Would you take Conte at United?

[bond19821982]

How on earth is that squad good enough for top 4.? It's absolutely miles behind ours.

Not really. Their squad is absolutely perfect for Conte 352 and he will just make them much better.

Son and Kane is as good as anyone in the league.
Regulion- Ndombele-Hojberg-Skipp-Royal isn't world class but is very decent.
Dier - Romero - Sanchez again is decent.

Big factor is Conte. The team will buy into his ideas. Mark my words, he will beat us to top 4 this season.

 

[Mr Smith]

A serial winner who demands transfers to win. He isn’t getting that until the summer so his excellence is diminished until he does. He doesn’t go in and make players great, he’s ruthless.
It’s shit timing all round from both parties

You've been caught in the Mourinho fallacy. Conte isn't Mourinho; he wants transfers, but he can win without them and his record shows that. He had a very limited budget at Juventus when he took them to an undefeated season in his first title win.

 

[Majima]

You can’t really rest your case on Molde seeing as they won two league titles and the Norwegian cup under Ole.

You don't know his history well enough then. The last trophy he won was in 2013. 8 years ago. His second stint, he had three years (16-18) before coming here, he won nothing. Whilst both of his successors at Molde broke club & league records winning trophies the immediate seasons after he left.

Molde are a chequebook club in Norway. Before he came here, the Molde fans actually wanted him replaced for three years he was there, citing the dull and uninspiring football and yo yo results.

https://www.aftenposten.no/sport/fo...aar-om-at-ole-gunnar-solskjaer-maa-faa-sparke

Norwegian article from 2019 says: "In Molde people have been wanting Ole to be sacked for three years, in Manchester they are so happy because he's their new head coach".

His Molde conceded a ton, 296 over 241 matches. Here are his side compared vs. league winners. Keep in context he had one of the best squads in Norway.

2016: Rosenborg (league winners) conceded 25 goals, Molde conceded 42
2017: Rosenborg (league winners) conceded 20 goals, Molde conceded 35
2018: Rosenborg (league winners) conceded 24 goals, Molde conceded 36

Sound familar by any chance?

So he wasn't this huge success at Molde at all.

 

[Redfrog]

If Spurs finish ahead of us, the board will look like proper idiots. But never mind, they are.

 

[Majima]

Someone on here said they have improved after he's left Molde

See above post too.

Yes they are much better.

In his second spell at Molde, 16-18:

He averaged 1.84 points per game over 118 matches.
Erling Moe is averaging 1.99 points per game over 112 matches to date.

 

[croadyman]

Not really. Their squad is absolutely perfect for Conte 352 and he will just make them much better.

Son and Kane is as good as anyone in the league.
Regulion- Ndombele-Hojberg-Skipp-Royal isn't world class but is very decent.
Dier - Romero - Sanchez again is decent.

Big factor is Conte. The team will buy into his ideas. Mark my words, he will beat us to top 4 this season.

Yeah I totally agree with you on that and Ole's biggest supporters will just say ah well least we have Europa League, ugh

 

[Infra-red]

If Spurs finish ahead of us, the board will look like proper idiots. But never mind, they are.

What else is new.

 

[croadyman]

You've been caught in the Mourinho fallacy. Conte isn't Mourinho; he wants transfers, but he can win without them and his record shows that. He had a very limited budget at Juventus when he took them to an undefeated season in his first title win.

Yeah I am gutted by this appointment and so will everyone be come end of the season

 

[Redfrog]

What else is new.

Water is wet

 

[Bepi]

You've been caught in the Mourinho fallacy. Conte isn't Mourinho; he wants transfers, but he can win without them and his record shows that. He had a very limited budget at Juventus when he took them to an undefeated season in his first title win.

Yeah, that’s it. I am not sure how and why that distorted comparison is so prevailing over here? He even worked in England already, so it should be pretty evident he is still in the ascending / longing period of his career … on the contrary, Mourinho was damaged goods since after his Madrid tenure, and had won all the biggest prizes in the game before then,

 

[amolbhatia50k]

Not really. Their squad is absolutely perfect for Conte 352 and he will just make them much better.

Son and Kane is as good as anyone in the league.
Regulion- Ndombele-Hojberg-Skipp-Royal isn't world class but is very decent.
Dier - Romero - Sanchez again is decent.

Big factor is Conte. The team will buy into his ideas. Mark my words, he will beat us to top 4 this season.

Barring those two, as you say, the rest is merely decent.

