He sold Iheanacho as well. Although this coming from Yaya makes me very sceptical.
Yaya Touré: "I want to destroy the Pep myth" (France Football interview)
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Pep is just a smug bastard who probably clashes with certain personalities. I am not sure about the racism bit but the part where he said Pep likes to dominate people and have his players kiss his hands, I actually dont find that surprising.
according to Yaya they have to be African born and playing for an African country to count
Is it that hard to understand that someone might not have such a problem with black British players but be prejudiced against people from Africa?
As I said before, whether or not Toure's claims have any basis remains to be seen, but I find it weird that a few posters have come on and acted like racism against people from Africans is some kind of incomprehensible or nonsensical notion.
If the AFCoN had anything to do with this then fair enough because the competition had the most ridiculous timing ever. Most managers hate internationals but the AFCON must have been Pep's worst nightmare given how pragmatic and idealistic the man is.
Isn't he trying to sign Mahrez right now?
I think he just clashes with them, because they don't get a special treatment by him. He wants everyone to work for the team. Thats one of the main reasons, why he is so successful.
Yeah. Its toure. He talks shit.
Ah, makes sense now. No worries!No no I wasn't going at you for saying its true or false. You mentioned Yorke, Cole etc saying something about this so I wondered how many African players (playing for African countries as well) Fergie signed and only thought of Fortune (though yes there is Manucho as well).
And Yorke, Evra etc don't count because according to Yaya they have to be African born and playing for an African country to count
Rumoured
Was Mahrez not born in France...
He signed Sedou Keita while at Barca and he played close to 150 times for Barca over the 3 seasons Pep was there. Again, Yaya's claims are absolutely baseless and given his reputation, and previous accusations against his own African people, it smacks of whinging at not being played.
Toure has always been a prick but one thing which he says here that makes sense is pep always acts too smart and intelligent to cover up his flaws.
Yeah, not a big fan of City or Pep, but I think Yaya is just plain wrong here. Pep didn't rate him, period. It's natural to suspect that this was due to racism, considering how it still affects colored people in all aspects of life especially in football, but to insinuate that without evidence and publicly call out Pep on that, is just plain wrong.
I think he's very insecure.
Right now? Mahrez was at the airport waiting to go to Manchester to sign on the last day of the transfer window before Leicester backed off from the deal!
Oh but wait, Mahrez isn't black so he doesn't count.
Pretty much what Ibra and Eto have already said. The guys an egotistical dictator who doesnt like to be challenged.
No one exactly thought Pep was some nice guy did they
No one exactly thought Pep was some nice guy did they
That's a racist confirmed here. Yaya should have stated this as an evidence instead of the bullshit point he made.
Or you could find it incomprehensible that people are believing Cashiola is nationist towards people of Africa based on one Yaya Toure's say so with almost no basis and zero evidence outside Yaya Toure himself just saying so. The fact Yaya even threw in the race card off the cuff like that may of been the reason despite plenty players of colour in the team also has me scratching my head as it makes zero sense. Given the amount of players of colour in the City team.
I dislike Guardiola for plenty of reasons, including his hypocrisy about the Qatari regime, and he might be a bellend of the highest magnitude but accusing him of racism is ridiculous. Pep has had plenty of black players.
Or maybe he’s just not a racist.
Isn't he?
Leave Willy Caballero out of this
Clearly a racist, Yaya said so.
Indeed. Must be cos he prefers De Bruyne.
Yaya is so full of shit it's unreal. He belongs on reality TV. Sign him up, Big Brother.
I am aware that Walker is mixed-race (alongside the fact he himself from Yorkshire), however the point I was trying to make was that if Toure's claims about Pep being racist towards "Africans" was indeed correct, then surely Pep would also have issues playing/signing up those players that I have listed earlier (1) as well since most bigots cannot be arsed to distinquish between those who have 100% "Black" African ancestry and those who are Mixed-Race with some "Black" African Ancestry.
Notes
(1) Plus Fernandinho and to an extent Ederson as well, both of wholm I forgot include.
Fair enough, although even so, the fact has played Keita all thoughout his time at Barca (if we are only including Africans that are born and have played for an African nation alone) puts even this into question to some extent. Plus it starts a potentially bigoted debate about "Who is African" in the process.
I fully agree with this, hence why I was surprised that Toure ended up spending another 2 seasons at the club under Pep (even ending up signing another 1 year deal as well) despite his recent poor form and the fact Pep send him out the door as as soon as he could while at Barcelona...
Not that I think Pep is a racist or anything but,that doesn't mean a thing
Well it does when Yaya is saying bullshit like the day he picks 5 Africans he’d send Pep a cake.
Africa letting Yaya down again?
Why is he smug?
Like all top managers I suspect he just doesn’t suffer fools who either won’t, or can’t fit into his system. Those he doesn’t need are discarded. Nothing wrong with that.
That would be funny
This will go down as badly as the Griezeman thread on here, odd take on racism here.
I certainly wouldn't just take Yaya's word on it but I'm perplexed how people are comfortable to mock someone making such claims. Disbelief is fine, ridicule is fecked up
I certainly wouldn't just take Yaya's word on it but I'm perplexed how people are comfortable to mock someone making such claims. Disbelief is fine, ridicule is fecked up
I'm not really taking a view on whether his accusations are correct - just can't understand why some posters have acted like racism against Africans in general is some kind of logical impossibility.
With regard to Toure's past record of saying pretty questionable things, it might serve us well to balance that by reminding ourselves that black players' experiences of racism within the sport have been frequently disregarded - you only have to look at the Chelsea trainees experiences for an example of that. So that's also part of the context of the comments. It's worth remembering that within living memory our own club has had a manager who said things and thought things about black players like this: "He's what is known in some schools as a fecking lazy thick nigger". Given that racism is pretty endemic in society, it's pretty likely that at some time during his time playing in Belgium, Ukraine, Spain, Greece, France or England Toure has had to play for managers or with teammates who had racist attitudes towards him. Which presumably means that it's not so easy to disentangle people's attitudes towards you from concerns you might be being racially stereotyped.
With that sort of context remarks like this ought to be treated with a bit more care and thought than other daft utterances.
I always thought white people also live in Africa. Oh wait, Africans are meant to be black only.
I don't have a problem with it and think as a manager he also has a right to his preferences. Peps football has a certain Spanishness to it and not suited to the vast majority of players coming from Africa/educated..
The discussion should be more about... why his philosophy does not suit them than about their race.
I fully agree and understand why Toure is intolerant of racism to such an extent (based on his past experences), however if he wants to reduce the amount of racism that sadly is linked to this game then targeting Pep is not really the best way to do it in my view. Calling/Lobbying for teams to be banned from entering the Champions League (due to racism among their fans) would be a far better way of campaigning against it.
This post has so many issues/talking points
Very true. The only thing is that context in this case if Yaya and his long history of whinging, even against Africans themselves. If there was any other player, who didn't have the history that Yaya has, who said this then 100% it would've been taken much more seriously; for example if Seydou Keita came out and said something similar.