Would you take Conte at United?

[WeePat]

Ok, wasn't sure how he is regarded by Chelsea fans. Personally I rate him as one of the best managers in the world and would be delighted if we appointed him.

He was highly regarded in our fanbase. Still is.

 

[Orc]

I'm curious about what type of style and players we have? Because we don't have the possession type, we don't have the highly technical, mobile type and we don't have the high press type. At least those are not trait that define this team as a whole. I think that there is a big difference between what people think we have and what we actually have, we have a team that is mainly built for a low block and fast breaks that's exactly Conte, that's what Ole tried to develop but failed to do.

If anything if we were to bring someone like ten Hag or Guardiola, this team would have to work a lot more to fit the mould. I think that they could because we don't really have strong specialists but it's not their current game.

You have the type of squad that the Mourinho of 10+ years ago would have as runaway title winners.

 

[Bebestation]

My main concern is we're very winger/wide forward heavy, our best players are wide players and Conte plays without wingers

Greenwood/Rashford could get a game upfront potentially but Sancho is in trouble.

I think Sancho is okay because he did use Pedro as a RW/RF.

Infact it might get Sancho becoming the player we want him to be.

The player I worry most about is Bruno.

I dont see the CAM fitting.

 

[Dennis Viollet]

Here we go

 

[Sviken]

As a club we've tried transitioning to a more attacking club that puts emphasis on promoting the youth. .

Ok, what the feck are you talking about here? Promoting youth? When was the last time Ole played a youth player? Aside from Greenwood, we haven't promoted anything despite the promising youngsters waiting for a chance. The entire team is older than 27 years. If anything, Mourinho probably managed a younger squad than Ole and that's saying something.

 

[Majima]

My main concern is we're very winger/wide forward heavy, our best players are wide players and Conte plays without wingers

Greenwood/Rashford could get a game upfront potentially but Sancho is in trouble.

Conte plays without wingers? You're talking rubbish. Have you never heard of his title winning Chelsea team?

 

[JPRouve]

My main concern is we're very winger/wide forward heavy, our best players are wide players and Conte plays without wingers

Greenwood/Rashford could get a game upfront potentially but Sancho is in trouble.

Sancho is in as much trouble as Hazard was or as much trouble as when he played in a 343 for Favre. Our team is poorly constructed and we are wide forward heavy regardless of the formation we pick, what you say applies to a 433 which is ten Hag's and Zidane's favored formation and we don't really have the midfielders to play a traditional 442. So several wide players will be on the bench until we sell or let some go.

 

[Flytan]

I think Sancho is okay because he did use Pedro as a RW/RF.

Infact it might get Sancho becoming the player we want him to be.

The player I worry most about is Bruno.

I dont see the CAM fitting.

To be fair not many modern formations fit it in do they? I think with how he plays he'd struggle to fit into most teams unless he evolves a bit

 

[the_cliff]

All that only under the premise that we have to put players like Varane and Ronaldo on top of any mission. They joined this club 20 minutes ago. I understand the notion but going for short term success too early doesn't seem to be a good idea to me. Our squad isn't ole in the slightest. Obviously I'd like to challenge for honors now but not at the cost of a more longterm oriented plan. The club comes first and even if it would take Ten Haag some time to implement a system, we would reap the rewards probably for longer than going for Conte now and at least risk the development of quite a few of our youngsters. Conte is going for success which is great but there needs to be some sort of route for our talents as well.

Don't want to picture Conte as bad or anything, nor Ten Haag as great, but this is a decision that should be taken having long-term as a priority.

I do agree with your suggestion of Ten Hag and him taking time to implement his system and it may well be worth it for the long term despite him not yet being proven managing a massive club like United. The problem with Ten Hag and the current squad for me is let's say Ten Hag does take 2-3 seasons to implement his style, we'll also need a good amount invested in new players as the majority of our team are ready to win now, the core of our team, Maguire (28), Varane (28), Pogba (28), Bruno (27), Fred (28) are very much in the prime of their careers now, convincing them to go through another rebuild stage will be a bit of a long shot. I'm not saying I wouldn't recruit Ten Hag but from the boards perspective you can understand why they'd have reservations considering the amount invested in these players. Now, if we could look back in retrospect it would have been better to have gone for a Ten Hag type manager after Mourinho as to completely rip up the fundamentals of the team and start from scratch. However, us going for Ten Hag and going through another rebuild/implementing a system stage will basically show our boards incompetence and the fact that we wasted 450m worth of funds and 3 years with a subpar manager.

