His approach for the match and post-match-comments are such obvious reasons why we will never win any trophy under him.
Would you sack or keep Ole? (Poll reopened)
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Excellent post its mad at moment,
Wow. Clearly your no.1 priority is seeing Ole somehow survive rather than us actually play well or win games.
We absolutely parked the bus and had no chances. They should have scored at least 1. But they were crap and there for the taking. I doubt you'd see many teams not try for more if City play like zombies against them too.
I remember when we appointed him and I said that I hoped it was the right decision because, if not, getting rid of him will be incredibly tough. We're seeing that now. That fact that, yet again, were taking about him being under pressure says it all.
To all the Ole In posters, we don't want him out because we dislike him. That is ridiculous. But the fact that so many want him out should have alarm bells ringing for you all. It is that bad. He's a United legend and look at how much heat he is getting. A good manager, the right manager, rarely get themselves in this position (multiple times) without reason.
I realize you feel you have to reply to anything and everything, evenif you fail to grasp the point being made. The reaction I speak of is exactly what I say they are. Win, lose or draw. Marvelous performance are a sack of shite. Sunny days or rainy nights. Every single day posts and points in the tone of those I tried to casually reproduce (and not even make it over the top) are written in this and other threads.
If you haven’t seen any of the posts I was pointing to, you’re either blind or part of the problem. Based on your reply of “No, you misunderstand your own point”, I’m leaning towards the latter.
What, I haven't seen anyone claiming we're fighting for relegation ? Most people are angry about the ridiculous CL exit and the cowardly, negative approach we have taken in both matches against RB and City.
He’s so clearly not a Man Utd manager. You can’t set up playing for a 0-0 draw at Old Trafford, you just can’t, and he’s done it 3 times already this season.
Please just go!
Please just go!
Embarrassing second half
The Ole obsessives are so blindly positive it’s not even worth the argument. Anyone who understands football can see we’ll do nothing under him.
If you’re happy with a top 4 battle every year, negative football & never sniffing silverware, Ole is your guy.
This is why many fans wnat Ole Out, and these are Neville's words:
"I think Ole has to start dominating games. In the last 12 months, where Manchester United have won games it has been through two forms of tactics. It's either been counter-attack or it has been in moments - Southampton and West Ham, in recent weeks. They aren't what you would really call performances, driving the other team into the ground. They are playing in moments.
"They have to start playing as a team and perform. Today was 'OK', but it's not a tactic for Manchester United to win football matches in the long-term or to win titles. All the teams who win titles dominate football matches - dominating possession, being on the front foot and winning big matches. Ole hasn't got Manchester United there yet and he's been in the job two years.
"Last season was massive, finishing third. That was a big, big moment for him. But now he has to got closer to City and Liverpool and dominate matches. I don't see it at this moment in time. The performances I am seeing are not anywhere near good enough.
"I think Ole has to start dominating games. In the last 12 months, where Manchester United have won games it has been through two forms of tactics. It's either been counter-attack or it has been in moments - Southampton and West Ham, in recent weeks. They aren't what you would really call performances, driving the other team into the ground. They are playing in moments.
"They have to start playing as a team and perform. Today was 'OK', but it's not a tactic for Manchester United to win football matches in the long-term or to win titles. All the teams who win titles dominate football matches - dominating possession, being on the front foot and winning big matches. Ole hasn't got Manchester United there yet and he's been in the job two years.
"Last season was massive, finishing third. That was a big, big moment for him. But now he has to got closer to City and Liverpool and dominate matches. I don't see it at this moment in time. The performances I am seeing are not anywhere near good enough.
We just ignoring that Leicester & Southampton also have a game in hand?
In the “11 game league table” we’re 5th, behind Leicester and Southampton. Have we scored a goal at home yet?
There's too many to be tagging people. Today alone there's been coward, fraud, weasel and moron. The pe teacher stuff, the petty nicknames and comments about how he speaks and looks etc. It's all borderline disturbing when you think about it dispassionately. He's not even doing a terrible job and unlike predecessors is not doing anything but trying to put the club first and avoid the toxic stuff of a couple of years ago. I said hate was a part of it too, just a pretty ugly mess of rage, bitterness and lack of clear thinking. You don't have to look far
Chelsea hardly did anything against Liverpool and I don't need to rewatch. You said they exchange blow with Liverpool before the red card. The red card happened just on the stroke of half time and this was the stats for the first half. Chelsea 1 shot on goal( zero on target ) to Liverpool's 7 shots with 54% possession. That's hardly an ambitious showing.