Of course Conte is miles better what we have and among the best in the world. But I'm skeptical if any manager can bridge the gap in quality and that too mid season. If he does it then fair play but it's a huge ask.

 

[superdonk]

You don't know his history well enough then. The last trophy he won was in 2013. 8 years ago. His second stint, he had three years (16-18) before coming here, he won nothing. Whilst both of his successors at Molde broke club & league records winning trophies the immediate seasons after he left.

Molde are a chequebook club in Norway. Before he came here, the Molde fans actually wanted him replaced for three years he was there, citing the dull and uninspiring football and yo yo results. The general feeling in Norway was that he kept his job due to his high profile.

https://www.aftenposten.no/sport/fo...aar-om-at-ole-gunnar-solskjaer-maa-faa-sparke

Norwegian article from 2019 says: "In Molde people have been wanting Ole to be sacked for three years, in Manchester they are so happy because he's their new head coach".

His Molde conceded a ton, 296 over 241 matches. Here are his side compared vs. league winners. Keep in context he had one of the best squads in Norway.

2016: Rosenborg (league winners) conceded 25 goals, Molde conceded 42
2017: Rosenborg (league winners) conceded 20 goals, Molde conceded 35
2018: Rosenborg (league winners) conceded 24 goals, Molde conceded 36

Sound familar by any chance?

No, because half of what you say is patently untrue. His tenure resulted in very significant profits for the club off of player transfers, causing rebuild after rebuild. He took a backyard club to multiple titles and established them as one of the best clubs in the country.

 

[bond19821982]

If Spurs finish ahead of us, the board will look like proper idiots. But never mind, they are.

Yeah, it's not news to me anyway. Leaving Conte out and sticking to Ole and going to chase Rodgers, Poch ,Ten Hag

Conte just agreed for 2 years. What harm would it create to try for 2 years? It should have been us

 

[passing-wind]

You don't know his history well enough then. The last trophy he won was in 2013. 8 years ago. His second stint, he had three years (16-18) before coming here, he won nothing. Whilst both of his successors at Molde broke club & league records winning trophies the immediate seasons after he left.

Molde are a chequebook club in Norway. Before he came here, the Molde fans actually wanted him replaced for three years he was there, citing the dull and uninspiring football and yo yo results.

https://www.aftenposten.no/sport/fo...aar-om-at-ole-gunnar-solskjaer-maa-faa-sparke

Norwegian article from 2019 says: "In Molde people have been wanting Ole to be sacked for three years, in Manchester they are so happy because he's their new head coach".

His Molde conceded a ton, 296 over 241 matches. Here are his side compared vs. league winners. Keep in context he had one of the best squads in Norway.

2016: Rosenborg (league winners) conceded 25 goals, Molde conceded 42
2017: Rosenborg (league winners) conceded 20 goals, Molde conceded 35
2018: Rosenborg (league winners) conceded 24 goals, Molde conceded 36

Sound familar by any chance?

So he wasn't this huge success at Molde at all.

Sounds like Solskjaer has regressed, he's got more resources available and when you consider the issues you've mentioned those are the same arguments fans are making concerning this current United side.

 

[passing-wind]

If Spurs finish ahead of us, the board will look like proper idiots. But never mind, they are.

The board looked ridiculous the moment the reports about Poch being a key target came out after which he was available for months on end and is now at PSG. I'll never understand the incompetence of the Glazers. They've had successes in sporting franchises, seems they lack common sense. Not to mention that Solskjaer is on a 3 year contract extension having done nothing to warrant it. If we are to look at how bad the owners are, we are going to struggle at a place to start.

 

[Infra-red]

Yeah, that’s it. I am not sure how and why that distorted comparison is so prevailing over here? He even worked in England already, so it should be pretty evident he is still in the ascending / longing period of his career … on the contrary, Mourinho was damaged goods since after his Madrid tenure, and had won all the biggest prizes in the game before then,

It's a strange one - there seems to be a prevailing idea that Conte and Mourinho are essentially carbon copies of one another, when actually there are some pretty significant differences.

Conte's sides are very focussed on building up from the back, while Mourinho couldn't care less about it. Conte generally selects three ball-playing CBs and a deep-lying playmaker, while Mourinho prefers defenders who excel in 1v1s. Mourinho declared all-out war on possession football over 10 years ago, while Conte is a known admirer of it. Conte believes in coaching attacking players in how to actually attack, with 11 v 0 training sessions designed to build "automatisms" into the attacking play, while Mourinho coaches attackers in defensive positioning but believes in leaving attacking players to find the solutions themselves in the final third.

