Yaya Touré: "I want to destroy the Pep myth" (France Football interview)

Bombed Eto'o out after a year.

But lets mock Toure before he's had a chance to speak.
Let’s be honest, it’s totally understandable why he’s being mocked.

In 2016 he accused Africans of not caring about Africa because they didn’t award him African player of the year, despite him being awarded it the previous 4 years.
 
There was a guy called Samuel Eto'o once but doubt he'd have been good enough for Pep's Barcelona...

Zlatan as well. Baldy hates Swedish players that are not actually of Swedish decent, he must be a supporter of the right wing party in Sweden.
 
Well it's not racism, Africa isnt a race, Africa has large and diverse diasporas of ethnicities. I guess you could make a claim he is nationist, although Zlatan doesnt fit into that narrative.

He specifically says "I asked myself if it was because of my colour"

And he also says other African players thought the same at Barcelona.

People can't or don't want to read.
 
I'm more interested to see what people's reactions are going to be.

How many are goinf to resort to belittling his claims for an entire multitude of reasons (sore loser, etc.) instead of actually taking his claims seriously?

It's friggin 2018, there is NO PLACE for racism.

There’s also no place for people to throw accusations like that about without having any evidence or to further their own personal agenda. That’s just as damaging.

If he has evidence of it, then fine.

The fact that City have numerous black players is odd if he has those kinds of views.
 
Bombed Eto'o out after a year.

But lets mock Toure before he's had a chance to speak.

If i recall correctly, their first bust up happened at a preseason practice where Eto'o did not like the fact that Guardiola was trying to correct his positioning and said something along the lines "He was an average midfielder as a player, he has no business lecturing me about attacking". He got off lightly for that in my opinion, I'd have personally kicked him out right on the spot.
 
Come to think of it, which African player has been a key member of a Pep team? Doesn't mean he's racist. Fergie didn't like the AFCON timing.

Africans aren't a race. Pep has utilised lots of black players, so very unlikely a race issue. Maybe he just didn't like certain individuals, which happens. Yaya is a spent force and wasn't playing as there were better options ahead of him.
 

Don't want to port cold water on him claims but Pep is known to be ruthless and distant with players he feels are not in his plans. It's easy for some to take that personally and think he has a problem with their X or Y. I hope Toure has more to back up his claim because I think frivulous accusations of racism are dangerous.
 
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Zlatan as well. Baldy hates Swedish players that are not actually of Swedish decent, he must be a supporter of the right wing party in Sweden.

He kicked British lion Joe Hart out of City too. The man is a kaleidoscope of prejudice.
 
The feck is wrong with this guy? One day He brags about how He (and of course, Pep included) managed to put United in City's shadow and on the other? He accuses his own manager of being racist.

This guy needs help, quick, send him birthday cakes.

And he was Pep's biggest arse licker until he left City. After Pep got him to apologize for his agent's comment. Pretty hypocritical.
 
I can understand why the 2 did not get into each, but of the reasons behind it he is being foolish to suggest that racism was part of that. Otherwise he would have not signed up Walker, Mendy, Danilo, Sane and Jesus nor would have kept both Sterling and Kompany.

Reguardless of Toure's views on him (who I still consider to be a legend at my club), Pep (while at Barcelona) was highly foolish to not only flog off Eto'o, but then end up falling out with Zlatan (who he got in exchange) as well the season after.
Walker is half white half-jamaican, noot really african. It's interesting that Yahya used that word in particular, because its obvious Pep does not have an issue with black people or players otherwise why would he sign them and play them in his teams. So he used African possibly as a way to better word his accusation. It seems to me most of his falling outs were due to personality or professional falling's outs.
 
He specifically says "I asked myself if it was because of my colour"

And he also says other African players thought the same at Barcelona.

People can't or don't want to read.

But this doesnt fit any narrative either, if it was simply 'because of my colour' why did Fernandinho and Sterling have such great seasons under Pep as key parts of his City team? Why did Cashiola bring in Mendy if he had something against coloured players? Surely he would be bringing Joe Hart back, that dood looks like he would turn lobster red seeing a picture of the sun on tv.
 
Africans aren't a race. Pep has utilised lots of black players, so very unlikely a race issue. Maybe he just didn't like certain individuals, which happens. Yaya is a spent force and wasn't playing as there were better options ahead of him.
I know Africans aren't a race.
 
Given that it's Yaya Toure a notorious crybaby I'm going to call bollocks on this. I can't stand Pep but this is a guy that's cried at not getting a cake in his 30's, accused Africans of discriminating against their own because they voted for another African ahead of him and accused the league of racism because Suarez got the player of the year ahead of him after having one of the finest individual seasons in the PL era.
 
Honestly I wouldn't doubt what Yaya says. One thing is for sure Pep has a big ego and he strikes me as one who always want to have his way but will rarely ever show it.
 
