed by Shaktar's and most notably Srna tough approach, as he got a booking for a clear retaliation on Srna which to be fair Srna deserved. But still, when someone watches his matches, he knows Konoplyanka often gets these sort of cautions for these little tags, tackles that do look suspiciously close to a simple retaliation. But anyway, so as you seen so many of his games, what are your take on that:
His main shortcoming is his tactical naivety. And his determination to dribble his way through no matter what. He is very good with his feet, but the amount of times he concedes possession and looses the ball is high. The second thing is he tends to drift out of games, even in games when he assists a goal, and many of those are from free kicks, mind you, it's sometimes like one of only 3-4 good things he has done in the match. There are also serious reservations about him being able to adapt to PL style, he is more suited for spanish league. His dribbling is good, but he is lacking strength, there is also some serious questions about his stamina and whether he can sustain high tempo in a Premier League.
That's my summarized bullet points on his play. If you seen him that much, how is his consistency in these games and throughout the match? How often in the game he does show his great pace? Would you describe his stamina as great, good, average, below average?
Can't say I was overly impressed from checking him out on youtube especially with two big factors. 1. Its a poor league and 2. He's not exactly a teenager with big potential, he'll be turning 25 at the start of the season. I'd rather give Nani one last got to be honest, would save money.
Who cares? Some of the best players in the EPL started in 'poor leagues' no?
Of course, but if you're going on 25 and haven't made it to a some what decent club why should you be fit for Manchester United?
Zidane was anotherThat's very harsh. Do you think every top talent will somehow end up at a 'decent' club or one of the big leagues? Furthermore, before they reach 22-23? Going by your logic, any player 24 and up who isn't currently playing for a 'decent' team in a decent league shouldn't even be considered at United. Thats a large pool of talent. Ole joined us at 23 but he came from nowhere and he only went pro at 20, look where his career went. You also have others like Ian Wright and Drogba, etc
Sad thing is, club owners and managers do the same thing.Let's be honest. Sometimes we look at the asking price, the team he's playing in and whether or not he has an exotic name to judge if he's good enough for not.
Who cares? Some of the best players in the EPL started in 'poor leagues' no?
Fernandinho would disagree.
He's a late bloomer. I don't get your point
I think some are put off by the league he plays in.Haven't been following this thread but I dont see what's wrong with buying him for 12mill.. from the few games that I have seen, he isn't worse than any of our present wingers (in their recent (last 2 yrs) form), and I think we need a change of personnel on the wings to freshen things up too.. worth the gamble imo
The only thing he's said about us is, 'I'd rather stay at Dnipro and play in the Champions League than go to Man Utd.' So I don't quite think that's positive noises.Has this guy made any positive noises about coming here yet?
They usually at least say they've supported us since they were a boy and it would be an honour to play for the club.
Not sure he even wants to come here.
Didn't he say he'd rather play for Dnipro in the CL than play for us? Or am I getting mixed up?Has this guy made any positive noises about coming here yet?
They usually at least say they've supported us since they were a boy and it would be an honour to play for the club.
Not sure he even wants to come here.
Didn't he say he'd rather play for Dnipro in the CL than play for us? Or am I getting mixed up?
Geese the media's getting so desperate they're now making up false quotes? I can't believe anything nowIt was a fake quote.
Geese the media's getting so desperate they're now making up false quotes? I can't believe anything now
There was a quote, wasn't fake. Context is important though.
"If you have two options - move to Manchester United or stay in Dnipro and play in the Champions League - what would you choose?"
"Probably would have stayed in Dnipro. But let's not get ahead."
I'll be honest, I find the notion of watching watching multiple football leagues, from Mexico to Ukraine to Japan, a little bit weird. There's no shame in saying you don't have a clue about a player. I've seen him play against England and that is all. How boring of me.
How far does he think he's going to get in the Champions League with Dnipro? Play 6 boring games in the group stages and then that's it.
