Did I say we did? Stop making up false stories.
Would you sack or keep Ole? (Poll reopened)
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I have been looking at this, and it’s a bit strange. I read someone say earlier on here, we have been playing fresh teams, while we come from midweek games. There might be something to that, but not the main problem. We need a new CDM. We need a leader with energy and grit. Someone who will go in hard and boss the midfield. Fred is good enough and close to what we need, but the drop off is to big, and we need better than Fred. From the way I see it, it always starts with a few bad passes. From there we play slow. We don’t move the ball enough or fast enough. Silly passes continue. Then suddenly we don’t have the players moving into space. They just stand there and wait for it, and if they do move, little happen, and the bad passing continues. I think this is what a lot of people see as bad coaching, but I’m sure that’s not the reason. Because when I’ve looked at it, it is a chain of evensts. It is about player confidence and ability. No doubt about it. We saw it last season, and we saw it yesterday. The drop off is huge. We have a good squad, absolutely. But it is unbalanced. If Bruno has an off day, you see the same problems, and the same chain reaction appears. The difference Bruno has the ability to grind it out. We need that in more players, and we need someone who can boss it. Our players are a bit soft. They don’t go hard in duels or win a lot of second balls, hence why we are easily coughs off balance at times. The reason is not a coaching issue, but confidence and personnel issue. The reason why I’m sure, is that we can pick it up. Once we have our back to the wall or a leader pulling the strings, we can play magnificent. That doesn’t happen if we are not coached. I really think Maguire is playing better now, but he needs to be the captain. More players need to step up and lead the line. We can’t be Bruno FC if we are to challenge for trophies. And we really need that
boss in midfield.
Then do explain what your expectations are?
United fans said the same about Klopp.
Probably Fergie without Cantona. What’s your point? Oh, you dont have one.
Except in your neatly 35 years of following united, you’ve never ever actually ‘supported’ them. Normally just moaning.
Thats not true. We have had WC players all through the Fergie premier era. We have never relied solely on our 'talisman'.
To be fair, if you could get past the cynicism, you’d be pretty great at trolling oppo’s too. It’s not too late, just believe in Ole!
During cantona's suspension we came just 1 point away from winning the title. We were nowhere near to 1 player as now
Yeah that’s AFTER SAF had produced a league winning team. That Cantona-less team had 10 players with league winning know how.
Stop comparing things that shouldn’t be compared.
It makes more sense believing in Bruno
Ah the beauty of having a manager who can identify and buy top players. Imagine what Sir Alex would have done with an 80m budget for a CB.
Ps during that season we replace Eric with a young & inexperienced Scholes. We still came just 1 point away from winning the title
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Well said.
SAF would have bought Maguire. Except he'd have probably got him from Hull for £15m after being dominant against us.
Its funny you should say that as it was a Liverpool fan that told me.
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Cantona and RVP say hello.
Bruno is a fantastic player, but we also have lots of other players who contribute goals, assists and chances.
In game management is abysmal. Needs to go.
Its undoubtedly a factor, but it can't be used as an excuse because its not unique to United. Before the Southampton game it was a fact that 4 of our next 5 league opponents did not have European fixtures to contend with.
Of course we have a deeper depth of talent in our squad, and its a necessity for us to cope, but it poses different problems for managers that have this concern. Those sides don't need to rotate. They have a week to prepare tactically. They have a completely different train/rest/sleep schedule than we do.
Is that why we have a tendency to start slowly? Probably not, but I do think that we might have it in mind to try to manage the flow of a game and it doesnt seem to work very well for us, but its not out of the question that those teams simply have fresher legs at the start of a game and once their own fatigue starts to become a factor our quality is able to show itself more.
You mean in a game where his subs changed the game?
Literally near the top of the league and people are still moaning making up new arguments like its matters.
1 man team, heard it all now. If anything it's a compliment as any time we used to get accused of being a 1 man team, it was when we were near the top of the league. Surely it's a good sign we are getting closer
1 man team, heard it all now. If anything it's a compliment as any time we used to get accused of being a 1 man team, it was when we were near the top of the league. Surely it's a good sign we are getting closer
It’s most certainly a factor. But looking at it in a positive way, we now have it in us to turn a game around. What is it? 5 games coming from behind and win in. In a way it’s progress. I know it’s a focus from the coaching, because it’s identified so often. Even yesterday. Looking at in a energy conservative way, if Mc’tomney play passes to his ability, and Martial move into space (he was holding up the ball against 3 players yesterday) We wouldn’t have to chase the ball so much. Just a couple of examples. It’s to slow and static. When we do address these things, we are nothing short of amazing. And we can do damage to any team.
