Would you sack or keep Ole? (Poll reopened)

[Majima]

We've historically struggled against sides that sit deep and don't allow space in behind, even in SAF's glory years, how many times did we score late winners/equalisers against teams who on paper we should have destroyed. Ole has obviously taken the decision with the players currently in the squad to go down that route, when he gets better players and the team is playing with more confidence he'll introduce a more expansive game, or that will be the plan.

Oh yeah that clueless/pathetic Manager has been to City(you know the one that had won 7/8 trophies available in England over the last few years) with an apparently shite squad(ask the forum) twice this season, won and deserved to win both times, guess he just got lucky twice.

Just make it up as you go along do you? You just stick to your alternative facts. Even SAF struggled to break down deep sides now is it?

Why would you count a 2nd leg where we lost the tie overall? Completely pointless.

People like you are who the Glazers prey upon. Complete & utter blind faith to mediocrity, who in spite of all facts, cannot shake their sentimentality and think objectively.

 

[Class of 63]

There's plenty of coaches who can bring new ideas to the club or can provide a wealth of experience to those who need. Sir Alex used to be on the look out for them. In fact he brought people like Mclaren, Rene, Queroz, Walter Smith and Mclaren. Unfortunately Ole seem to want his own men, which unfortunately most of them are as inexperienced as he is. That's strange because someone as inexperienced as him would need such experience.

Was Steve McClaren so good SAF brought him in twice?

All of those you named apart from Rene were brought in as a no.2, are you suggesting somebody comes in and demotes Phelan(the only one with experience) to no.3, or do we pension him off??

 

[Class of 63]

Good lord, the idea that Van Gaal was about to kick on... I have no idea what to do with that, his signings all failed and the club was going nowhere.

Only way he didn’t get fired is if the Glazers actually went to a match, thus falling into a sleep coma.

The young players were slowly buying into van Gaal's philosophy, so yeah.

 

[Majima]

Was Steve McClaren so good SAF brought him in twice?

All of those you named apart from Rene were brought in as a no.2, are you suggesting somebody comes in and demotes Phelan(the only one with experience) to no.3, or do we pension him off??

Considering he was in Australia as a 'consultant' before us, that would be a start yes.

 

[Class of 63]

I'd take him over Ole in a heartbeat.

And what is it about Chris Wilder that makes you think he'd do a better job?

Mr Bean would do a fecking better job not acceptable as an answer

 

[Class of 63]

Wow this is so untrue it's criminal. The last 15 years or so under SAF every team we played at OT sat deep and we had no problems dispatching routine beatdowns. Breaking down deep teams was never an issue and it's ridiculous you're trying to extend this fault to Fergie. This kind of false equivalence between element's of SAF and Klopp's tenures does Ole no favours

Is it? I was at a high % of those games so should know, and if you don't believe me do a bit of research.

And what the feck is a beatdown?

 

[InspiRED]

And what is it about Chris Wilder that makes you think he'd do a better job?

Mr Bean would do a fecking better job not acceptable as an answer

tbf I reckon bean would def balls it up proper.

With Wilder though, this season he’s proven himself to be tactically astute with very, very limited resources and has his side above us. Ole has had had gargantuan resources in comparison and we still don’t look like a coherent unit. He also failed to save, or even get close to saving Cardiff. And he struggled with Cardiff in the championship year after

I’m not saying Wilder is the right fit for Man Utd. Is he a distinctly better manager than ole though? Looks that way to me and is borne out in statistics although admittedly small sample size as his first season in pl.

 

[Class of 63]

Just make it up as you go along do you? You just stick to your alternative facts. Even SAF struggled to break down deep sides now is it?

Why would you count a 2nd leg where we lost the tie overall? Completely pointless.

People like you are who the Glazers prey upon. Complete & utter blind faith to mediocrity, who in spite of all facts, cannot shake their sentimentality and think objectively.

Yeah people like me who travelled all over the country as a pup when we were in the old 2nd division, yeah fans like me! Feck off with that shit.

 

[InspiRED]

And what the feck is a beatdown?

It’s what the Ole ins appear to be receiving in this thread

 

[Rhyme Animal]

Yeah people like me who travelled all over the country as a pup when we were in the old 2nd division, yeah fans like me! Feck off with that shit.

Thought I'd stumbled into the Boomers thread there for a second!

 

[Class of 63]

tbf I reckon bean would def balls it up proper.