Now let us look at Lampard's chelsea against us at OT this season. We had 15 shots on goal to Chelsea's 6(just one on target). The overall possession was shared but we dominated the ball in second half with 57% possession. Chelsea's best player that match was Silva and Mendy who made 2 wonderful saves. Again showing how lampard played for the draw and showed no ambition.
I am not going to pretend we are playing some great football and I have said it couple of times that today's performance was not great but it was not end of the world result. I do understand that you weigh more into performance than result which is fine but we all live in result oriented world.
Many neutrals were praising our game against PSG and many even daid we should have won but we lost. Our performance that day was better than today's but we lost and because of that we finished 3rd and will play europa. Trust me many would have taken a boring 0-0 that day. Performance and result should go hand in hand. And we cannot be naive when we play these important games.
I didn't say Chelsea created bucket loads of chances. I said Lampard had the intent to go out at Liverpool - and that was clear by how the game went out. Chelsea were trying to get at Liverpool rather than park the bus or just defend cautiously
This point is immaterial - as I said I have a gripe with this set-up in home games. Pointing to Chelsea games where they are away from home bares no relevance - they will see it as a point gained. As mentioned before they certainly tried harder to get at Spurs than we did against City (and that was after Spurs beat City 2-0 too).
Of course performances and results should go hand in hand. I see today as a good point but a bad result, which is why I had a gripe with the way we were set out. But our debate started with you suggesting there was some sort of media bias toward us when we set up when there clearly wasn't. BT Sport said many times they can understand why Ole was cautious but not Pep.
We are infront of City and closed down distance to Liverpool. It is fact. Just look at the table. I like Gary but he is wrong in this case.
Ole in. Love that baby faces cnut.
I do think the posts you are talking about really a minority, the type that you see on pretty much any football message board, but fair enough if it does disturb you to that extent. I think Ole deserves criticism and should expect it as the manager of United, but I do agree that just calling him a weasel or a moron is not helpful.
I love Neville but I dont care about his viewpoint on this. United under Ole has been the best I've felt about United since Fergie. That's not to say it couldn't be better mind, but the grass is always greener right?
You can and every Top manager have done that. From Ferguson to Lippi. From Anchelotti to Mourinho.
We just ignoring that Leicester & Southampton also have a game in hand?
In the “11 game league table” we’re 5th, behind Leicester and Southampton. Have we scored a goal at home yet?
It's hilarious seeing them them try and normalise how shite we truly are under OGS.
When did Fergie ever play for a 0-0 at Old Trafford?
It's pathological. People can try rationalise but it says more about the poster or at least the way they allow themselves to behave online.
Being a club legend absolutely shouldn't buy you time as a manager or lower standards, but being the guy who scored that goal in Barcelona alone, should place you above that bile that gets posted, you say in the minority, I say in pretty much every thread about him. It's very very weird and those posters can pretend it's not, but likely need to think a bit more clearly before posting
Yeah, everybody's wrong apart from you. Even his best mate has finally admitted what we are all saying.
The Ole obsessives will clutch at all the straws. We’ve got the “post lockdown league table” the “Bruno league table” & now the “game in hand table” I’m waiting patiently for the “if our shots that hit the post went in league table”We just ignoring that Leicester & Southampton also have a game in hand?
In the “11 game league table” we’re 5th, behind Leicester and Southampton. Have we scored a goal at home yet?
OK, who would you play instead of the starting line up with our squad today? We started with Fred, McT, Pogba, Fernandes, Rash, and Greenwood. City currently on 8th place, but we all know they're currently the best team in the league on their day if De Bruyne gets his room.
Another noteworthy thing: Pep played two defensive-minded CDMs, probably for the first time in PL for him. They took Fernandes out of the game, and we took De Bruyne out. Martial is out of form. Greenwood hasn't been in form this season (Yes, I saw his goal against Hammers), Rash hasn't been in great form (again, MOTM against Hammers, but still...).