Toure basically says that Pep has a messiah complex and that he needs acolytes and disciples. He then says that he will not entertain that kind of relationship with him or anyone. He describes the essence of their personality clash in the interview so the accusations of racism seem like a smear.

He confirms what I have long thought about Pep though, that he is a deeply deeply vain man trying to portray humility as a conscious decision for his image.

I bet than Zlatan and Eto'o fell foul of Pep for similar reasons.
 
But this doesnt fit any narrative either, if it was simply 'because of my colour' why did Fernandinho and Sterling have such great seasons under Pep as key parts of his City team? Why did Cashiola bring in Mendy if he had something against coloured players? Surely he would be bringing Joe Hart back, that dood looks like he would turn lobster red seeing a picture of the sun on tv.

He once didn't like a white man isn't really how racism works.

Yaya Toure wouldn't consider himself the same race as Fernandinho or Sterling. That's a touchy subject but it's true. Toure will identify himself as a "Black African" he will take absolute pride in that.
 
Africans aren't a race.

Toure may or may not be correct in what he says about Guardiola, but nobody ought to be basing their argument on the idea that it's not possible to be racist against Africans. It's a ridiculous point of view.
 
Smell a lawsuit brewing from Pep's camp. That's a strong thing to level at someone.
 
Toure may or may not be correct in what he says about Guardiola, but nobody ought to be basing their argument on the idea that you can't be racist against Africans. It's a ridiculous point of view.
I don't think that's what he is saying, rather he is saying that Africa is made up of different races or at the very least consider themselves to be different from each other. That's how I saw it, he's not saying you can't be prejudiced towards people from Africa.
 
Yaya Toure out of all people.

Would be more interesting if any other more credible black player (he coached a lot of them) came out with the news.
 
Didn't he make the same complaint when it came to the PFA awards as well as the debacle around his birthday, because he is African :boring:
 
Toure may or may not be correct in what he says about Guardiola, but nobody ought to be basing their argument on the idea that you can't be racist against Africans. It's a ridiculous point of view.
Exactly.

I've been in the presence of people who have specifically targetted Black Africans in negative ways. I don't know what the geniuses on here would call it, whether it's their definition of "racism" but it is a problem and a very unpleasant one.

People reeling off Mixed heritage Brazillians as players he plays and the fact he didn't once like a white man called Joe Hart is just weird.
 
Yaya Toure not allowed to speak out about racism because the footballing world will say "Guardiola is not that type"

Toure is allowed his opinion.
Same guy who wanted to leave and accused owners for not sending him a cake for his birthday?
 
Toure basically says that Pep has a messiah complex and that he needs acolytes and disciples. He then says that he will not entertain that kind of relationship with him or anyone. He describes the essence of their personality clash in the interview so the accusations of racism seem like a smear.

He confirms what I have long thought about though, that he is a deeply deeply vain man trying to portray humility as a conscious decision for his image.

I bet than Zlatan and Eto'o fell foul of Pep for similar reasons.
This. I think he is fake. His true nature comes out when he's under pressure.
The sad part that the reacism bit will turn away from what the essence of the interview is.
That Pep is not a saint.
 
I don't think that's what he is saying, rather he is saying that Africa is made up of different races or at the very least consider themselves to be different from each other. That's how I saw it, he's not saying you can't be prejudiced towards people from Africa.

Just because people from Africa might see themselves as belonging to different peoples doesn't mean that someone can't have a racist stereotypes that group them together. That'd be like saying that there's no such thing as antisemitism because there are Sephardic Jews, Ethiopian Jews etc.
 
There was a guy called Samuel Eto'o once but doubt he'd have been good enough for Pep's Barcelona...

He was sold as part of a deal to bring in a better striker in Ibrahimovic. Nothing to do with his race.
 
Same guy who wanted to leave and accused owners for not sending him a cake for his birthday?
So we should just mock him and take the piss out of him then?

It just doesn't sit well with me that to be honest.
 
Smell a lawsuit brewing from Pep's camp. That's a strong thing to level at someone.

Don't think they, or the public generally, will care about what Yaya says. He is a known cry baby and what hes saying has no basis at all, talks about his colour without realising Sterling, Walker, Delph, Sane have been City's main players this season.
 
So we should just mock him and take the piss out of him then?

It just doesn't sit well with me that to be honest.
He's a tool who has a history of making idiotic accusations when things don't go his way.
 
Just because people from Africa might see themselves as belonging to different peoples doesn't mean that someone can't have a racist stereotypes that group them together. That'd be like saying that there's no such thing as antisemitism because there are Sephardic Jews, Ethiopian Jews etc.
That's not what I think or said?
 
That's not what I think or said?

It sounded as though you were defending the idea that you couldn't be racist against African people because you can make ethnic distinctions between people from Africa, but apologies if I misunderstood. That's definitely what Red-toad was saying.
 
talks about his colour without realising Sterling, Walker, Delph, Sane have been City's main players this season.
You can be racist and still have black people working for you, though. That's been true since the dawn of modern civilisation.