I, personally am torn between the two. But, I'm leaning more to Conte just for the fact that I don't want the last 3 years of squad building and investment to go to complete waste.

 

[Mike Phelan's Former Tash]

I can recognise that he's a really good manager but I don't like his taste in players and his champions League record is poor if I recall correctly.

 

[JPRouve]

You have the type of squad that the Mourinho of 10+ years ago would have as runaway title winners.

That's what I think but several of my fellow fans seem to see a Barcelona-like team(I'm exaggerating) which is baffling. We don't have the ideal squad for a possession manager, it wouldn't be impossible but not ideal.

 

[Dante]

Here's what Ashley Young said about Conte:

"I want to win trophies, I want to win titles and with a manager like that, you want to go out there and fight for him."


Sounds like Fergie. I think players like Ronaldo, Bruno and Pogba would love him. I don't think Ole has any respect from the players at the moment. They consider him a bit of a joke and not a winner.

Who exactly did Conte fall out with at Chelsea and Inter? I know Hazard was one.

By the sounds of it, Young was the right personality to get along with that kind of ego-maniac manager. But does that make Conte a good fit for this United squad?

If past form is anything to go by, Pogba is maybe a bit too strong willed and Martial a bit too weak willed for his kind of iron fist management style (as shown under Jose).

Would Ronaldo, Sancho,Shaw or Bruno get rubbed up the wrong way? I reckon Rashford and Greenwood would probably be the most amenable to accepting bullshit without question. But we'd obviously need more than two players to make a team.

 

[Chesterlestreet]

Your reading too much into the word recover.

Perhaps.

Part of the "recovery" will forever be non-tangible, I suppose. Depends entirely on what happens next, you could say.

(In terms of playing staff, the facts are right there. Will Ole leave behind a better/worse squad than José? To me, at least, the answer to that is bloody obvious).

 

[mancan92]

Conte is like Mourinho is that he's all about conflict. In particular with his bosses. Its the polar opposite of what we want.

People HATED that Mourinho never shut up about what he needed, and now people want more of the same

No people cared about Mourinho throwing the players under the bus. Also the main point is we got a pasted it Mourinho. Not a prime one. Conte is in his prime so it's completely different.

 

[Rajma]

With the open arms. Ha that’s a different thread.

 

[Caesar2290]

Ok, what the feck are you talking about here? Promoting youth? When was the last time Ole played a youth player? Aside from Greenwood, we haven't promoted anything despite the promising youngsters waiting for a chance. The entire team is older than 27 years. If anything, Mourinho probably managed a younger squad than Ole and that's saying something.

Mate, I'm talking about the vision and direction of the club. I didn't say Ole was doing it.

We restructured our whole academy from top to bottom. Everyone and their dog knows we have some of the most exciting talents in the country coming through. The fact that Ole doesn't have a system to help the youth is a different discussion.

The idea is that our current board(Murtough and Fletcher) can see this as well. Last thing they want to do is appoint another manager who will ignore this.

I believe this is also the reason why we don't hear any more murmurs about the potential replacements for Ole. For once our board(not Woodward) is acutaly thinking who to get in. Usually the press would be awash with briefs that we're in talks with manager x or y. But the silence right now make me certaint that we are in talks with someone who can take on our club long term.

 

[VanDeBank]

In a 343:

de gea

Awb. Maguire. Verane

Fred VDB
Sancho Shaw
Bruno

rashford Ronaldo​

I think we could afford to play Sancho on the right considering how good awb is defensively. That team would be tough to beat and still had the attacking talent to score goals. Could easily swap Fred/McTominay or Rashford/Greenwood depending on who you prefer.

​

AWB has a lot to learn to play that role. He's not a good defender. He doesn't understand how to play in the zone and he frequently lifts offside, nor is he a good header.

 

[Flytan]

Who exactly did Conte fall out with at Chelsea and Inter? I know Hazard was one.

By the sounds of it, Young was the right personality to get along with that kind of ego-maniac manager. But does that make Conte a good fit for this United squad?

If past form is anything to go by, Pogba is maybe a bit too strong willed and Martial a bit too weak willed for his kind of iron fist management style (as shown under Jose).

Would Ronaldo, Sancho,Shaw or Bruno get rubbed up the wrong way? I reckon Rashford and Greenwood would probably be the most amenable to accepting bullshit without question. But we'd obviously need more than two players to make a team.

Pretty sure hazard has since then taken a some blame away from Conte and said that he didn't act the best, but yeah, I agree, it's risky, but every appointment will have risk.

Bruno and Shaw are the two I see that may not react well at all. Shaw because it's clear that the "be my friend manager" is his favorite.. Bruno could go either way. Pogba is probably leaving regardless.

