Conte would not be shy about hurting an aging Renaldo's feelings if he didn't play the way he wants. Completely agree about Cavani.
Would you take Conte at United?
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Conte would not be shy about hurting an aging Renaldo's feelings if he didn't play the way he wants. Completely agree about Cavani.
City laid the groundwork for Guardiola for the long term. I don't believe that term necessarily means 10-20 years, but he's been there for nearly seven and that's fecking long. Similar with Klopp.
Why? We have Telles and Dalot? I’m sure Bissaka might find life tricky but Shaw can be a LWB or easily become a LCB.
Sure Dalot would probably need replacing at some point but I don’t see much changes required than what we expect to be happening in the next few seasons. Haaland and Rice in the summer, some leave maybe a RWB unless either Bissaka or Dalot start pulling up trees.
Couldn't care less about this season, it's already over. As long as he can establish a system and how we can play, the real go begins next season for us. We should, though, push hard for at least the CL and FA cup for at least some mediocrum of success.
Eh, its a midfield that doesn't work with a back 4 formation sure but one that is probably fine with a back 3. Like all formations, it needs coaching. Whether that is moving Bruno into midfield to make it a 3 with Pogba and Fred (or put Matic in for Fred if you'd like), or putting Sancho in on the right, Rashford left and Cavani or Ronaldo central, there's enough balance there. Conte coached Pogba before, he knows how to handle him. He's the one who brought him to Juve after all. Conte would come in and coach the back line, the wing backs, the midfield and the attack how to play as a unit and what sustem he wants. Player wise, we're more than fine to have what he wants IMO, and if Pogba doesn't work in there, then Conte will have no problem replacing with who he needs.
Back to LvG -Mourinho level of 0-0 matches.
Guess it's better than 0-5.
Guess it's better than 0-5.
People are going to turn on him really quick. He's not the right guy. Most of you were crying about Mourinho and even LVG. Wait till you see this guy with his boring football and 5 at the back. If you want sexy football and want to see us hammering every team 4-0 we need to go for Ten Hag.
Yeah good points, but I feel a bit of sunken cost fallacy. I mean, we overpaid for Maguire. So there is no chance whatsoever that he could somehow turn it around (never sounds too mean, make it very unlikely). Varane just joined the club, he signed and won't leave the club would the project change. Pogba is out of contract and is demanding supposedly 400k per week. Are we really wanting to pay him that? Is the question who the manager is a factor in answering that question? And since when is Fred brought up when talking about the leading figures in our squad?
So all in all, I totally get your point, I could certainly live with Conte and I think, he could achieve great things. But, like so often in the last years, it appears to me as the easiest choice. The most obvious choice. It brought us LVG, Mourinho, Pogba, Ole permanent, Maguire, AWB, Sancho, Ronaldo. All those moves seemed so easy at the time. As if the resonsible figures at the club were happy that public opinion could be used as a reason to do something. This doesn't resonate to me - for me life is balance and you have to suffer when making bad decisions and you will get rewarded for hard ones. Costly ones. And Conte seems to be too easy for us now. A new dawn, a new figure we could put at the front of the ship, leading the course. I'd like United to start some sort of Bayern approach, get stronger in the club department, increase influence of technical director and so one, introduce the coach as a vital cog within a machine, which wouldn't stop even fully if the cog gets exchanged.
I don't know, interesting times though, lets see what happens. I am definitely curious.
Last year, we have been relatively solid. This year we are without Varane in the worst games and we are really out of form, maybe due to trying to bed in new players. So even if I agree, we have to make sure to be way more solid than we are right now, the main problem for 5 years isn't defense. It is chance creation.
Didn't miss our Martial... just ignored him. No point mentioning him at this point with our options and not with Conte either. And it's not so much 2 DMs when you have a 3-4-3. You have more room for an adventurous midfielder than using a 2 in a back 4 formation. You have an extra center back who can push up and essentially make it a 3 in midfield where Pogba is a more advanced midfielder. Balance wise it'd be fine.
Great, I can’t wait.
We fail to field a single DM currently.Does his formation really need two DM’s with three at the back as well as fullbacks?
My biggest worry is his CL record. Is there any explanation for why that’s so bad?
His full backs are basically a 4-4-2 wingers.Great, I can’t wait.
Does his formation really need two DM’s with three at the back as well as fullbacks?
Yep I'm seeing it more recently where one of the wingbacks is an outright a winger. Simeone does it too with Carrasco. I only see it happening once the team is well drilled though.
Because most of those players aren't particularly good? LWB possibly okay but Shaw has never played the role consistently and Telles hasn't shown much here yet. RWB would be a massive concern.
So did Bayern with Nagelsmann even as they had a sextuple winning manager. Serious clubs do this sort of long term planning and the serious clubs that don't necessarily do the long term game, instead go for the best available like Chelsea to maximize potential successes.
I would describe Barella and Brozovic as 8s more than DMs. And long term we shouldn't care much about Pogba as long as he isn't extended. Conte could easily play with a combination of Bruno, McTominay, Fred, Pogba or VDB in midfield. It's also worth mentioning that none of these players are ideal for a balanced 4231 or 433 which brings the fact that Conte has also used a 4312 which on paper is a better fit for these midfielders.
But you noticed that currently we don't have the team for a perfectly balanced starting XI, that's a point that can be made for all managers whether we are talking about a 433, 4231, 343 or 442.
Reading this post for the umpteenth time and I still don't understand how have you come to a 'no brainer' conclusion.
Great, I can’t wait.
Does his formation really need two DM’s with three at the back as well as fullbacks?
Well at Chelsea he left Fabregas on the bench for Matic-Kante..
Pogba played under Conte at Juve, no?