I say again we never solely depended on Cantona and RVP. Yes they were the talisman of their era, but we also had WC or very good players around them.
For example RVP scored 26 goals in 2012/13 but Utd scored another 60 more than that. Im sure if you look up Cantona he didnt score all the goals as well.
As you said Bruno is our talisman, unfortunately he hasnt the quality of players around him that RVP and Cantona had.
And we don’t solely rely on Bruno either. Look at the numbers of goals Rashford, Martial and Greenwood scored last season. They scored more than the front three of Liverpool. Two of them have been slow to start this season, but Rashford has already got 10 goals.
Cantona, RVP, Ronaldo and Bruno have all been relied upon by the club.
without reading the previous posts, I’m not sure what the discussion is about really!
It never happens, but my point is that we had a bit of lady luck on our side, which we didn't vs PSG.
And I think we view a football game differently, as I view the number of "should've scored" chances and judge a team's performance. It's exactly why I like Mou's first season and wasn't that fussed about the WBA game as well.
I believe that's a pretty good indicator of where the team is going as well -If you create more of those chances, and concede less of these chances, you're getting better. Simple! Just a variation on xG, but tells more often than not the direction the team is heading in.
Im laughing here. My 'argument' was with another poster who said we rely on one player our talisman. I was actually saying the same as you.
How rude! Replying with your opinion is fine but what is this “Stop selling false stories”?
As I understand it, we have currently obtained more points than any other premier league team this calendar year. We are two points off top, despite a shortened pre-season and still in with a fighting chance of emerging from a very tough CL group. All of Ole’s signings (bar James) have substantially improved our squad and he’s completely turned around the mentality of our team, so we now look capable of turning around any match.
Yes, we are inconsistent but we also still have a young squad (who Ole is developing well) and have gone toe to toe with some quality teams in the last year.
Against that backdrop, this post suggests a belief that its reasonable to not sack him immediately but would still be actively looking to replace the manager and wouldn’t let him make any more transfers, despite the fact his squad rebuilding is unquestionable.
Im all for divergence in opinions but so many views on here lack any element of realism.
We finished third in the 01/02 season and the 03/04 season. You have google available to you, so there isn’t really any excuse for posting rubbish like this.
Surely they want, his tenure should not be measured from January. He was employed a year earlier. He is as inconsistent as they come, and would not have been employed by any mid-table club of any of the top leagues. Ask fans from 5-6 top leagues if any of them would want Ole as their manager? I doubt Istanbul fecking Basaksehir would want him. He is one of the biggest spenders in the transfer market in the world and after two years is yet to show any semblance of consistency and improvement having one of the most expensive squads out there. He is yet to achieve what have been Jose and Van Gaal did at United.
Sorry Dad. The main point was that regardless of unfortunate circumstances we still competed for the title.
Just incase it went over your head. But yes if Alan Smith never got injured we probably wouldn’t have finished third that season. Hey if we took our chances against Leverkusen we probably would have won the Championship League without Jaap Stam. Who know’s. What I do know is thought we was a top level team regardless if it included Jaap Stam or a retiring Lauren Blanc.
Your only point was that we didn’t finish as low as third, which a quick google would show that we did. To accuse people of posting “false stories” whilst being outright wrong is just hilarious. We’re currently three points off the top with a game in hand, so this season it would be unfair to suggest we’re not competing wouldn’t it?
I mean if people want to make the argument that he needs to be sacked because of the form back in August - December 2019 then feel free I guess.
Why would I care about what other football fans think of United and Ole ? Christ United fans are annoying enough why add more stress to my day.
Since January this year we've been the best team in England, now it's only my personal opinion but thats not really a sackable offensive.
People get rightfully annoyed when SAF is compared to Solskjaer. It's equally as disrespectful to compare this squad with the ones we had under him.
It's disrespect to compare squads? Eh? Who is that disrespectful to?
The players we had were better just as SAF is a far better manager than Solskjaer. But we still had dodgy results either way.
I would argue that this is finally a better squad than the one Fergie left behind but one way or the other, there's no element of disrespect in comparing the two.
Maybe they were also looking a lot better because they were managed by a better manager.
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