Yann M’Vila

Cina said:
You know Match of The Day? Believe it or not, other leagues have shows like that too fellas! Shocking, right? There's also these things called international matches which are on INSTEAD of the PL and La Liga, sometimes the players play in them too. Oh and this whole 'Champions League' thing that's on midweek that some of Europe's bigger clubs (which some of these players happen to be in) play in.

I'm starting to understand why Twigg doesn't think we need to sign anyone, it's because he hasn't actually ever seen any player outside of Utd play football before.
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It just seems odd to me that someone could claim to know so much about so many young players playing through such a variety of leagues.

Don't get me wrong, I watch a lot of football. I live in a house full of lads who mostly all love the sport so it dominates. We'll watch MOTD, and every United match minimum. As well as the big games that weekend.

I mean you're a student so you have a lot of free time but this seem excessive.
 
It's a fecking shame you were banned from RAWK, Twigg. Well done on your continued cuntishness in this thread.
 
I'm not a student, I work full time.

You're talking as if I watch every game on TV, I don't. I don't even watch every PL game on TV. I DO like to commit to watching certain teams on TV though. ESPN is full of highlights of Bundesliga and Serie A games, Sky Sports always shows multiple La Liga games, and highlights, and sites like 101greatgoals have loads of extended highlights of matches (FWIW, I have full net access at work)

You're just clutching at straws and being an idiot/WUM, further proving you have a spastic's knowledge of football.
 
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Watching football from leagues outside the premiership being frowned upon. That's just classic.
 
Cina said:
I'm not a student, I work full time.

You're talking as if I watch every game on TV, I don't. I don't even watch every PL game on TV. I DO like to commit to watching certain teams on TV though. ESPN is full of highlights of Bundesliga and Serie A games, Sky Sports always shows multiple La Liga games, and highlights, and sites like 101greatgoals have loads of extended highlights of matches (FWIW, I have full net access at work)

You're just clutching at straws and being an idiot/WUM, further proving you have a spastic's knowledge of football.
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Compared to you who comments on players they've seen in the Europa league saying they'll rule the world, you are right
 
Twigginater said:
I'm being a dick but basically the point I am trying to make is that it's very unlikely anyone on this forum (unless they're French) has watched m Vila enough to know how well he'd do at arsenal.

Each transfer is a gamble yet people are already in this thread making the same old complaints about value etc etc. claiming arsenal are going to har a very good midfield and comparing him to Song.

I just don't get it. I doubt anyone can make their mind up on this guy without FM or FIFA having an effect on how they judge him.
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No matter how much they've seen of him they'll never know how well he'd do at Arsenal, so they're just offering their opinion based on what they've seen. Everyone was raving about him when he excelled against England 18 months or so ago, and obviously since then people have kept an eye out just because they were interested in a highly promising player. Then you have people who have seen him consistently - like Kouroux - confirming that potential that those who've seen less of him had thought was there, and that's it really. Nothing wrong with any of that, as far as I can see. The gimps who talk about players they've not even seen beyond youtube, on the other hand...

I don't see why it's so difficult to understand for so many that when you're watching Stoke-Newcastle, someone else - from the same country, shock horror - is watching Lille-Rennes. Or instead of watching Blackburn-Fulham people decide to watch Dortmund-Leverkusen. Watching more European football doesn't mean watching more football, it just means watching a larger variety of games. As for having to spend your entire time watching football to see enough of certain players or teams, that's not really true either...I spend about 10 hours a week travelling to and from work, so I could quite easily watch 7 games throughout that week just to pass the time and it doesn't get in the way of what I do at home or at work.
 
Twigginater said:
Compared to you who comments on players they've seen in the Europa league saying they'll rule the world, you are right
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:lol: Yeah that is exactly what I said. The only sentence you can come up with is on that, which I've already said I went overboard on. Well done, you're an utter fecking genius of a man.

Sorry Twigg, I'll stop watching other leagues now, how dare I watch talented players in other countries!
 
