Well he is small time, what do you expect. Thats who he is as a manager. Why dont people just accept it. He is who he is.
Would you sack or keep Ole? (Poll reopened)
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Something I don’t like is his tendency to straight up lie to the fans to spare himself, relieve the pressure on him and give himself some credit. Anyone can see that we’ve had far better performances against City under him, including three last season and even the 0-2 loss in 2018-19. This sort of thing and the way he set the team up will make them think it’s acceptable to play as they did last night.
Say what you want about Mourinho throwing players under the bus etc, but he never lied to the fans. When Ole does this, all it does it irritate people.
He literally said In his time, this is the best performance against City.
I get it if you want to criticize Ole if you think that we've had better performances against City under him, but atleast don't twist his words
We spent the entirety of last season behind chasing top 4. Always solving the probability of us winning and the other teams in top 4 losing. This season has been no different. We are still behind chasing top 4 and I'm still solving probabilities of us winning our game in hand and other teams above us dropping points. The team is capable of more than this. We should be the ones constantly in top 4 and other teams hoping for us to drop points.
I would reserve my judgement for now on whether we are actually making progress but if we are really going to spend much of this season talking about how we can get into top 4 then we have not made progress. Our next 5 games are easy and I expect us to be in a top 4 position by then
I would reserve my judgement for now on whether we are actually making progress but if we are really going to spend much of this season talking about how we can get into top 4 then we have not made progress. Our next 5 games are easy and I expect us to be in a top 4 position by then
He said in his time but even then I saw a better performance last season. He's the one that sets up the team though so maybe in this game he saw something that wasn't there before despite us actually beating them last season. Could also be another poor attempt to big up a poor showing by comparing it to the past
Some people need to back off. It's not that long ago when we were struggling against Astana and Rochdale and losing against Istanbul Basaksehir. A draw at home against the strongest team in Manchester is good enough for Ole. As Keane said, let's hope he wins some silverware like the Karabau cup and that's basically it. A great cup befitting the ambition of a great manager.
Give the guy a feckin break. A draw at home against City would be something to be celebrated at Cardiff or Molde. It's not Ole's fault that the club hasn't spend another 200m in the middle of a pandemic so we could maybe do better. We set Ole to fail.
Fair enough. I stand corrected.
Similar to his comments about being happy to even give Leipzig and PsG a game really.
I’m sure Ole is absolutely delighted with yesterday and sees it as progress to give City a game rather than concede all possession.
I want Ole gone. I think the season will inevitably turn to crap come February as we simply won't get lucky and be able to win games by scraping by. Ole Gunnar Solskjaer isn't even good enough to win an FA Cup, EFL Cup or Europa league never mind the big trophies.
How come he still has the support of 55.7%??? Apart from being a nice (but clueless) guy, what has he done to be treated special? With any other manager in the same situation (even Pep or Klop), with the same kind of dull boring football, the poll will be at least 60:40 against them. And if it was Mourinho, then it will be something like 90-10 at this stage.
He is definitely getting a very special treatment from the fans, from his pals the pundits and from the board as well and that too without having anything to show on his CV.
He is definitely getting a very special treatment from the fans, from his pals the pundits and from the board as well and that too without having anything to show on his CV.
After 11 games he’s on 20 points.
In Mourinho’s disaster season we had 20 points after 11 games, and we were through in CL.
This is what 310 million buys you, progress innit.
Following on from a Mourinho meltdown is a dream ticket for a United manager, half our fans seem to think Ole took over a side that was battling relegation.
In Mourinho’s disaster season we had 20 points after 11 games, and we were through in CL.
This is what 310 million buys you, progress innit.
Following on from a Mourinho meltdown is a dream ticket for a United manager, half our fans seem to think Ole took over a side that was battling relegation.
And Pogba is still a liability, Martial is still bang average and moody. Actually, I can’t even imagine our situation without Bruno in this team. scary...