Ole clearly is a Man United manager. That's a fact. Unless he got sacked while I'm typing this post. Sometimes it's about getting those dirty wins, but also saving the players. We're going in to X-mas with 5 matches in 17 days. If we pull out a string of games, we could be looking at a very nice table for us when we meet Liverpool in January.
Patience is the key - there's no way Ole will be sacked before we're clearly out of the CL race. As long as Ole is the manager, I'm gonna stand behind him.
Not just Solskjaer. The stuff written about us who still think he is man to lead us is lot to. If I am right It was even a post how we would let our partners be *** by Solskjaer and would still accept it. We are used to this kind of behavior by those who hate Solskjaer but you just let it pass by. No need to be angry at people that loves hating.
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I always find these possession stats and even shots on goal stats to be a bit meaningless. For example we had 59% of ball possession against Leipzig this past Tuesday and had 19 shots in comparison to their 9 but it means nothing as at the end of the day whole world was laughing at us for bottling a chance to progress.
Comparing spurs to city is weird. City are known to have more ball possession than spurs. So chelsea will naturally dominate the ball against spurs just like arteta did or just like any half decent side will against a jose side.But that doesn't mean their performance is good I know we.lost 6-1 but that result was an rarity and we were just not their that day. We had tons of possession under van gaal but doesn't mean our performance was any good. We looked toothless in most games.
Coming to today's game, repeating for 4th time yes we were not great going forward but this whole myth that city completely dominated is incorrect. It was a boring game between two sides who did not want to lose. I know you will now say but we are the home side well this season we have hardly looked great at home without fans so it has hardly been an advantage like you make it sound. I would have infact preferred to play away today. Home/away without fans become meaningless.
It’s the constant alternative league tables that blow me away, I mean, of course mention our game in hand, but just ignoring some teams above us also have a game in hand and trying to make out “we’re 3rd if we win ours” is just odd.
We’re 5th if we all win our game in hand, but if Villa win their games in hand, we’re 6th. that will suffice fellas.
If Villa win their games in hand and we lose ours, we’re 9th.
You missed good old days when we played for draw in CL.
It is there to see. Are we infront of City? Have we closed in on Liverpool looking at last year? It is not rocket science.
Away from home in knockout games? Yes, I remember. I never remember him setting up negatively at home.
Maybe "penalties only" league table ? A table that only counts goals scored from penalties and nothing else. I bet we'll be smashing this table!
So, what is the difference?
And Now, that there is no home advantage either?
No, he is not. Coming back from behind nearly every away game and an abysmal home form is unsustainable for a top 4 challenge. In fact you have been wrong more times today on this site than Gary Neville has in his whole life.
Rubbish. We never used negative tactics with SAF against so-called better teams, we attacked, we attacked Barca both times the best team in the world ever, we also attacked the Real Galacticos we didn't set up the team to destroy the other teams game like Ole and hope for a counter or a corner.
It's there to see what? We are 4 points of the top with another seven teams between us are they all going to lose? We are also 4 points of 14th. Closer to Liverpool than last year and in front of City? yes but not because we have improved, they have declined.
Fair enough. I'll just add that something can be in every thread and still be in the minority, btw
Coming back or not we got the points we got. Same as other teams.
You can write that 100 times and still it is not correct. Are we not infront of City? Haven’t we closed in on Liverpool looking at last year? In other words. Gary is wrong here.
I'm not trying to be funny, but I genuinely cannot work out what point you are making here. Not sure what you are accusing me of. Sorry!
That is bang on. We're capable of that, too. I see mid to lower table teams manage it.
Woodward needs to listen to this and realise that we can do so much better. It didn't need another £150-200m throwing at it. Once a manager proves they can get the most out of these players and its still not good enough, then reassess and let the right manager finish the project as he sees fit. Ole had a chance and he's treading water whilst desperately gasping for air.
Don't let it get to the stage where it gets ugly and supporters have to vocally turn on one of their own in the stadium or whatever. Save his reputation, thank him for the good he has done and ease him out of the club with his head held high and with a bit of positivity still intact.
Yes we did. Plenty of times.
If they declined I’m sure they all are sacking their managers soon. From Liverpool to City. Right? Or we can see it that league is tough and it is harder to win. Whatever you choose it still is that we are closer to Liverpool and infront of City.
Not you. Some of other posters
I see no point in carrying on this conversation.
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