Don’t talk shite. We can all be good at hindsight. I’m sure you would’ve been 100% behind Fergie after 14 months, and would’ve slashed your wrists after 2 years, never mind 3.
Fergie was nothing like Busby, either.
Would you sack or keep Ole? (Poll reopened)
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Don’t talk shite. We can all be good at hindsight. I’m sure you would’ve been 100% behind Fergie after 14 months, and would’ve slashed your wrists after 2 years, never mind 3.
Fergie was nothing like Busby, either.
An amazing post indeed, just a shame it didn't disprove anything I posted earlier which i'm guessing was his point.
Was Steve McClaren so good SAF brought him in twice?
All of those you named apart from Rene were brought in as a no.2, are you suggesting somebody comes in and demotes Phelan(the only one with experience) to no.3, or do we pension him off??
My point is that Sir Alex, the greatest manager of his generation brought people from the outside to keep ideas fresh. Ole who needed experience and new ideas more then anyone went on giving jobs to the boys. A blind man being lead by blind people so to speak.
Ole is not a better manager than David Moyes. Change my mind.
We still have an outside chance of champions league qualification through winning the Europa league, however I definitely agree with you about our league win over City being nothing to shout about because they have lost other games too. I feel very much the same about the home wins over Chelsea and Spurs too but will give him credit for taking points off Liverpool.
Ah so you'll back Ole no matter what even though he's doing a crap job? If Ole was in charge for next five years and ended up 9th like we are now every year would you be happy with Ole?
No point arguing with you. The only reason you are supporting Ole is because he is an ex Man Utd player.
No problem with that mate, it would be boring if we all agreed, which is something the forums Men in Black should think about when it's open season on anybody that dare suggest Ole should be given more time.
Think it was more than a good feeling among the fans though, but I do wonder what the reaction would have been if Mr Popular aka Ed Woodward had said before the PSG match that Ole would be leaving with immediate affect and (insert name of Manager most fans wouldn't want)had been appointed and had signed a 3½ year contract - cue epic meltdown.
And Ole might think the same, if he stays on, and it looks like he will, there'll probably be more changes to his coaching staff in the Summer, I could image Carrick moving on and trying his hand as a no.2 somewhere else - just because we haven't heard anything doesn't mean nothing is happening.
In that case he will satisfy one of the 3-4 things that would persuade me to change my view over him. He should have done it way earlier though especially since Bout is at the club and he's got way more experience then most of Ole's mates
Now you're just been stupid for the sake of it, if we finish 9th this season, and 9th the following season he will be sacked, or walk.
Bout hasn't done any coaching for 6 years now, and only recently been named Head of Global Scouting so probably best left where he is.
Bout was LVG's assistant in 2014 specialised in opposition scouting. Anyway, how much experience into first team coaching did Carrick had prior to becoming a first team coach?
None at first-team level, but then Phelan, McKenna and the new guy whose name escapes me will do most of the coaching, with Carrick watching and learning offering his ideas when and if.
What experience does Mckenna have at first team level coaching? Also do we really need to pay someone who watches and occasionally points his finger at something?
I think once we have been knocked out of the Europa league the pressure will ramp up on Ole and the smile might start to disappear. There have been so many games this season where we have just looked clueless in trying to break down teams and it has not improved.
Ed should just make Ole a figurehead DOF and get Poch in as the manager and that should keep the fans happy and Ole is obviously a club man so I cannot see him kicking up a fuss if that happened.
Ed should just make Ole a figurehead DOF and get Poch in as the manager and that should keep the fans happy and Ole is obviously a club man so I cannot see him kicking up a fuss if that happened.
Why
? We are struggling with him at a role he's had a little experience with before, DOF is way too important for him to have a job. This ain't a charity, if he is sacked as manager then he should not be linked with the club in any serious professional capacity anymore.He remember me Inzaghi at AC Milan
He's more of a Seedorf though then an Inzaghi.
Nailed it!
Ole's been in charge for more than a year now, what playing style has he implemented that gives anyone any hope at all. Long term winning does not involve counter attacking every effing game.
200m (we should not count new arrival though he played one game) isn’t enough in modern football to make this team better. We know it takes more. We needed to upgrade our defenders and I think we’ve done it well. Would I have done the same thing? Not sure, because of no midfield. But I completly understand Solskjaer for addresing defenders first.
For me, problem is quality of the players. Sure, Solskjaer has done some misstakes, but we have so many avarege players that no other manager would come in and be pleased. Instead they would say : I need money for new players because lot of players in this group don’t have what it takes.
Now that you mention them. I would have given VanGal more time.
Performance has to be looked as a whole. Not just what is shown on the pitch even if that of course is most important. For example what players do we have. Do we have any injuries. And so on. You can put Guardiola or Klopp in Bournmouth and they would not get you far because they need certin players to work in a certin way. They would try to implement their system but as long as you don’t have right players to make that work it wouldn’t help Bournmouth.
Tell that to Klopp, Pochettino and Conte
Granted the squad is threadbare but that doesn't totally excuse the performances.
As the other poster said they play like a bunch of individuals. That is on the manager.
As for the Bournemouth question, I'll give you Pep because his style seems to need World class players to work but Klopp would improve any team you gave him and that's the point.