The fact that Conte detests "little man" Mourinho might also be a cause for celebration among the many United fans who aren't so keen on our former Portuguese.

 

[Majima]

Sounds like Solskjaer has regressed, he's got more resources available and when you consider the issues you've mentioned those are the same arguments fans are making concerning this current United side.

I actually wouldn't agree he's regressed. I think it's more that this is just his level. Remember even the Molde fans wanted him sacked.

First spell at Molde, he averaged 1.85 ppm over 123 matches.
Second spell, he averaged 1.84 ppm over 118 matches.
Here, he's now averaging 1.82 ppm over 146 matches.

His stats here are almost identical to at Molde.

The time at Molde was similar to his time here; no-one was impressed by his tactics and team playstyle, but he won a sufficient amount of games due to a decent counterattack and individual performances from his star players.

 

[Redfrog]

The board looked ridiculous the moment the reports about Poch being a key target came out after which he was available for months on end and is now at PSG. I'll never understand the incompetence of the Glazers. They've had successes in sporting franchises, seems they lack common sense. Not to mention that Solskjaer is on a 3 year contract extension having done nothing to warrant it. If we are to look at how bad the owners are, we are going to struggle at a place to start.

To be honest, I lost all hope with what happened right now.
There was a WC coach available and we just let him go to Spurs.
Apparently, the right man has to come at the right time because you don’t want to be rude to Ole or whoever is in charge.

Now we are waiting for second class manager to get sacked when they are underperforming at the job they have right now (Poch, Rodgers) while our two biggest rivals have the 2 best managers in the business… Our noisy neighbor put everything in place to attract the best manager in the World while we are coached by a dude who is only there because he played for us…

That’s properly depressing stuff.

People saying we are spoiled and to be patient are deluded. Water doesn’t turn into wine just because you are waiting…

 

[Asger]

I would rather want to die.

 

[Adnan]

It's a strange one - there seems to be a prevailing idea that Conte and Mourinho are essentially carbon copies of one another, when actually there are some pretty significant differences.

Conte's sides are very focussed on building up from the back, while Mourinho couldn't care less about it. Conte generally selects three ball-playing CBs and a deep-lying playmaker, while Mourinho prefers defenders who excel in 1v1s. Mourinho declared all-out war on possession football over 10 years ago, while Conte is a known admirer of it. Conte believes in coaching attacking players in how to actually attack, with 11 v 0 training sessions designed to build "automatisms" into the attacking play, while Mourinho coaches attackers in defensive positioning but believes in leaving attacking players to find the solutions themselves in the final third.

The fact that Conte detests "little man" Mourinho might also be a cause for celebration among the many United fans who aren't so keen on our former Portuguese.

You're correct but they both have one thing in common, they both sacrifice attacking intent in numbers for defensive stability. Conte isn't a possession type of coach and Euro 16 is a clear of example of how he sets up in a low to mid block in a compact defensive structure. Conte's Italy ceded possession to every team he came up against with the exception of Ireland who were slightly worse.

 

[Garethw]

I actually wouldn't agree he's regressed. I think it's more that this is just his level. Remember even the Molde fans wanted him sacked.

First spell at Molde, he averaged 1.85 ppm over 123 matches.
Second spell, he averaged 1.84 ppm over 118 matches.
Here, he's now averaging 1.82 ppm over 146 matches.

His stats here are almost identical to at Molde.

The time at Molde was similar to his time here; no-one was impressed by his tactics and team playstyle, but he won a sufficient amount of games due to a decent counterattack and individual performances from his star players.

This is really really fecking depressing

 

[croadyman]

It's a strange one - there seems to be a prevailing idea that Conte and Mourinho are essentially carbon copies of one another, when actually there are some pretty significant differences.

Conte's sides are very focussed on building up from the back, while Mourinho couldn't care less about it. Conte generally selects three ball-playing CBs and a deep-lying playmaker, while Mourinho prefers defenders who excel in 1v1s. Mourinho declared all-out war on possession football over 10 years ago, while Conte is a known admirer of it. Conte believes in coaching attacking players in how to actually attack, with 11 v 0 training sessions designed to build "automatisms" into the attacking play, while Mourinho coaches attackers in defensive positioning but believes in leaving attacking players to find the solutions themselves in the final third.