With Wilder though, this season he’s proven himself to be tactically astute with very, very limited resources and has his side above us. Ole has had had gargantuan resources in comparison and we still don’t look like a coherent unit. He also failed to save, or even get close to saving Cardiff. And he struggled with Cardiff in the championship year after

I’m not saying Wilder is the right fit for Man Utd. Is he a distinctly better manager than ole though? Looks that way to me and is borne out in statistics although admittedly small sample size as his first season in pl.

Distinctly? The guys done well, but the fact he had a year in the Championship to mould his side and he didn't get too much money to spend when they won promotion helped him as he didn't have much option other than go same again so it's no surprise they look better Managed than we do currently, it'll be interesting to see if he can stay at that level or push on next year.

 

[Bilbo]

It’s what the Ole ins appear to be receiving in this thread

I think most of the Ole ins have long since tired of these threads and decided to do something worthwhile with their time. You seem to think that this is some kind of victory parade, but out there in the real world the guy is still the manager and seemingly under no real pressure of the sack. Not much of a victory at all really.

 

[Greck]

Is it? I was at a high % of those games so should know, and if you don't believe me do a bit of research.

And what the feck is a beatdown?

No need. i have my own memory to rely on. The games were also broadcasted on telly. We didn't look clueless against teams that sat deep. SAF's last year wasn't a great watch but that doesn't justify the statement that he struggled against teams that sat deep like Ole. In fact we were the PL's most aesthetically pleasing attacking team to watch for most of his tenure

 

[Gehrman]

If it's just about PL records should we ask Chris Wilder if he fancies the job?

I'd take him over Ole.

 

[Class of 63]

It’s what the Ole ins appear to be receiving in this thread

Not whilst I still draw breath, give me 10 minutes on my oxygen and i'll be right back ....

 

[Gehrman]

And what is it about Chris Wilder that makes you think he'd do a better job?

Mr Bean would do a fecking better job not acceptable as an answer

He's outperforming Ole with Sheffield United.

 

[Class of 63]

Thought I'd stumbled into the Boomers thread there for a second!

Far too many intelligent folk in that thread for my liking, most of it went over my head, so I thought i'd stay in here with the numpties in the hope eventually they might drag me up to their level of stupidity

 

[Gehrman]

Distinctly? The guys done well, but the fact he had a year in the Championship to mould his side and he didn't get too much money to spend when they won promotion helped him as he didn't have much option other than go same again so it's no surprise they look better Managed than we do currently, it'll be interesting to see if he can stay at that level or push on next year.

I'm not really sure having a year in the championship to mould your squad puts you in a better position than having a year to mold a Man Utd Squad in the PL.

 

[InspiRED]

I think most of the Ole ins have long since tired of these threads and decided to do something worthwhile with their time.

Like you have by replying to my post? Relax it’s just a bit of light humour, Christ knows we need it.

 

[langster]

That was Mourinho wasn't it? The result handed City the league in 17/18.

Edit: just realised you may have been referring to LVG separately. To which I would concur.

Nope, it was the final game of the season and was by far the worst game of football I have ever had to endure at Old Trafford. It was an absolute shocker.

 

[Withnail]

I'm defending him. Not praising. There is a difference. He hasn't failed at ManUtd. He is buildning something and we will see if board is happy to give him more time. I would.

He's failed to get the team performing at a level greater than the sum of their parts, apart from one-off big games, which is the hallmark of a successful manager.

He's also failed to offer what any top modern manager does and that's to instill attacking patterns of play which break down stubborn well drilled opposition.

The one glaring failing Ole has is that he's old school (just like Mourinho, LVG etc) when it comes to the attacking side of the game. He's relying on the players to come up with a bit of magic every game without any real structure. Modern defences are so well drilled that this approach no longer works.

I'm not Ole out but I'm getting there with every passing mediocre performance.

 

[Withnail]

Is it? I was at a high % of those games so should know, and if you don't believe me do a bit of research.

And what the feck is a beatdown?

It's a bit like this

 

[Rhyme Animal]

Far too many intelligent folk in that thread for my liking, most of it went over my head, so I thought i'd stay in here with the numpties in the hope eventually they might drag me up to their level of stupidity

You're a wiser man than it initially appears, 63!

 

[UnofficialDevil]

I can't understand people are comparing the similarities of Zidane and Ole. Even as player legends Zidane is in a different stratosphere. Zidane is the coolest mofo in football. Solskjær was our super sub who scored the most important winner in our history, but I'm pretty sure the attraction of Zidane is miles ahead of Ole.