Would you trust Ole to go to any other team and improve them as a consistent, cohesive attacking unit?
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I saw a tweet saying the club has decided to part way with Ole and a new manager has been confirmed. Hopefully it means they have striked an agreement with Poch
Any CEO worth it's salt would have waited till results got sour before announcing another manager. But this is Ed we are talking about it.
They could have just stuck to the plan and waited till the Summer. There was nothing to be gained from appointing him there and then.
Making the decision based on clamour from fans and ex players was a sign of weakness.
Practice makes perfect, what does practice make? PERFECT
Why, Ole was only an interim Manager, and what if the results hadn't turned sour?
Apart from stability and being able to make plans for the Summer you mean?
That worked out well didn't it. They really worked hard to get everything done ahead of time and got the players in early.
Besides that's nonsense. It was a knee jerk populist move.
Oh well Mr Hindsight that's me told.
Hehe no, I'm not going to dig any deeper, the 2+ goals statistic that I've put in addresses the 'late goals' point you've brought up, unless you're going to show me the 3-4 instances (out of 260 games) where we've fired 2 goals in quick succession but then I presume you'd shift the goal posts again about what constitutes a 'late goal'. I mean, that's what the ardent 'Ole inners' are about now though, dealing in absurd examples and comparisons, unable to refute any statistical breakdown of Ole's tenure, clinging to intangible concepts as those are more difficult to disprove (subjectivity kicks in here) as any factual, statistics based argumentation just cannot be refuted at this point, whether it's about the money spent, the worst start in XX years or some other embarrassing statistic. Then you've always got the childish 'Hurr durr I was a football coach if you cannot see progress you're clueless' (so am I by the way, I wouldn't bring up my badges to try and discard somebody's opinion here on a matter that's very much in the 'discussable' terrain) and the classic 'have you ever been to OT???'.
It's pretty much what you're left with, trying to defend the indefensible, just like the flat Earthers. It just reeks of pure desperation and quite frankly no longer seems to have the club's good at heart when you're trying (intentionally or not) to downplay the achievements of the best football coach in the history in order to, through mental gymnastics, defend the worst manager we've had for God knows how many years. It's just embarrassing really.
Then he would have had to make the tough and unpopular decision for the good of the club while facing backlash. Again I am coming from the place that counterattacking football will not get us far even if implemented to its full potential.
Obviously managing championship players and having no funds makes it easier to assemble and drill a better squad....
You mean you've nothing left to say?
You have to admit it's far more likely that Ed jumped on the feel-good band wagon for some good PR than he made a decision based on sound footballing reasons
So, you mean that Klopp has not bought any players since he took over? Jürgen Klopp bought 23 players for around £420,000,000 since coming to Liverpool. Antonio Conte, only this year, have bought or loaned at least 15 players if we exclude taking back players from loan. So yeah, even managers that are seen as very good need to buy players.
Not totally but it does influence our football.
Klopp would improve but without new players that would be improvement to a certain level. Not even top 10. In my opinion. But if you would give Klopp (or Guradiola) 3-4 years and said you can have this sum of money I believe that he could turn Bournmouth into a good side. Therefore I say, give managers time (Solskjaer) otherwise it is no meaning bulding for future if you going to be sacked after a year. Then another manager would come and we will be sitting in the same wheel.
I really hope he is sacked by the end of the season regardless of where we finish or if we win the Europa.
The summer can provide us with an opportunity to progress. A manager doesn't always have to be sacked when they are doing terribly (which Ole is) but also when there are far superior options available.
The summer can provide us with an opportunity to progress. A manager doesn't always have to be sacked when they are doing terribly (which Ole is) but also when there are far superior options available.
You said 200m is not enough to improve our team. Meanwhile Conte hasn't spent up to that and he's taken Inter from 4th to 1st. Klopp didn't spend up to that when he took Liverpool from 12 th when he met them to 4th. Meanwhile after 200m or 130m tbf.. Ole has taken us from 6th to 9th on course to our lowest point tally in 30 years. So unlike Klopp and Conte we've spent money and regressed.
This would imply that our board have the ability to "plan". They don't.
They react.
If Ole fails to get top 4, then most likely, he'll be fired - as a reaction to not getting the results that they expect.
Remember when Jose was having a breakdown in the Summer? Woodward could've planned for that and "managed" Jose. He didn't. He allowed the meltdown to continue which gave us poor results. The morale was bad, he continued letting us slide, then finally half way into the season, he decided to sack Jose.
Or what about LVG - he got sacked, when he failed to make top 4 and Jose was available. No planning.
Contrast this to MCFC. They made an agreement with Pep, some 5 months before the season ended. This also allowed Bayern to plan in advance for their replacement manager.
A plan would be to tell Ole that he will be relieved in the Summer and that he needs to prep the squad for the next manager, who has already been signed up. If necessary, this can be announced to the World, so the fans, sponsors, etc, all know where they stand. It also gives the players a chance to plan for their future.
BUT, I assure you, there will be no plan.
Crap. I didn't realise that we dropped to 9th. That's mid-table, right there.
The Ole supporters will have you believe that everything is proceeding as planned.
Should Ole stay next season, that season, too, will be written off.
"You are shit, incompetent manager, but let's try if you're a better DOF. If not, we'd also need a new kit man"Why
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