If we were near the end of the season and not in a world cup year I'd probably have a few other guys ahead of Conte, but I think he's the best option for the current situation even with the risks.

Plus if he does blowup he's not afraid to walk away from money and shit talk the board

 

[Bebestation]

To be fair not many modern formations fit it in do they? I think with how he plays he'd struggle to fit into most teams unless he evolves a bit

Im scares because I dont want Conte to start fighting with the lad and selling him either.

As much as we laugh about it now - it could potentially happen with his type of history.

However I was checking Conte's transfer history (some good, some average, some shocking) - and he has bought some support strikers so I could see Bruno Fernandes being used there, but again - can we keeping choping and changing our front line just to give some players a run; I not sure.

A 352 fits Bruno in but drops 2 inverted forwards out of Rashford, Sancho and Greenwood, maybe all three if cavani stays (I also think Conte goes all in for Haaland).

A 343 flattens out our midfield, fits in two wingers but no CAM etc and other players go to the bench.

 

[Orc]

That's what I think but several of my fellow fans seem to see a Barcelona-like team(I'm exaggerating) which is baffling. We don't have the ideal squad for a possession manager, it wouldn't be impossible but not ideal.

With the exception of CR7 who won’t press (and probably can’t for a whole season at his age, tbf) you have a squad full of players who can at least increase the tempo and aggressively assert yourselves. Which I think Conte could certainly implement.

The trouble will be that he’ll have to make a Tuchel-like start and be able to instantly identify which players are right for his style. And then he’ll have to navigate a rough set of fixtures just to get within touching distance of the top 3.

For me you’ve already waited too long to sack Ole. Unless he goes today, maybe.

 

[Andersonson]

Conte cannot be trusted. Is he bald or not??

 

[JPRouve]

I'm pretty sure that Pogba and Conte liked each others, he also liked Allegri and likes Deschamps. Basically he likes italian managers.

 

[Sviken]

Who exactly did Conte fall out with at Chelsea and Inter? I know Hazard was one.

By the sounds of it, Young was the right personality to get along with that kind of ego-maniac manager. But does that make Conte a good fit for this United squad?

If past form is anything to go by, Pogba is maybe a bit too strong willed and Martial a bit too weak willed for his kind of iron fist management style (as shown under Jose).

Would Ronaldo, Sancho,Shaw or Bruno get rubbed up the wrong way? I reckon Rashford and Greenwood would probably be the most amenable to accepting bullshit without question. But we'd obviously need more than two players to make a team.

Hazard is an undisciplined bum, though. You can see him in Madrid. The equivalent would Luke Shaw, I guess. Pogba played under Conte. In fact, Conte was the one who gave him his first big break.

If anything I think the winners in this team like Ronaldo, Varane and Bruno would love Conte. Shaw, eh, it's hard to guess. He's one of the lazier players and would rather eat burgers than actually play football, so I don't know if he'll fit Rashford would probably be okay with the appointment. Greenwood, I don't know. He's gonna have to fix his problems real fast, if he wants to play under Conte. I don't see Fred having any problem with Conte, neither would AWB. Maguire... it's hard to tell. At any rate, it seems most of our players have given up on Ole. Even someone like Shaw is throwing shades which means they do not have any respect for the manager and that is a death sentence.

 

[Chesterlestreet]

With an open arms.

 

[Flytan]

With the exception of CR7 who won’t press (and probably can’t for a whole season at his age, tbf) you have a squad full of players who can at least increase the tempo and aggressively assert yourselves. Which I think Conte could certainly implement.

The trouble will be that he’ll have to make a Tuchel-like start and be able to instantly identify which players are right for his style. And then he’ll have to navigate a rough set of fixtures just to get within touching distance of the top 3.

For me you’ve already waited too long to sack Ole. Unless he goes today, maybe.

I think Conte will ask to wait until the international break to take control while he assesses the squad. We have an interim for a few games. Again the season can't really get worse so losing to city is probably expected anyways.

 

[bosnian_red]

I think Sancho is okay because he did use Pedro as a RW/RF.

Infact it might get Sancho becoming the player we want him to be.

The player I worry most about is Bruno.

I dont see the CAM fitting.

I think we'd just kinda rotate the front 3 between Bruno/Sancho, Rashford/Greenwoodn, Ronaldo/Cavani. Whether that's a 3-4-1-2 or 3-4-3, that's 6 players who I'm sure Conte would mix and match depending on fitness and opponent. Either that, or Bruno adapts to be a #8 (more than capable imo) and he competes with Pogba for that spot. Then the rest of the team remains pretty constant with the back 5 and Fred or Matic or McTominay next to Pogba or Bruno. It's essentially what Chelsea do anyway.