That's very harsh. Do you think every top talent will somehow end up at a 'decent' club or one of the big leagues? Furthermore, before they reach 22-23? Going by your logic, any player 24 and up who isn't currently playing for a 'decent' team in a decent league shouldn't even be considered at United. Thats a large pool of talent. Ole joined us at 23 but he came from nowhere and he only went pro at 20, look where his career went. You also have others like Ian Wright and Drogba, etc
Thing is it isn't what we think we need, it's what LvG thinks we need. Everybody will have to remember that.Only ever seen this lad once against England and thought he was decent, not exactly what we need though
Given the number of scouts and the professionalism of modern day scouting, I would expect talented players to be picked up before they are 25. I am not talking about Barca, Real, Bayern etc, but if he such a good player then why hasn't some Italian, German or Portugese side picked him up yet ? If he were the kind of player many people would want him to be, why wouldn't a club like As Roma, Benfica, Dortmund, Schalke04 have spotted him and gone in for him, they scout those Eastern European pools very actively because the absolute top has it eyes on other leagues and they can snap up good players for affordable prices. Usually if those players are really excitting/talented/promising then they get snapped up quite quickly. An absolute top player that still plays at a club like Dnipro at age 25, it is very rare, not saying it is impossible, but it is highly likely some things are wrong about this player which make many clubs believe he isn't cut out for European top football. Raising the question, why a 25 year old player is still stuck at the level of Ukraine football is a very valid question. Ofcourse it may be possible he is very late bloomer, or that he didn't want to make the switch when he was younger (a bit like Navas refused to leave Spain for such a long time) but it is also possible that he just isn't really a very good player.
Anyway I'am not sold on this transfer, I haven't seen him play enough football to have a good idea about his qualities as a player (I think this goes for 99% of the people on the caf). His Youtube videos which are supposed to make him look special and good don't blow me out of the water, can't really say I'am very impressed by it, it is an overview of long shots and usually uneffective show off dribbles. I would really like to know why he is still at Dnipro at age 25 (because if he were a top talent, surely some other team would have snapped him up by now). on top of that I'am serioulsy worried if he could make the step up to the PL, it is really 3 steps up from the Ukrainian league, and i'am especially worried about his fitness as a player, in Ukraine players are used to play 20-30 games in a season and have 3 month brake during winter. here at United he would have to play double the amount of games and no brake in the winter, can he do that without running completley out of gas by the end of the season, can he adept to the physicality of the PL without getting torn to pieces, can he adept to the more intense training sessions and deliver under higher pressure and expecatations. I seriously doubt it, this guy just sound like a very big risk, one which I fully expect to blow up into our faces if we go in for him. If he isn't some kind of hidden gem or if he struggles to adept to the intensity of the EPL than we could well end up being stuck with another useless winger (we already have Nani, Young and Valencia...).
I want us to go for a proven top winger like Sanchez. If we can't get that proven top winger, Id rather we looked at exciting youngsters, like Griezmann whos had a very good season at Sociedad or perhaps even Depay who is looking very promising at age 20. Then there is also Pastore and Lavezzi who can leave at PSG, Shaqiri who clearly isn't getting in the Bayern team, I'd have them all over an unknown risky player like Konoplayanka. If we are august and all these other wingers proof to be unavaible (because they already made a transfer or signed a new contract or said no to us) then I would be willing to take a gamble with signing Konoplayanka and if at that time he isn't availble anymore, I wouldn't be bothered at all to continue with what we have on the wings (and maybay take the same gamble on one of our own younger players like for example Lingard).
That's really unimportant. He answered best he could in my opinion. If he said United, he'd alienate himself with Dnipro and its fans if for some reason the transfer does not happen.
An absolute top player that still plays at a club like Dnipro at age 25, it is very rare, not saying it is impossible, but it is highly likely some things are wrong about this player which make many clubs believe he isn't cut out for European top football. Raising the question, why a 25 year old player is still stuck at the level of Ukraine football is a very valid question.
