Have no doubt that he'd immediately look to bring in one of the midfielders he ended Inters drought with, Barella or Brozovic, either of which would be godsends for the midfield
Would you take Conte at United?
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It's going to be Jose all over again. Shite football, falling out with players, falling out with the board. Signing a bunch of 30 year olds to play 5 at the back, probably sign Lukaku again for £70m once Chelsea bench him. It might work in Italy where the only competition is a crap Juve team, but in the PL his style of play will get beaten consistently by the likes of City and Liverpool, who are a lot better than when he was last here at Chelsea. You only have to see how Inter fared in the CL under Conte.
Sigh. We're never going to build anything with the Glazers in charge. It's all about the money for them, they have no clue how to really run a modern football club. I bet we don't win the league anytime in the next ten years.
I mean ask yourself, how much do the Glazers, or Woodward watch football? What do they know about tactics, coaching, building squads? Nothing. Why should they get to chose managers? Look at Brentford, Brighton - their owners made their bones in sports betting, they know how to analyse, use data, see what works in sports. Our guys know how to do leveraged buy outs and milk money from them club, that's it.
Sigh. We're never going to build anything with the Glazers in charge. It's all about the money for them, they have no clue how to really run a modern football club. I bet we don't win the league anytime in the next ten years.
I mean ask yourself, how much do the Glazers, or Woodward watch football? What do they know about tactics, coaching, building squads? Nothing. Why should they get to chose managers? Look at Brentford, Brighton - their owners made their bones in sports betting, they know how to analyse, use data, see what works in sports. Our guys know how to do leveraged buy outs and milk money from them club, that's it.
Managing Ajax in the eredivisie is not the same as managing in the premier league. Taking over our players isn't the same as having their players play that style for years. Ten Hag is an excellent coach... but there's a lot of risk there that he just wouldn't adapt properly, or quickly, to the prem. Also strong likelihood he wouldn't want to leave mid season.
We have a squad that is built to win now, it doesn't make sense to bring in a full rebuild manager when the squad is built for success in the immediate 2-3 years.
Amazing when rivals fans speak so much more sense then United fans. Also for people saying Conte is a defensive manager, when he won the league with Inter last season, his team has the 2nd most goals in the league and the same when Chelsea won the league. Don't understand this defensive nonsense I've heard about him today
I watched a lot of Inter over the last 2 seasons due to all the ex-United players. They won because they had better players, but the football was never great. In the CL they got found out time after time.
I'd be tentatively happy to see Conte come in. I think he'll whip a few arses and get this squad playing to its strengths.
I'm now convinced we need to make a change sooner rather than later or this season is a write-off and CL football next year is in jeopardy. Thank Ole for his efforts and get a better manager in.
I'm now convinced we need to make a change sooner rather than later or this season is a write-off and CL football next year is in jeopardy. Thank Ole for his efforts and get a better manager in.
Yeah, people talk as if we are currently some ultra attacking team. We are just nowhere right now, not attacking nor defensive.
For instance, I think this squad would be suited to prime Jose, far more than what he inherited. Does that mean we are a defensive team? No.
Don Conte
Goals win you games, defence wins you titles.
Little something to do with the £40m we have them.
This season given that we're only at the quarter way mark, I've watched him run away with the league with less talent at Chelsea and Inter (the latter of which with Premier League also-rans) enough times to not doubt his tactical astuteness when it comes to winning titles.
He'd be a more than worthy foil for the likes of Klopp, Pep and Tuchel in the short term.
He wouldn't be another Mourinho given that he's still in the middle of his managerial prime/peak and coming off quite the high in ending Inters long drought. Just have questions regarding his record in Europe and how he would manage to deal with the circus show above him at the club but he wouldn't be a bad hire for the now.
I would still prefer hiring someone with the view of building a proper project long term though which is where someone like Ten Haag would be more preferable.
Not many in our current midfield roster that get anywhere near any of his former teams squads.
Hope so. The Mourinho part is less about his attitude, and more about spending lots of money on aging players. But we already have a pretty complete squad so he probably can't do too much damage ther.