I actually not saying anyone in this thread is wrong. It’s not that I blindly think that Ole is the right manager either. But this thread also got a lot of reactions all the time. Reactions from both camps tbf.
I am sorry if stupid is a word I have used. I don’t think passion is stupid and reactions is passion.
Sometimes great things take time. Sometimes you have to make big and small adjustments to get there. The big ones are hard to do. I want to see Ole get this season, but again, I am not sold on that he can or will make it on that level we should be.
Ole still got 55.7% support, I am wondering if there is any chance for this poll to be rigged? May be people at the top doesn’t want the mood totally against him until they decide to sack him?
Agreed. Some of them even spend entire summers pretending to be ITK in Transfer forum threads.
I think you agree that both camps react a lot to anything concerning Ole and our matches. That includes me.
I am a proper muppet, that must be said. We should not start discussion that in here, but if you do fancy it, send me a pm
Also I am not going down that road ever again 
Is that you, Donald?
The fact is - no one will ever know how Nigel Adkins would have done at Southampton. He created a really talented squad, and they had a horrible start to the season with 4 points from 10 - and if Southampton had fired him then - no one could have complained.
But they didn't and Adkins turned it around - they picked up 18 points from the next 12 games and only 2 defeats - and strangely enough, that was then they fired Adkins. Did the results improve under Pochettino ? In that season, absolutely not. They were 15th with 22 points when he took charge, and ended 14th after picking up 19 points from 16 games.
Southampton would have survived with Adkins as manager - and Southampton were wrong to fire him when they did
I turned off as soon as the match ended last night so missed the post match interviews. Did ole really try to convince us that that wa sour best recent performance v city, despite beating them home and away last season.
If so he's got to go. Moyes levels of mouth shit.
If so he's got to go. Moyes levels of mouth shit.
And if people wrote messages like you - we wouldn't have this toxic athmosphere. But they don't.
Yea, was expecting this.
I don’t think, I know. Forget the two brilliant performances last season and the 0-1 Carabao win, even our 0-2 loss in 2018-19 was better because we showed real attacking intent there. And if he means defensively, that is bullshit too because we won 2-0 last season and as far as I remember, gave City 0 real chances. Last night, a Manchester United team set out for a 0-0 draw at home to the noisy neighbours. He is now resorting to lying to the fans to give himself credit and relieve some pressure. It is frankly revolting and disgusting.
Every season we give Ole is another year thrown away. There will always be some excuse as to why he deserves more time. However, it is almost certain that he does not have what it takes to win. He does not have a style of play or isn't capable of communicating that message to the players. There's no point in letting the sand run down with him, that much is clear and this whole situation is a great example of horrible management on every level in an organization.
That PL season were far less competative.
And we didnt have as competative CL group either.
Less shit you mean. https://www.premierleague.com/tables?co=1&se=210&ha=-1
Line 2. Absolutely we did, or well, not far too off with Valencia and Juve.
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Had 20 points after 11 games with Moyes in charge as well. We’re still pretty much same team we’ve always been post SAF.
Jesus, did we? Kin ell.
This week has been a real dampener for me, as it’s become crystal clear that Ole has no intentions of trying to squeeze the most he can out of this squad.
He’s pragmatic and happy to be in the top 4 mix and show “progress”. I think our squad is gonna be too good and he’ll never lose the dressing room like Mourinho, so it’ll be a long drawn out process of us going nowhere.
This week was a great opportunity for us to get through a tricky Champions League group by going to Germany and showing them that we are a better side, and then taking a game to a struggling City side at home. Maybe it could have been a catalyst for a semi-challenge in the league.
Instead we were so delighted just to sit back and do nothing in both games.
He then won one of the next 6.
yup
Fair enough. I'll just add that something can be in every thread and still be in the minority, btw
Of course its in a minority though. Its not an election with a 50:50 choice, this forum has thousands of sub discussions and conversations that go on tangents. Yet this type of thing is common enough to be noticed pretty much everywhere
Welcome to the thousand year regime.