But anyway as managers, Zidane together with Pep has the best start of a mangerial career ever. Ole has managed for 10 years and has, if results on the pitch matter, failed in the 2 PL jobs he's been.


Im from Denmark, people would be lauging their asses off if I suggested that the record holder of Danish league titles should manage Man Utd..

This is what i have been saying all long, this is what any logical person would say, Ole is a mediocre to rubbish manager that has been around for years and done nothing. And yes I do consider winning the Norwegian league nothing as far as managing a club the size of Manchester United.

 

[Wolfmother]

I find it incredible that Ole in crowd keep comparing Ole with proven winners. If Pep or Zidane in their first season finished as Ole did last season they would of been out the door. Spurs and Arsenal were hovering around the same position as us when they got rid of their managers. I'm sure if Arsenal don't drastically pick up Arteta will be out the door come the end of the season. Valverde after all he won at Barca out the door. How many managers have Madrid or Bayern shown the door after winning titles? Even Chelski? The list is endless but the biggest difference between us and them is they have standards. Ours have fallen so low that people are now thinking that 6th place is some sort of achievement.

Congratulations! Not a single thing in your post addressed what we where talking about

That angry fella who thinks he is enigma asked about credentials. I tried to explain to him that it’s not all about your cv of past credentials. Sometimes people actually look at your studies, and football people tend to do that. You see. When clubs hire managers or coaches, they do not only look at what you have done in the past experience. They also look at your studies and philosophies. That’s why they conduct an interview, and in this case the poster thought his own parameters are the most important ones. He usually do..

He then asked on why Utd hired Ole, from that tin pot league. Having failed everything in his management career. And I said.

Probably the same reason Chelsea hired Lampard. Why Napoli hired Gattusso ( he then came back with what Gattussi did at Milan, but forgot Allegri, who has the credentials to suit his own parameters) The same reason Arsenal hired Arteta. And the same reason Real hired Zidane.

They all know the clubs, and the clubs know them.

He then came back with Zidane didn’t fail at Cardiff and in a tin pot league. And I responded. No, he failed in secunda B with a very talented squad.

You see. No one was comparing anyone. Saying one was better than the other etc. It was just about why clubs hire starting out managers.

( This is the point of the post The one Who thinks he is enigma will focus on..
“Ole isn’t just starting out”. No he isn’t! He only has experience of dealing with crazy club owners and building club structures. He also has experience building squads and have done very well in Europe with them.)

And if people want to criticize Ole for being a family man and going back to Molde, that is fine by me. And if they want to ridicule themself saying he didn’t do well there, that is fine also.

I see several of your tin foil hat friends made the assumption somehow Ole and Zidane got compared. But I really have no answer for that.
I just know players enjoy working with both.

How does a discussion like this turn into Zidane vs Ole. Ole is not fit to laze Zidane’s boots etc.
What is wrong with you people?

I don’t know how many threads are being derailed in this fashion, but there is quite a few.
Does the moderators moderate at all?
It’s making this place look like muppet show. And
If I was visiting from another club, I would laugh my glory hunting ass off..
Really. It’s embarrassing.

 

[Kostur]

Is it? I was at a high % of those games so should know, and if you don't believe me do a bit of research.

And what the feck is a beatdown?

I've taken it from 2000/2001 season, taking into account home record as the teams were, are and will be(?) more eager to sit deep against us:

Spoiler

00/01
20 games: 16 wins, 2 draws (3:3 against Chelsea, 1:1 against City), 2 losses (0:1 against Derby, 0:1 against Liverpool). Won the league, failed to score only twice, scored only 1 in just 1 game, won scoring at least 2 goals in every other.

01/02
20 games: 11 W, 2D (1:1 Leeds, 0:0 Charlton), 6L (0:1 against L'pool, Arse, Boro and WHU; 1:2 against Bolton;. 0:3 against Chavs). 3rd in the league (Arse won), failed to score in 6 games, scored only 1 in 2 games, won scoring at least 2 goals in every other game.

02/03
17W, 2D (1:1 Villa and 1:1 City), 1L (0:1 Bolton). Won the league, failed to score in 1 game, scored only 1 in 5 games, won scoring at least 2 goals in every other game.

03/04
13W, 4D (1:1 Leeds and Chavs; 0:0 Arse and N'castle), 3L (1:3 Fulham, 2:3 Boro, 0:1 L'pool). 3rd in the league, failed to score in 3 games, scored only 1 in 5 games, won scoring at least 2 goals in every other game.