I'm not sure why so many are overlooking Telles, he's perfect for a wingback role (Shaw will play in the hybrid).
He would have probably used Dan James for RWB if you still had him, as it is he'll probably go Dalot in the short term.
They could which is why I said that it's not impossible, I'm talking about what is ideal because people somehow think that we are a possession ready team and that someone like ten Hag is a shoo-in while someone like Conte would be a new shift, to me it's clear that it is the other way around. Also I'm more of a possession "fan", so I will always favor the ten Hag option but there is a difference between what I like and what is or should be. If we want continuity from what Ole and Murtough built then the likes of Conte/Zidane are the ideal candidates, ten Hag, Marsch, Rose or Seoane should be ideal in a couple of years and I will favor the younger candidates.
He's more of a fit than people realise.
He doesn't have a set formation, he adapts to the team. We could carry on playing 4231, or a 343/352 depending on rotation when he's given the time to drill us.
The most promising thing about Conte is that Chelsea had similar issues to us when he joined them, and his 343 turned them into a juggernaut.
His 343 doesn't need a DM. Maguire's lack of pace is protected. Shaw would be played LCB imo, to help playing out from the back. The forwards also aren't expected to track back so much as the wingbacks support them.
Only issue is that the wingbacks aren't perfect. He would bin Wan-Bissaka straight away that's for certain.
Conte was also the one who made Pogba into a star at Juve after he first left us. So he knows how to get the best out of him.
343:
de Gea
Varane - Maguire - Shaw
Dalot - Pogba/Bruno - Fred - Telles
Sancho - Ronaldo - Rashford
352:
de Gea
Varane - Maguire - Shaw
Dalot - VDB - Fred/McT - Bruno/Pogba - Telles
Cavani - Ronaldo
de Gea
Varane - Maguire - Shaw
Dalot - Pogba/Bruno - Fred - Telles
Sancho - Ronaldo - Rashford
352:
de Gea
Varane - Maguire - Shaw
Dalot - VDB - Fred/McT - Bruno/Pogba - Telles
Cavani - Ronaldo
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Let's see, compared to the other options -
- The Ajax manager - unproven elsewhere
- Rodgers - will play better than Ole, but he's not exactly one you go for trophies
- Howe - same as above, arguable credentials for managing a superstar squad
- Zidane - doesn't seem to be interested at all.
I would absolutely bet on Conte over all these options against the likes of Pep and Klopp. Newcastle are not relevant cause they won't be anywhere close to top4 in the next 2-3 seasons.
Do we really think that of Conte came in and looked at the squad. He'd think to himself right 3 at the back it is, I have three terrific CBs?
No of course he wouldnt. Hes got potentially very good wide players such as Sancho and Rashford. No way a manager as good as him wouldnt use players such as them and just bench them for a rigid formation. Hes italian, hes more than capable of coaching players in any number of formations. Tbh, I think he would stick to a 4231 but with a very well drilled team.
We have a very good squad, it doesnt require drastic change. Also does anyone really think utd would employ a manager who wouldnt get the best out of their £80mil winger I.e. Sancho? A guy we spent two seasons chasing? No chance.
No of course he wouldnt. Hes got potentially very good wide players such as Sancho and Rashford. No way a manager as good as him wouldnt use players such as them and just bench them for a rigid formation. Hes italian, hes more than capable of coaching players in any number of formations. Tbh, I think he would stick to a 4231 but with a very well drilled team.
We have a very good squad, it doesnt require drastic change. Also does anyone really think utd would employ a manager who wouldnt get the best out of their £80mil winger I.e. Sancho? A guy we spent two seasons chasing? No chance.
Don Conte
Ah! I'm in love!
This hiring would prove the club has learnt very little. He might bring us instant success for a bit though.
Conte's record in Europe is pretty meh so wouldn't expect us to have any kind of real success there. Inter finished 4th in a group of Real, Borussia Monchengladbach and Shaktar Donetsk, winning only 6 points which is just poor. Dont remember him being successful in CL with Chelsea or Juve either and pretty sure he couldn't get past the group stages with Juve in one or two seasons neither. He's obviously great manager and a improvement on Ole.