Twigginater said:
I'm being a dick but basically the point I am trying to make is that it's very unlikely anyone on this forum (unless they're French) has watched m Vila enough to know how well he'd do at arsenal.

Each transfer is a gamble yet people are already in this thread making the same old complaints about value etc etc. claiming arsenal are going to har a very good midfield and comparing him to Song.

I just don't get it. I doubt anyone can make their mind up on this guy without FM or FIFA having an effect on how they judge him.
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Sorry to say it but you're using some sort of caveman logic.I'm french and has had the chance to watch Ligue 1 matches for several years but there are also a lot of foreign viewers who are as much as if not more knowledgeable than me on the subject.
Just like with the PL, you don't have to be a British caftard to watch and follow the league closely.
 
FlawlessThaw said:
I don't think bringing in M'Vila is one step back either. What I did say was that Song leaving and M'Vila coming in means you haven't gone forward and you haven't gone back either. What is clear is that Arsenal needs to improve if it wants to challenge for honours again which means adding to the players already at the club not replacing them.
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I'd agree with that but I would say if we can pull this transfer off we are going a long way in fixing our defensive issues, we struggle to shut out games and maybe with a more disciplined player in midfield he will give us better defensive shape.

Another reason I would be inclined to hang on to Song is I don't think M'Vila will just slot right in and be at his best, like with many of our French players they usually need a season to find their feet. Kocienly being a good recent example, looked ropey in his first season but very solid so far this season.

Twigginater said:
I just don't get it. I doubt anyone can make their mind up on this guy without FM or FIFA having an effect on how they judge him.
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Twigginater said:
Arsenal have lost 10 league games this year. They're miles behind us. M'vila won't change that, but good luck to Arsenal
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Seems to me you have already come to your conclusion on the player....
 
Brwned said:
No matter how much they've seen of him they'll never know how well he'd do at Arsenal, so they're just offering their opinion based on what they've seen. Everyone was raving about him when he excelled against England 18 months or so ago, and obviously since then people have kept an eye out just because they were interested in a highly promising player. Then you have people who have seen him consistently - like Kouroux - confirming that potential that those who've seen less of him had thought was there, and that's it really. Nothing wrong with any of that, as far as I can see. The gimps who talk about players they've not even seen beyond youtube, on the other hand...

I don't see why it's so difficult to understand for so many that when you're watching Stoke-Newcastle, someone else - from the same country, shock horror - is watching Lille-Rennes. Or instead of watching Blackburn-Fulham people decide to watch Dortmund-Leverkusen. Watching more European football doesn't mean watching more football, it just means watching a larger variety of games. As for having to spend your entire time watching football to see enough of certain players or teams, that's not really true either...I spend about 10 hours a week travelling to and from work, so I could quite easily watch 7 games throughout that week just to pass the time and it doesn't get in the way of what I do at home or at work.
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I think I on average watch 7 games a week.

I watch United. They're on at least once, mostly twice.

I watch most of the games Barce/Real are on, unless they're not on or I'm doing something. That's another one or two games.

After that I'm pretty much left at the mercy of Serie A or Sky Sports. I like watching Serie A, especially since AC Jimbo started appearing a few months ago for a while. I watch revista da liga. I've watched a fair few SPL matches as well.

But to be honest, outside of Barcelona/Real Madrid I could barely tell you about any players. I simply do not watch them regularly enough to have a clue about many of their players.

So yes, I am very sceptical about someone who plays Football Manager constantly talking up all these "wonderkids" on here, when he's admitted he's only seen some of them in the Europa League. I very much doubt anyone here has seen Rennes play that much. The French posters for sure.
 
Erm no, the only one I said I've seen in the Europa league is Erikssen.

Teams like Dortmund, Lille and Athletic are on TV quite a lot. There's also this thing called the internet, heard of it?

First you say I'm a student, then you say I play FM 'constantly'. Neither of these are true. Do you stalk me? I think you're stalking the wrong person.
 
Cina said:
Erm no, the only one I said I've seen in the Europa league is Erikssen.