04/05
13W, 6D (0:0 City, Spurs, Everton, Blackburn; 1:1 Boro and WBA), 1L (1:3 Chavs). 3rd in the league, failed to score in 4 games, scored only 1 in 4 games, won scoring at least 2 goals in every other game.

05/06
14W, 5D (1:1 Spurs, City, Everton; 0:0 Boro and Sunderland), 1L (1:2 Blackburn). 2nd in the league, failed to score in 2 games, scored only 1 in 7 games, won scoring at least 2 goals in every other game.

06/07
16W, 2D (1:1 Boro and Chavs), 2L (0:1 WHU and Arse). Won the league, failed to score in 2 games, scored only 1 in 3 games, won scoring at least 2 goals in every other game.

07/08
18W, 1D (0:0 Reading), 1L (1:2 City). Won the league, failed to score in 1 game, scored only 1 in 4 games, won scoring at least 2 goals in every other game.

08/09
17W, 2D (0:0 Arse, 1:1 Newcastle), 1L (1:4 Liverpool). Won the league, failed to score in 1 game, scored only 1 in 6 games, won scoring at least 2 goals in every other game.

09/10
17W, 1D (2:2 Sunderland), 2L (0:1 Villa, 1:2 Chavs). 2nd in the league, failed to score in 1 game, scored only 1 in 2 games, won scoring at least 2 goals in every other game.

10/11
19W, 1D (2:2 WBA), 0L. Won the league, scored in every game, scored only 1 in 3 games, won scoring at least 2 goals in every other game.

11/12
16W, 2D (1:1 Newcastle, 4:4 Everton), 2L (1:6 City, 2:3 Blackburn). 2nd in the league, scored in every game, scored only 1 in 4 games, won scoring at least 2 goals in every other game.

12/13
17W, 0D, 3L (1:2 City, 0:1 Chavs, 2:3 Spurs). Won the league, failed to score in 1 game, scored only 1 in 3 games, won scoring at least 2 goals in every other game.

24 games where we failed to score, 49 games where we scored only 1 goal. That is out of 13 seasons, so 260 games. Nevermind how much shit we've won in the meantime and how many times we've put 5+ goals past different opponents in varying quality. Not all of games that we've lost/drew/scored only 1 were against low block defence too.

So yeah, I'd suggest laying off alcohol when going to games because your memory seems to fail you and don't invoke SAF's name when trying to find some absurd mitigating factors for such a failure that Ole is.

 

[James Ward]

We've historically struggled against sides that sit deep and don't allow space in behind, even in SAF's glory years, how many times did we score late winners/equalisers against teams who on paper we should have destroyed. Ole has obviously taken the decision with the players currently in the squad to go down that route, when he gets better players and the team is playing with more confidence he'll introduce a more expansive game, or that will be the plan.

Oh yeah that clueless/pathetic Manager has been to City(you know the one that had won 7/8 trophies available in England over the last few years) with an apparently shite squad(ask the forum) twice this season, won and deserved to win both times, guess he just got lucky twice.

Historically? What nonsense is this. Its not the same players from Fergie's era that are playing. You play to your teams strengths.
Sorry but I have to laugh at that part in Bold. Ole is happy for the team to be drawing games up to the 80th and then we go for the win is it? Please explain that part to me? We have better players than other teams yet Ole's tactics are just brutal. Acutally watched the Liverpool game today and every player knows their posistion and their role in the team. Man United players walk around like headless chickens.

It does not matter if he beat City this season. City have lost 6 and drew three games this season in the premier league. We are not the only team to have taken points of City this season. It happens!

Do you acutally like that Ole uses the same tactics every game and teams have found us out since last season? We are currently 9th in the table and will probably finish lower than that.

How you can stick up for Ole still amazes me. If we lose to Chelsea Monday that's our hope for champions league qualification gone down the drain.

I think you'll always be happy once Ole is in charge.

 

[Rado_N]

Distinctly? The guys done well, but the fact he had a year in the Championship to mould his side and he didn't get too much money to spend when they won promotion helped him as he didn't have much option other than go same again so it's no surprise they look better Managed than we do currently, it'll be interesting to see if he can stay at that level or push on next year.

Wait. You seem to be suggesting here that having little to no funding and lower level players has benefited Wilder in what he and SUFC have done this year?

 

[Majima]

Yeah people like me who travelled all over the country as a pup when we were in the old 2nd division, yeah fans like me! Feck off with that shit.

That's precisely my point. You will continue to accept whatever is thrown at you with blind support. Full of sentimentality. You have to think whether you're there to be exploited surely?