Thats because he has no hair and is fraudulent.
Do you think he's suited to our current squad though? We have too many stars in attack, and he'll have to handle some of those egos as well.
And like you said, I'm not sure how he likes his midfield. But I don't think he'll like what we have - McFred, VDB and an old Matic. Pogba might stay if he comes though.
Yeah Adama would be great. Another one, and I'm not sure if he'll make it, but I think Chong would excel as a LWB. Conte has also moved box to box mids to wing back, like Asamoah and a couple others, and possibly Fred could do that role. However, I just can't see any of our wingers being suitable...possibly Lingard but even him I'm no longer really convinced. Sancho, Rashford, Greenwood, Martial don't have it in them.
The only arguments against him are his CL record and the alleged "toxicity" surrounding his tenures.
He's a winner, PL proven, recently won a major trophy.
No brainer really.
He's a winner, PL proven, recently won a major trophy.
No brainer really.
Another thing that has to be said about Conte at Inter - beating Juventus was a HELL of a task, but he used a few Manchester United players to do it. He clearly watches us closely. I can imagine he would already have a plan in place for what to do with our squad, let alone our first 11.
Which would be much better than what we've got from Ole the last 3 years.
Do we need to wait 3 years to win trophies with a new manager every time? I get where you are coming from, but honestly we need to win something with this squad. We last won something of significance in 2013 mate....
The new manager should be expected to deliver the PL or the CL in the next 2 years. I'm afraid we'll lose our star players if we don't win things.
Depends what is meant by instant success. If he delivers a Champions League it would be worth it even if it all goes to pot next season. If he goes on a run of 11 wins out of 13 before poor form returns then it’s no different to Ole.
Yeah, I admit I have no clue how he’d pick from all those attacking players you have. Ronaldo really complicates it even more. Ironically, Cavani is the picture perfect Conte forward and the idea of him up top with runners like Rashford alongside him and wingbacks bursting forward would be scary.
Who should we be getting instead, considering who appears to be available? If we had a go at unearthing a (relatively) unknown gem like Potter or Frank it could pay off but it could fall apart just as easily. Conte's credentials are good, it looks the most logical move for us as far as I can see right now.
Norwich will run over that midfield.
They aren't those types of wingers, they're front 3 players and that's it. Which is fine. Don't need to do anything crazy. Use players where they are suited to play. We have 6 players to seriously rotate for the front 3, between Bruno, Ronaldo, Rashford, Sancho, Greenwood and Cavani, so might as well rotate them.
We've got a team that should win something, so whoever we hire should be winning a trophy this season in my opinion, no waiting a few years. I just worry about Conte's style and how he'd leave the squad. once he's done.
The Europa League is something of significance. We've only got a handful of European trophies in our history, we can't stick our noses up at them.
Why are we still in love with long term managers?
The SAF and Wenger days are well and truly gone. We need a DOF who oversees transfers and bring in managers who
fit our criteria of football. If we sort that out then we can get managers in who might be here 2 years or 6 years it won’t matter and we don’t have to worry about how long managers last. We ain’t getting a 20 year manager ever again forget it!!!!
The SAF and Wenger days are well and truly gone. We need a DOF who oversees transfers and bring in managers who
fit our criteria of football. If we sort that out then we can get managers in who might be here 2 years or 6 years it won’t matter and we don’t have to worry about how long managers last. We ain’t getting a 20 year manager ever again forget it!!!!
Yeah the thing is if we're going to play Contes 343 rather than 3142, then you need two DMs, which means no Pogba or VdB or Lingard. You also missed out Martial. We basically have 10 attacking players, and can't really play more than 3 or 4 of them at a push if Pogba/VdB can adjust to a DM role..
I think it will be a very knee jerk kind of move. He is an awesome manager, but his preferred formation being 3-5-2, the squad currently assembled will have to be dismantled, some key players sold and some key players bought. I don't think the club would invest that heavily and will end up giving him only half of what he wants and with so many big names he doesn't want. In other words, we will frustrate him and piss him off and try to force him to play a football style he doesn't like.
I think it will be as messy affair overall.
I think it will be as messy affair overall.
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