I don't understand what weird point you're trying to make here so let me try and get it straight: that it's not possible to be have stereotypes about black Africans because white people also live in Africa?
Yaya Touré: "I want to destroy the Pep myth" (France Football interview)
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I don't understand what weird point you're trying to make here so let me try and get it straight: that it's not possible to be have stereotypes about black Africans because white people also live in Africa?
This is the man that basically claimed Africans are prejudiced against Africans. It's Yaya's credibility that's being laughed at, not the issue of racism in the game.
Like I said, I'll await the full story before casting judgement either way but this happens every time racism is brought up on the caf. People are so wrapped up in being anti pc they dismiss any racism accusation out of hand. It's dangerous and demoralising.
It's a tough one. Accusations of racism should be taken seriously, but this is the same guy who threw a strop when his club didn't get him a birthday cake.
Pep has plenty of black players at Bayern and City that he plays frequently so it's not an issue of racism at all. If Yaya is saying that Pep dislikes players from the African region only, it just doesn't make any sense at all.
Why would he hate African players but love other black players like Sterling, Kingsley Coman, Douglas Costa etc
Why would he hate African players but love other black players like Sterling, Kingsley Coman, Douglas Costa etc
I think if it was someone other than Toure coming out with these statements you would certainly see some different responses. But nationist against all peoples from Africa? Really? How is this even believable? Yes I could see it now Pep sits down to sign Mo Salah, oh you are from where? Egypt? That's part of Africa, next.
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Some are, again not saying he is right about Pep
I'm beginning to think Yaya Toure isn't all that smart.
Not sure why liking other black players means he cannot dislike African players, do you remember why the guy Henry at WestHam had to resign. Again not saying Yaya is right but your comment doesn't make any sense
Comes across as bitterness from a declining player who was eased out by Pep. He gave him the captains armband & a big send off in his last game.
Plus, didn't Pep sign him for Barca?
Cracking player in his prime, but seems like a right baby. Hopefully he buggers off to China or America.
Plus, didn't Pep sign him for Barca?
Cracking player in his prime, but seems like a right baby. Hopefully he buggers off to China or America.
You realise mendy has African heritage don't you?
You realise "Coleman" isn't seamus colemanl don't you.
Could it possibly have anything to do with losing African players for an extended period every two seasons when the ACN is played?
Not the entire continent though, particularly when they voted a player that had scored more than a goal a game over him.
I just want to remove the race issue from the argument straight off really. Nowt to do with racism here.
If Pep hates African players for any other reason than race, then fair play to Toure but I can't see it.
Agree, his comment about that was sour grapes
You do realise a black African is a different racial identity to a black Jamaican right?
I don't want to speculate as I don't know if it is even true that Pep prejudice African players.
It could be less hatred and simply more down to mistrust.
There’s a negative stigma attached to African players particularly with regards to on/off the pitch intelligence. African players often don’t have access to the education that Western players have, don’t have the same systems in place for developing players. The resources just aren’t there.
A lot of players (enough IMO) have proven these concerns to be totally unfounded but still the perception exists.
I’m not saying Toure’s right at all, but it’s entirely possible this is what he’s referring to.
That brings me back to my original question. Why would he specifically hate black African players? It doesn't make sense.
Why did Henry at Westham have to resign? Plenty of people dislike black Africans as a distinct set, just like even some people dislike Somalian Africans as a distinct set
If your understanding of the world is that racism can't exist because it doesn't make sense then you may have to think harder.
Noel Gallagher to mediate on LIVE tv.
Can some of you not read. He specifically mentioned African players and some of you are mentioning Walker and Coman 
I'm interested in what Yaya has to say. Its clear that Pep is a peculiar character and the disdain Eto'o and Ibra (although not African) have for him seems a bit too deep for it to be just football related.
I'm interested in what Yaya has to say. Its clear that Pep is a peculiar character and the disdain Eto'o and Ibra (although not African) have for him seems a bit too deep for it to be just football related.
Why am I not surprised?