Wish you a happy ole out, ole in discussion.
May the forces be with you.
Wish you a happy ole out, ole in discussion.
May the forces be with you.
We had Juventus and Valencia in that group. That was a tough group to be honest.
Solskjaer would be unlikely to survive a similar run.
I don't agree with him, but I can somewhat get what he's trying to say here.
The 2-1 vs City at Etihad was arguably our best attacking performance in a long time, but we managed to sustain it for maybe 35 odd minutes. We were on the backfoot in the entirety of 2nd half and required a couple of fine DDG saves to get the 3 points.
The 2-0 at OT, again we were really good and I'd say that was the best performance vs them since 4-2 win in 2015 (or maybe better than that as well). However, Dave did have things to do, and there were moments where we were on the edge of the seat and required AWB to play a blinder to get the 3 points.
Yesterday, I don't think there was a moment where I was genuinely scared that we'd concede bar the Mahrez chance, but then again apart from the chance in the 1st half after that beautiful interplay in our defence, I didn't expect to score as well.
You can blame Ole all you like, but the thing is City are the better side, and they set up to not lose with 2 DMs and Walker who hardly attacked. And that was what dictated the result
For a club that pride itself in attacking football, in taking risks. Ole is anything but.
Tbf, the whole club is run that way. We only sacked managers until it's absolutely certain that we missed Champions League.
Transfer policies was also like that. Buy the most expensive and obvious player without taking risks in unknown but talented players who might fit us.
Ole took risks only when he absolutely have to, like getting behind first. And it's no wonder that our best football comes after we got behind, both in goals and results.
There's no way we win anything note with Ole in charge.
Fortune favors the brave, and United under Ole is anything but.
Tbf, the whole club is run that way. We only sacked managers until it's absolutely certain that we missed Champions League.
Transfer policies was also like that. Buy the most expensive and obvious player without taking risks in unknown but talented players who might fit us.
Ole took risks only when he absolutely have to, like getting behind first. And it's no wonder that our best football comes after we got behind, both in goals and results.
There's no way we win anything note with Ole in charge.
Fortune favors the brave, and United under Ole is anything but.
It was the same for Liverpool last season. Shit football and grinding out results for a long time. People on here do not appreciate we are in a very good position in the league. If it goes Tits up, I’ll support them in changing Ole. But what is comedy gold is the anger after yesterday. All prediction we would get battered, but when we draw its unacceptable
We where not set up defending yesterday, but struggled going forward or even keep the ball in their half. But what I loved about the game was how well organised we where and without all them silly mistakes. We know we can go forward. That is not a general problem for this team. But them mistakes and dropping shape has been a huge problem. Really hope we have turned a stone in that department, because if we have, we are going placesWhere have I ever said Solskjaer is big manager? I say if there is progress, time should be given. One or two setbacks dosen’t change my mind. ManCity game wasn’t even a setback. Both teams came to game to not lose. Both teams got points. After going out against Leipzig we needed to come out with something. And got that. People need to relax.
Jose was shit, the same is Ole.