Teams like Dortmund, Lille and Athletic are on TV quite a lot. There's also this thing called the internet, heard of it?

First you say I'm a student, then you say I play FM 'constantly'. Neither of these are true. Do you stalk me? I think you're stalking the wrong person.
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I thought I remembered you posting saying you were a student, and you've posted numerous times in the Football Manager threads. It's not a massive leap.

I'm not saying you can't wait Dortmund mate. They're a big side in a big league playing quite a bit. I aren't posting in the Kagawa thread asking posters how they rate him (but again I'm sceptical)

I'm asking how people have watched M'Vila. A player at a midtable side in Ligue 1.

If that's the player you've chosen to focus on and watch fair enough. I suspect you've watched him maybe twice for France and a few youtube videos, but only you really know the answer
 
That student post must've been back in 2008 then. I used to play FM, not really anymore. Completely irrelevant anyway.

M'Vila has played for France 18 times, seeing as they have so many PL players I like to watch their matches, or at least highlights of their matches. And so what if they're mid table? Their games will get get shown on TV, and 20-25 minute highlights online, just like with Match of the Day. The only reason I started watching Rennes was to see M'Vila playing for them, because I saw him for France and because there's been a lot of hype over him.

Also, your Dortmund comment, you're the one who smart-arsedly brought up Kagawa and Goetze, that's why I've mentioned them.
 
Twigg, stop making a fool of yourself. You're in no position to judge others making a 101 (usually false) assumptions along the way. I get that people basing their decisions on players on almost nothing can be irritated. But quit barking at people baselessly in an attempt to look balanced.
 
It's a sad state of affairs that every time Arsenal look like signing a player, I immediately think that the current player in that position must be leaving.
 
Twigginater said:
I doubt any young player could arrive at Arsenal this year and make up 20 points mate.
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If he along with our defence can help us concede 20 less goals over a season you never know, very unlikely but you never know :nervous:

alastair said:
It's a sad state of affairs that every time Arsenal look like signing a player, I immediately think that the current player in that position must be leaving.
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:(
 
alastair said:
It's a sad state of affairs that every time Arsenal look like signing a player, I immediately think that the current player in that position must be leaving.
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Song has always struck me as somebody who might think they are the shit once they make it and look for a big deal elsewhere. What exactly are the rumours though?

Hopefully he'll look at the likes of Flamini and see that it might be worth sticking around, but if we get a shitload of cash for him then it's not too hard to take.

Good news with Bould though!
 
Grinner said:
Song has always struck me as somebody who might think they are the shit once they make it and look for a big deal elsewhere. What exactly are the rumours though?

Hopefully he'll look at the likes of Flamini and see that it might be worth sticking around, but if we get a shitload of cash for him then it's not too hard to take.

Good news with Bould though!
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I think there was a slight link with Juve, but nothing concrete. Song's absolute quality though - even if we bought M'Vila, we'd have worsened the team by selling him. I'm just hoping we're finally appreciating the importance of squad depth.

Ironically Flamini is available on a free in the summer. Worth a punt?
 
I haven't seen M'Villa play :lol: , but he sounds like the type of player we should be interested in.

Maybe Fergie isn't looking at DMs at all.
 
alastair said:
I think there was a slight link with Juve, but nothing concrete. Song's absolute quality though - even if we bought M'Vila, we'd have worsened the team by selling him. I'm just hoping we're finally appreciating the importance of squad depth.

Ironically Flamini is available on a free in the summer. Worth a punt?
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Well there isn't much you can do if a player's contract is up and he's getting offered silly money elsewhere. We simply can't pay what others can afford. I wonder how Flamini looks back on his leaving...he got a lot of cash but not much else.
 