The guy is as big a moron as Sol Campbell.
Re:Eto'o. Guardiola was basically the club's hitman. The club wanted to get rid of him before they even decided to hire Guardiola. That particular relationship could never be anything different than what it was
Although given their personalities, it likely didn't need any prompting from the club's higher ups to go that way
Ronaldinho was another player the club wanted to get rid of, but with him they had no problem because Milan had been flirting with him for 4 years and Dinho was more than happy to leave by then. Eto'o wanted to stay, so they had to force him out. Enter Guardiola
Zlatan said it best: barcelona wanted their players to be boring little soldiers, doing what they were told and never stepping outside the boundaries on and off the pitch. Even Dani Alves had a lot of problens with the board because of his personality. The moment his performances declined a little bit the club began trying to force him out
Although given their personalities, it likely didn't need any prompting from the club's higher ups to go that way
Ronaldinho was another player the club wanted to get rid of, but with him they had no problem because Milan had been flirting with him for 4 years and Dinho was more than happy to leave by then. Eto'o wanted to stay, so they had to force him out. Enter Guardiola
Zlatan said it best: barcelona wanted their players to be boring little soldiers, doing what they were told and never stepping outside the boundaries on and off the pitch. Even Dani Alves had a lot of problens with the board because of his personality. The moment his performances declined a little bit the club began trying to force him out
Can some of you not read. He specifically mentioned African players and some of you are mentioning Walker and Coman
I'm interested in what Yaya has to say. Its clear that Pep is a peculiar character and the disdain Eto'o and Ibra (although not African) have for him seems a bit too deep for it to be just football related.
All three people in question do like to be dictated to and are very strong characters, often outspoken.
It’s Pep who tries to portray himself as a saint. He’s a total phoney.
Players can learn and adapt to new styles. Irrespective of where they developed as children.
But taking your concept further- if people think that way outside of football too then it highlights a greater prejudice.
I don't want to comment much because it is such a delicate subject, but he will really need to have something significant to back up this.
https://www.soccerladuma.co.za/news...la-praises-attitude-of-african-players/245364
https://www.soccerladuma.co.za/news...la-praises-attitude-of-african-players/245364
Henry didn't want to sign African players because they 'caused mayhem', not because they were black. It was his mistake to generalise though, not defending him at all.
Back to Pep, I can't imagine if Pep is a proper racist he would be THAT specific about the racial profile of people he dislikes, but okay, can't say that it's impossible since I don't know Pep.
Let's see what he has to say.
I'm not saying he is, I am saying some people are specific about hating a set of black people and not all, because there are many distinct races within black
Also the notion that someone can't discriminate against an African player because they signed them is such a ridiculous notion. Several BME's are discriminated in their place of work despite being employed by the workplace.
Trying to ridicule or rubbish Yaya's opinion because he's Yaya is embarrassing. If players both past and present were to deny this completely then I could understand but for now its worth listening to what he has to say and any facts he can prove.
Trying to ridicule or rubbish Yaya's opinion because he's Yaya is embarrassing. If players both past and present were to deny this completely then I could understand but for now its worth listening to what he has to say and any facts he can prove.
Surely Pep will sue him proper over this. Yaya clearly has mental health issues. First the b'day cake, then in 2016 saying he should have been given the African POTY instead of Aubameyang, now this
I don't deny that but the coach they all seem to dislike the most is Pep. These are guys that have played for several clubs over their careers.
In the interview with Ibra and Henry on Sky Sports, Zlatan was insinuating that Henry was aware of the things he was talking about. I'm not saying this proves he's a racist however its clear Pep wears a veil to hide his true self from the general public.
Very few racists make that distinction though. If you hate a very specific subset of people within a race, its less to do with general racism and more likely that there is a very personal or familial bad history there.
Maybe they will sue each other. That will be fun.
I agree, I was just pointing out that that evidence points to it being a personality thing he hates more than a race thing, since Zlatan is included.
Not sure exactly what you are suggesting here. Are implying that Barca, specifically the owners, are racists?