Have you seen this thread? The amount of vitriol and pure bile after each dropped point, what other could it be than dislike? The reason so many want him out is simple, we have been spoiled silly by experiencing Fergie and fans cant (or wont) accept that it was not always going to be that way. Lets be real here, Ole did not exactly have a splendid CV before the job fell into his lap, but that in turn have convinced his most outspoken critics that he literally can do no good and whenever things do go our way its either luck or something/someone else doing the heavy lifting. Meanwhile, every single thing that goes badly is his fault. Like why is this thread constantly bumped during live matches where people are howling for blood if we go under? Hes not on the pitch, so unless hes put out some utterly daft line up, i dont see how a thread about a manager would be that relevant during a match
The "Fernandes was an obvious signing" is one of the latest hits. Like the feck he was, judging by this thread about half the Caf knew who he was an about half of those thought he was average. That speaks volumes about the lens hes viewed through though. If they cant even bring themselves to praise him for the best signing we've done in a decade they wont praise him for anything
When he took over the club was in a sorry state and pretty much everyone agreed that the rebuild was still ongoing. This was due to LvG and Jose failing in that regard despite spending about 700 million between them and obviously not being helped by the absolute idiots at the top of the club hierarchy. When he took over we lacked a established CB pairing, we had an ageing winger playing RB, no creative midfielder and loads of unanswered questions about who was supposed to play up top. His main task was therefore making us competitive again AND securing the long term health of the club. This is in stark contrast to Jose, whos modus operandi is come in and win silverware at any cost and despite having a net spend of 360 million euros, left the club in a worse state than it was when he arrived
Gone are much of the deadwood and all of the players we've bought under Ole (bar Cavani) have been somewhere between 21-26 so they have plenty of years left in them and many of them has not reached their best years even. This means that even if Ole was replaced tomorrow, much of the groundwork has already been done and the next guy will inherit a much healthier side than the one Ole got.
Then comes the results and performances. Before last season, there was about a 50/50 split among fans and pundits alike whether or not we would make CL qualification. We did, so most reasonable fans should be content with that. Since we signed Bruno we are also one of the (the?) best team in the PL in terms of PPG and GPG. People will laugh at this and say its a completely arbitrary starting point (the very same people had no problems leaving out his caretaker period when discussing win% last year) but i'd argue its not. Last year between Aug-Jan we could not score in a brothel because a massive lack of creativity. No creative fullbacks, no creative wingers, with Pogba injured no creative midfielders besides an ageing Mata. With Martial out for about two months as well it meant that the entire creative burden was put on Rashford and some kid fresh from the academy. Of course you will struggle for goals under those conditions. Its also a perfect illustration of what a truly good player can do with a football team and this ridiculous practice of judging managers in a vacuum of results only needs to stop because at the end of the day, they live or die based on the players available to them. All in all last season was acceptable in my opinion. We got third place and the ins and outs were good, both long term and short term
This year has been a bit of a rollecoaster, but 4 points from the top is hardly a reason to have a meltdown imo. Also consider this: We have played 11 games and so far we have faced Palace, Brighton, Spurs, Newcastle, Chelsea, Arsenal, Everton, West Brom, Soton, WHU and City. 7/11 of those teams either are in the top 8 right now or you reasonably expect them to be there (counting Arsenal here). We've not exactly had an easy start with the addition of a tough CL group as well. People point to our poor home form this year, but with no fans in there its a moot point. We are currently on a record breaking away streak, but thats a moot point as well.
When it comes to fan expectations, or rather demands, the goal posts seems to constantly move. Of course we need to improve, because we are not where we want to be yet, but in a process like this its not like you always will be on an upward trajectory and we cant view this in a vaccum. City and Liverpool set points records the past two seasons and the latter won the CL. Spurs and Chelsea have finished above us 4 times since Fergie retired and even bloody Leichester has won the league. The league is ridiculously competitive, yet the narrative among some of our fans is that everyone else is shit/overrated/past it, we have the best squad in the league and a half decent manager would have walked the league with us. Case in point: Our ex manager currently sits at the top of the table with Spurs, so maybe, just maybe, they are not a bunch of cloggers like some would have us think.
For example, Chelsea who we were neck and neck with last season have added 200 million worth of talent. Meanwhile, we fecked around all summer with Sancho and ended up with some panic buys on the last day of the window. It was obvious at the end of last season that the squad was not the finished product. Now though people claim that Ole has to make do with what we got, despite the fact that we are still a couple of key signing away from where we want to be.
Is it perfect? Far from it, but its not as bad as a lot of people would have it. Ole is far from the best manager out there and if we fail to improve from last season, i'd want him gone to, but the hysterical doom mongering and downright disrespectful way hes being treated by some fans is just baffling. Judging by this thread, these are not "glass half full" types, but rather "this glass is full of cat vomit and i am going to yell about it all day".
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