It's a shame. I would have liked to have seen his plans for Pogba under him, and Ronaldo & Varane being here too but ah well it's not to be.
Yes there is. He lost games.
Ole was a weird one where I think Molde didn't extend his option s he did well for us as interim boss.
LvG, Mou and Moyes were out of contract.
Compared to present day Mourinho he's prime Wenger style wise and prime Capello tactically.
I'd love this to be another case of us enjoying a player/manager in their prime while a competitive rival has the washed up version but unfortunately I can't see it happening this time.
Bruno is also kind of an issue with Conte’s usual setup. In a pre-CR7 world I think he’d have lined up with Cavani up top, Rashford left, Sancho right, and Pogba next to a midfielder who dominates huge areas of the pitch and snuffs out danger (like Kante or Declan Rice). There’s not really an obvious spot for your two best players in a Conte team.
I was pointing to a certain point in his post regarding Conte's way of dealing with contract renewals. I didn't talk about his relationship with Pogba.
As for the title, I actually do indeed have no doubt in my mind he'll win us the league within 2 years. I'm ready to bet whatever you want on it.
I know. But that’s clearly not how he reacts every time a player asks for a contract. As I said, it wasn’t aimed at you as much as every other post saying something along the lines of ‘at least he’d boot Pogba out’.
I’m not a bookies. I’m sure if you’re that confident you can get better odds than anything I can provide. People said the same thing about Jose.
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Sky sports are reporting that Sky Sports Italy have claimed United have contacted Antonio Conte.
Sky sports are reporting that Sky Sports Italy have claimed United have contacted Antonio Conte.
So if you would be kind enough, could you please point me to the time when Conte actually orchestrated meltdowns like Mourinho and threw his players under the bus. Just once in his career, please.
He actually left every club because of lack of ambitions, which is something United surely won't be. Inter just decided to sell of two best Serie A players in their positions. Chelsea never wanted to give him a role somewhat similar to what Klopp has at Liverpool, where he would get much more say in transfers. Juventus is Juventus, they were way to cheap, back in the day and he didn't want to take it anymore.
His players go through bricks for him. And he doesn't spout shite on them when they lose. He really is the opposite of Mourinho in many things.
Conte was Pogba's first manager after he left us. He was the one who made Pogba a star at Juve.
To the bold, yes in his 3142/532. My post specified that if he instead goes for the 343 he used at Chelsea. Either way, we're going to be leaving 6 or 7 attacking players out.
You're right, our squad is horribly unbalanced no matter what formation. 2 or 3 attacking players too many, 2 or 3 defensively capable players short.
Not convinced he's the right man at all albeit an upgrade to Ole. I think we'd need anither squad overhaul under him which we could do without at the moment
Conte dominated Serie A and reached CL finals with one of the players in our midfield roster.
Same thing was said about Klopp not being as experienced as Mourinho or Pep not having proved himself outside Barca a brilliant setup.
some of us when we look at both teams( inter and Ajax) wewould rather United play like Ajax.
By the way players like Sancho, VDB, Rashford, Greenwood, Mejbri, Shaw, Lindelof, Henderson, and Martial when he is bothered are built for that kind of football. The others can adapt or be shipped out. Same as they have to adapt to Contes wingback football.
The bigger and more important question is what style of football are we trying to play?
Hiring managers because of their medal collection is not a good idea and if you do, there is none better than Zidane at this stage.
In the 352 not the 343. Christ cmon people.
https://www.skysports.com/transfer-centre
Reporting that United have made contact with Conte.
Could happen quickly. No way there's a chance for Ole if we're contacting a Manager.
Reporting that United have made contact with Conte.
Could happen quickly. No way there's a chance for Ole if we're contacting a Manager.
No it doesn't at all. His 343 he played at Chelsea doesn't even need one DM. It actually suits us.Great, I can’t wait.
Does his formation really need two DM’s with three at the back as well as fullbacks?
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Terrible decision if they’re looking to appoint him. Fits nothing at all to do with the club. Gross.
I'm sure that he'd start dismantling the team in the summer to fit his preferred tactics, but so many of his former players say that he's one of the best tacticians in the game. I'm pretty sure that he would find a way of getting these current players playing much better than what we've seen so far.
I don't know much about his supposed issues with players and clubs. Is he as bad as Mourinho or is he just a hard ass? Sir Alex wasn't exactly an angel but the players always gave everything for him.
I'd rather not Conte but we've made this situation for ourselves when we didn't make proactive decisions when Poch and Tuchel were available. Whatever you think about Poch, after Spurs his stock was high and he seemed like a manager on the up. I'm not letting anyone's spell at PSG define them.
But what a lot of fans have to realise is they can put this idea of a manager coming in and creating a dynasty to bed. Whenever we win our next big trophy, it may well just be that, winning A trophy. It's important we celebrate and enjoy that to the max, rather than thinking it'll be the beginning of something special again.
I'd love a Ten Hag to come in and build something special, play some amazing football and win some trophies, it just feels less likely right now.
But what a lot of fans have to realise is they can put this idea of a manager coming in and creating a dynasty to bed. Whenever we win our next big trophy, it may well just be that, winning A trophy. It's important we celebrate and enjoy that to the max, rather than thinking it'll be the beginning of something special again.
I'd love a Ten Hag to come in and build something special, play some amazing football and win some trophies, it just feels less likely right now.
So something I didn't see anyone bring up yet, but Inter were the second highest scorers in Serie A last year.
3rd across the top 5 leagues combined.
6th in xG across the top 5 leagues behind Lyon, PSG, Barcelona, Atalanta, Bayern.
3rd across the top 5 leagues combined.
6th in xG across the top 5 leagues behind Lyon, PSG, Barcelona, Atalanta, Bayern.
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