The fact that Conte detests "little man" Mourinho might also be a cause for celebration among the many United fans who aren't so keen on our former Portuguese.

Yeah exactly and why the useless yankee leech scumbags couldn't see this I don't know, make no mistake you will see an improvement from Spurs within a few weeks much like happened with Klopp, Pep & Tuchel

 

[Infra-red]

You're correct but they both have one thing in common, they both sacrifice attacking intent in numbers for defensive stability. Conte isn't a possession type of coach and Euro 16 is a clear of example of how he sets up in a low to mid block in a compact defensive structure. Conte's Italy ceded possession to every team he came up against with the exception of Ireland who were slightly worse.

Yes, that's fair - Conte's sides are not high pressing and he is typically Italian (rather than German) in his desire for balance/stability in his team, which usually means retreating into a mid-low block when out of possession.

His teams are compact, but most (all?) top sides are now days. Guardiola's teams, for example, are always very compact vertically, but stretch the play laterally through wingers - Conte does similar, but via wingbacks.

I would definitely say Conte, in contrast to Mourinho, is a modern coach, while at the same time, still retaining some key elements of his Italian football identity.

 

[lex talionis]

I had no idea some Molde fans wanted some sacked. Nice work by our board.

 

[Adnan]

Yes, that's fair - Conte's sides are not high pressing and he is typically Italian (rather than German) in his desire for balance/stability in his team, which usually means retreating into a mid-low block when out if possession.

His teams are compact, but most (all?) top sides are now days. Guardiola's teams, for example, are always very compact vertically, but stretch the play laterally through wingers - Conte does similar, but via wingbacks.

I would definitely say Conte, in contrast to Mourinho, is a modern coach, while at the same time, still retaining some key elements of his Italian football identity.

Agreed. Whether you have your block, deep, mid-point or high, the block itself has to be compact. I think your assessment is fair.

 

[amolbhatia50k]

To be honest, I lost all hope with what happened right now.
There was a WC coach available and we just let him go to Spurs.
Apparently, the right man has to come at the right time because you don’t want to be rude to Ole or whoever is in charge.

Now we are waiting for second class manager to get sacked when they are underperforming at the job they have right now (Poch, Rodgers) while our two biggest rivals have the 2 best managers in the business… Our noisy neighbor put everything in place to attract the best manager in the World while we are coached by a dude who is only there because he played for us…

That’s properly depressing stuff.

People saying we are spoiled and to be patient are deluded. Water doesn’t turn into wine just because you are waiting…

Thing is, the ones who you state we are waiting for aren't even on Conte's level. So we're waiting for someone worse? Would they be a better fit than Conte, I'm not so sure.

 

[bond19821982]

I'm happy about one thing though. When we started the thread it was only 28-30 % who wanted to take Conte at United but that has gone up to 47 % now, thanks to our poor performances.

May be, with in next 18 months once people sees how Conte is going to change the Spurs team, our board could also be convinced that he is a right fit for us in 2 years. As always ,late by 2- 3 years.

 

[croadyman]

I'm happy about one thing though. When we started the thread it was only 28-30 % who wanted to take Conte at United but that has gone up to 47 % now, thanks to our poor performances.

May be, with in next 18 months once people sees how Conte is going to change the Spurs team, our board could also be convinced that he is a right fit for us in 2 years. As always ,late by 2- 3 years.

Yeah our yankee leech scumbags will be left with egg all over their faces

 

[Carolina Red]

Yeah our yankee leech scumbags will be left with egg all over their faces

Damn right. Go Red Sox

 

[yipthatman]

Nostaligia FC Bingo: Pick 3 words/phrases.

Fergie,
DNA,
Rebuild,
Pick-ourselves-up,
Nearly,
Unlucky,
Ref,
Legend,
1999,
Match-going-fans,
Next season,
Any name with IE or Y on the end,
When we get X position sorted,
Time,
Patience,
Journey,
Process,
Biggest club in the world,
Best supporters in the world,
Loyal fans,
More time.

Ching ching, we have a winner. The Glazers

 

[IncyWincySpider]

Spurs fans won't regret losing that game to us by the end of the season. Sad but true.

 

[wolvored]

We will struggle for top 6 I think. Conte will improve Spurs no end and with Arsenal and West Ham all showing good form as well, we will be in a 4 way battle for the 4th spot.

 

[Penna]

I'm closing this thread as the topic is now moot. Thanks.