Twigginater said:
I think I on average watch 7 games a week.
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That's a feckload of football though, more than most would watch. Definitely more than I'd see in a typical week. If you take away the two United games, there's still 5 left...watch a couple of Bundesliga and Ligue Un games a week and you're watching more of both than 95% of the forum, I imagine. And you'd be clued up on Kagawa, M'Vila, Hazard and whoever else enough to talk about them in the forum. 10+ games is enough to get an idea of what kind of player he is, how good he is and how he'd fit into another team. Or at least it is for most people. You're underestimating how easy it is to watch Rennes anyway, and overstating how unlikely it is someone would watch them. I watched 20-odd games of Sao Paulo last year, just like I did with Udinese and Lille. 15-odd games each of Rennes and (relegated side) Lens. Add in a couple of PL games a week, 1 CL game a week and 1 Bundesliga/La Liga game and I still ended up watching less football than you, on average...it's just a different way of doing things. You like to watch the PL and all its sides, I prefer to watch certain teams from the various leagues repeatedly.
 
The French Balotelli is how he's been labelled. Got robbed by hookers apparently:lol:
 
Arsenal's record signing.

http://www.metro.co.uk/sport/football/898435-yann-mvila-transfer-to-arsenal-agreed#ixzz1uILpM66Q

As Metro revealed last month, the Gunners have made signing a natural defensive midfielder a key priority for the summer, despite Alex Song's excellent form.
And it seems after scouring the market, manager Arsene Wenger has settled on securing long-term favourite M'Vila.

Anderlecht's Lucas Biglia and Tromso's Kara Mbodj were also under consideration, but Wenger is looking for a player ready to go straight into the first-team, and M'Vila fits the bill, having already established himself as one of the most consistent performers in Ligue 1, while also racking up 18 caps for France in the process.

The 21-year-old, who also has strong interest from Inter Milan, told Rennes of his desire to quit the club earlier this season, and according to reports in France, Arsenal have agreed terms on a £17 million transfer, with the details set to be concluded in the summer.

The news brings to an end Wenger's 12-month chase for M'Vila, with tentative enquiries being held last August, before Rennes pulled the plug, and the Gunners were forced to look elsewhere.

Wenger wants no repeat of long, drawn out transfer sagas like that this summer, and has already swooped for German forward Lukas Podolski, securing him from Cologne for £10.9 million, with M'Vila set to follow in another swiftly negotiated deal.

The French enforcer's impending arrival will cast fresh doubt over the future of Alex Song, but with talks over a new contract progressing, Metro understands M'Vila is seen as a compliment to the Cameroonian, rather than a replacement.

French daily Le Parisien report that M'Vila will sign a four-year-deal with wages of around £60,000-a-week this summer, and with a fee of £17 million, he would be Arsenal's record signing, eclipsing the £15 million paid to Zenit Saint Petersburg for Andrey Arshavin in 2009.
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Confusion over M'Vila. Player's camp claim deal (& fee) agreed, #afc sources say they are no longer interested. Am believing the latter now.
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James Olley of London Evening Standard who is usually spot on with regards to Arsenal matters.
 
apotheosis said:
If Fergie thinks having only one DM is enough, i suggest he goes back and looks at our pathetic European campaign this season. That should be more than enough to convince him to change his tune.
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Yeah but he can be stubborn. Played Park in attacking midfield against City last year and he was terrible, played him there in europe a few times this year and he was awful, biggest game of the season, park has barely played, and he plays attacking midfield. Having said that I'm sure he recognizes that we need a another defensively strong player, I just hope he's not to focussed on Fletch returning. Although no rumours so far about us in for a midfielder, heard about attacking players and that defender from ajax now, nothing about a midfielder yet.
 
Will be a wonderful signing for Arsenal. Where does this put Song? Would it free him up more?
 
Commadus said:
I expectwe will here there is no value in the market then splurge £25m plus on a Jorge Mendes signing.

We dont seem to have £10m odd for midfielders but have £16m odd for wingers and defenders.

When is the last quality central midfielder Fergie signed?
Don't say Scholes!!
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Please that would be silly.

I say Michael Carrick. :smirk:

Which was 6 years ago.
 
Bit weird if true, considering Song has just broke his leg again.
 
Sagna has broken his leg.......unless there is some breaking news I haven't heard yet :nervous:
 
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