I guess that's why you make all manner of excuses for Ole. It goes hand in hand. Because you don't actually care about competing, probably given up altogether.

 

[Majima]

I've taken it from 2000/2001 season, taking into account home record as the teams were, are and will be(?) more eager to sit deep against us:

Spoiler

00/01
20 games: 16 wins, 2 draws (3:3 against Chelsea, 1:1 against City), 2 losses (0:1 against Derby, 0:1 against Liverpool). Won the league, failed to score only twice, scored only 1 in just 1 game, won scoring at least 2 goals in every other.

01/02
20 games: 11 W, 2D (1:1 Leeds, 0:0 Charlton), 6L (0:1 against L'pool, Arse, Boro and WHU; 1:2 against Bolton;. 0:3 against Chavs). 3rd in the league (Arse won), failed to score in 6 games, scored only 1 in 2 games, won scoring at least 2 goals in every other game.

02/03
17W, 2D (1:1 Villa and 1:1 City), 1L (0:1 Bolton). Won the league, failed to score in 1 game, scored only 1 in 5 games, won scoring at least 2 goals in every other game.

03/04
13W, 4D (1:1 Leeds and Chavs; 0:0 Arse and N'castle), 3L (1:3 Fulham, 2:3 Boro, 0:1 L'pool). 3rd in the league, failed to score in 3 games, scored only 1 in 5 games, won scoring at least 2 goals in every other game.

04/05
13W, 6D (0:0 City, Spurs, Everton, Blackburn; 1:1 Boro and WBA), 1L (1:3 Chavs). 3rd in the league, failed to score in 4 games, scored only 1 in 4 games, won scoring at least 2 goals in every other game.

05/06
14W, 5D (1:1 Spurs, City, Everton; 0:0 Boro and Sunderland), 1L (1:2 Blackburn). 2nd in the league, failed to score in 2 games, scored only 1 in 7 games, won scoring at least 2 goals in every other game.

06/07
16W, 2D (1:1 Boro and Chavs), 2L (0:1 WHU and Arse). Won the league, failed to score in 2 games, scored only 1 in 3 games, won scoring at least 2 goals in every other game.

07/08
18W, 1D (0:0 Reading), 1L (1:2 City). Won the league, failed to score in 1 game, scored only 1 in 4 games, won scoring at least 2 goals in every other game.

08/09
17W, 2D (0:0 Arse, 1:1 Newcastle), 1L (1:4 Liverpool). Won the league, failed to score in 1 game, scored only 1 in 6 games, won scoring at least 2 goals in every other game.

09/10
17W, 1D (2:2 Sunderland), 2L (0:1 Villa, 1:2 Chavs). 2nd in the league, failed to score in 1 game, scored only 1 in 2 games, won scoring at least 2 goals in every other game.

10/11
19W, 1D (2:2 WBA), 0L. Won the league, scored in every game, scored only 1 in 3 games, won scoring at least 2 goals in every other game.

11/12
16W, 2D (1:1 Newcastle, 4:4 Everton), 2L (1:6 City, 2:3 Blackburn). 2nd in the league, scored in every game, scored only 1 in 4 games, won scoring at least 2 goals in every other game.

12/13
17W, 0D, 3L (1:2 City, 0:1 Chavs, 2:3 Spurs). Won the league, failed to score in 1 game, scored only 1 in 3 games, won scoring at least 2 goals in every other game.

24 games where we failed to score, 49 games where we scored only 1 goal. That is out of 13 seasons, so 260 games. Nevermind how much shit we've won in the meantime and how many times we've put 5+ goals past different opponents in varying quality. Not all of games that we've lost/drew/scored only 1 were against low block defence too.

So yeah, I'd suggest laying off alcohol when going to games because your memory seems to fail you and don't invoke SAF's name when trying to find some absurd mitigating factors for such a failure that Ole is.

Succinct and points backed up with well researched data. Amazing post.

 

[Dr. StrangeHate]

They are, with Ole, even if we miss out on T4/5(Hi City!) and end the season trophy-less Ole will probably keep his job, if that is the right or wrong decision only time will tell.

The club decided in December 2018 that they were going to make a decision about a managerial appointment at the end of season 2018/19 and 14 games later they had appointed Ole. There wasn't even a plan there, yet alone a long term one, it was just reacting to a good feeling among the fans. Now the club is just being stubborn in admitting it's error which is a Woodward speciality.
The above is bedside the point for me. Ole's counterattacking even when implemented to its full potential is unlikely to get us anywhere so best to part ways and start with a possession based style with either Poch or another manager.