 

[Murder on Zidanes Floor]

For all the complaints about defence, that is what wins you titles.

 

[Majima]

Conte is like Mourinho is that he's all about conflict. In particular with his bosses. Its the polar opposite of what we want.

People HATED that Mourinho never shut up about what he needed, and now people want more of the same

Bore off. You're talking rubbish. Conte is a winner like how Mourinho used to be. Nobody hated Mourinho for that.

What people hated about Mourinho was his throwing players under the bus, his refusal to play youth, & play a system suited to the squad. Conte is the total opposite to that. He has no issue incorporating talented youth, & actually tries to make use of his inherited squad before asking for the world.

 

[Sviken]

Mate, I'm talking about the vision and direction of the club. I didn't say Ole was doing it.

We restructured our whole academy from top to bottom. Everyone and their dog knows we have some of the most exciting talents in the country coming through. The fact that Ole doesn't have a system to help the youth is a different discussion.

The idea is that our current board(Murtough and Fletcher) can see this as well. Last thing they want to do is appoint another manager who will ignore this.

I believe this is also the reason why we don't hear any more murmurs about the potential replacements for Ole. For once our board(not Woodward) is acutaly thinking who to get in. Usually the press would be awash with briefs that we're in talks with manager x or y. But the silence right now make me certaint that we are in talks with someone who can take on our club long term.

We don't have any system or vision. If we did, we wouldn't have appointed Ole in the first place. And if there was a vision of place behind the scenes, Ole would be forced to execute it. He hasn't played DVB once in any meaningful capacity. Our youth are rotting away on the bench, even in the Carabao cup, most of the players we've brought are in their prime. I don't know what vision you're seeing, but there is none. As far as the academy players, we've always had a good academy. But our academy is pretty much useless if the manager doesn't acknowledge it. LVG was the only manager we've had since Fergie that gave youth a chance.

 

[mu4c_20le]

If we were to get Conte now, it would probably end our pursuit for Ten Hag.

 

[frostbite]

I'd love to see Conte with this squad vs Pep, Klopp, Tuchel. So many great battles. So much passion. It will certainly be entertaining! I hope our owners can pull it! Conte obviously wants to come, which is very positive.

 

[liamp]

Yes, this is very true. We just need to make sure the club hire the right profile of players, so that hiring and firing managers won't result in a complete upheaval of the squad.

Or else go the classic RM way and just blast money on superstar players until they get it right.

Re: the bolded part, isn't that exactly what we've been doing?

 

[Tom Cato]

Bore off. You're talking rubbish. Conte is a winner like how Mourinho used to be. Nobody hated Mourinho for that.

What people hated about Mourinho was his throwing players under the bus, and his refusal to play a system suited to the squad. Conte is the total opposite to that. He actually tries to make use of his inherited squad before asking for the world.

That is a comment

 

[Dan_F]

Will be great then, will deal with Pogba's contract situation nicely.

I don’t want to pick on you specifically, because I’ve seen it posted on basically every page, but Conte was the one that signed Pogba at Juve and it’s well known that they have a good relationship.

It’s almost as annoying as the “he will guarantee us a title” talk.

 

[WeePat]

I'd love to see Conte with this squad vs Pep, Klopp, Tuchel. So many great battles. So much passion. It will certainly be entertaining! I hope our owners can pull it! Conte obviously wants to come, which is very positive.

It would be pretty epic, to be honest. Not that I want to it to happen, mind you. I'm perfectly fine with Ole.

 

[Castia]

Conte plays without wingers? You're talking rubbish. Have you never heard of his title winning Chelsea team?

3 forwards sure in 2017 but he's been playing with 2 strikers lately?

Lets say he does go with the 343 from Chelsea that leaves Bruno in the shit as well

 

[R.N7]

 

[Ixion]

For all the complaints about defence, that is what wins you titles.

Even our best attacking sides, 99 & 08, were full of hardworkers who ran up and down the pitch all day long helping out at both end. You can be an attacking side without having 4 lazy players not helping out at the back.

 

[pratyush_utd]

3 forwards sure in 2017 but he's been playing with 2 strikers lately?

Lets say he does go with the 343 from Chelsea that leaves Bruno in the shit as well

If he is successful then it doesn’t matter which player gets left out.

 

[frostbite]

It is very strange that so many people in this forum love Tuchel but they are afraid of Conte! These two are very similar.