 

[Class of 63]

It's a bit like this

And we told Florentino Perez the fax machine was jammed

 

[Class of 63]

I'm not really sure having a year in the championship to mould your squad puts you in a better position than having a year to mold a Man Utd Squad in the PL.

I'll leave that to somebody who has more time on their hands to explain, not that it should need to be.

 

[jamesjimmybyrondean]

If it's a rebuild you want why not just carry it out under a manager clearly better than Ole. Why not carry out the rebuild or cultural reboot of signing the right fit, clearing deadwood, promoting youth under Pochettino who's better than Ole, why not carry out the rebuild of signing the right fit, clearing deadwood and promoting youth under Ragnick or Nagelsmann or Rose who are all better coaches than Ole?

This is my problem. Why does it have to be Ole who is not better than all these managers to carry out our rebuild. I'm sure we all agree there are better coaches than Ole out there. So why not just get a better coach like Pochettino or Nagelsmann and continue signing the right fit, clearing deadwood and promoting our youth.

 

[Class of 63]

I've taken it from 2000/2001 season, taking into account home record as the teams were, are and will be(?) more eager to sit deep against us:

Spoiler

24 games where we failed to score, 49 games where we scored only 1 goal. That is out of 13 seasons, so 260 games. Nevermind how much shit we've won in the meantime and how many times we've put 5+ goals past different opponents in varying quality. Not all of games that we've lost/drew/scored only 1 were against low block defence too.

So yeah, I'd suggest laying off alcohol when going to games because your memory seems to fail you and don't invoke SAF's name when trying to find some absurd mitigating factors for such a failure that Ole is.

Spoiler

I'm almost tempted to put my hands up and say you're right, and i'm wrong because you've put so much effort in, but i'm not going to because erm you're wrong, read my original post again, do some more research on how late in games goals were scored in matches we would have been expected to win handsomely, then get back to me.

And on mentioning SAF i'll use his name when I please, cheers.

 

[Pscholes18]

Nagelsmann please.
No poch.

This

 

[Sky1981]

Distinctly? The guys done well, but the fact he had a year in the Championship to mould his side and he didn't get too much money to spend when they won promotion helped him as he didn't have much option other than go same again so it's no surprise they look better Managed than we do currently, it'll be interesting to see if he can stay at that level or push on next year.

The goalpost ole inners

Being newly promoted and having playing 1 year in the championship is an advantage over manchester United now.

 

[Class of 63]

Historically? What nonsense is this. Its not the same players from Fergie's era that are playing. You play to your teams strengths.
Sorry but I have to laugh at that part in Bold. Ole is happy for the team to be drawing games up to the 80th and then we go for the win is it? Please explain that part to me? We have better players than other teams yet Ole's tactics are just brutal. Acutally watched the Liverpool game today and every player knows their posistion and their role in the team. Man United players walk around like headless chickens.

It does not matter if he beat City this season. City have lost 6 and drew three games this season in the premier league. We are not the only team to have taken points of City this season. It happens!

Do you acutally like that Ole uses the same tactics every game and teams have found us out since last season? We are currently 9th in the table and will probably finish lower than that.

How you can stick up for Ole still amazes me. If we lose to Chelsea Monday that's our hope for champions league qualification gone down the drain.

I think you'll always be happy once Ole is in charge.

• If you thinks it's nonsense I suggest you google what Historically means.
• Liverpool are seriously in the groove, so obviously everybody knows their position/role in the team, but that's what confidence does for you.
• You can't just dismiss winning twice at the Etihad because other teams may have beat them. Last time I looked we were still their biggest rivals.
• I'm guessing you were too busy watching Liverpool when we played 3-5-2, or 4-3-3 instead of 4-2-3-1
• I'm guessing you just amaze easily then.
• Nope, but i'll back him while he's still in the job.

 

[Class of 63]

Wait. You seem to be suggesting here that having little to no funding and lower level players has benefited Wilder in what he and SUFC have done this year?

Go on then, tell me that having a settled side used to winning albeit at a lower level, and the confidence that breeds hasn't helped them this year.

 

[Class of 63]

That's precisely my point. You will continue to accept whatever is thrown at you with blind support. Full of sentimentality. You have to think whether you're there to be exploited surely?

I guess that's why you make all manner of excuses for Ole. It goes hand in hand. Because you don't actually care about competing, probably given up altogether.

"Through thick and Thin"

And no that isn't the title of a Laurel and Hardy film.