Great post!
So where did @midnightmare get his info about Southampton from?
But Poch has better achievements than Ole if you try to go that route. You can't really say winning the Norwegian league somehow makes Ole more qualified. The winner of my local church league doesn't become qualified to manage us because he won something obscure. Poch's lack of trophies shouldn't be mentioned when the point of comparison is a manager that has done less. That's a double standard
.Pochettino outperformed them if you look at money spent (Mourinho and Gaal were better then him in a season each) but on other hand Pochettino was worse (not meaning that he is worse manager, just performence) then Solskjaer this year prior his sacking. He made Tottenham a mid-team despite having better squad then us. Football is wierd, isn't it?
I'm defending him. Not praising. There is a difference. He hasn't failed at ManUtd. He is buildning something and we will see if board is happy to give him more time. I would.
I don't really know where people get this that I've said that Solskjaer is better? I never said that. Neither have I said that Pochettino is better. I'm defending Solskjaer from lot of unfair criticism. I can without problem say that he has made misstakes (from what I see) but every manager makes misstakes. But I can also see things that have been done in very good way.
I am not looking for short term success. I want the club to take the long term view this time. Modern football has moved on from that style of football as you can see with what the elite clubs are trying to do. We need to lay the ground work for a modern style this time and Poch is a step in that direction even though not my first choice.
The day of last years CL final if Poch was offered to us as manager would you have taken him? I think 80% of the forum would. Yes it broke down for him in the end but that doesn't mean he all of a sudden became a bad manager. Working with Levy it was bound to break down, especially with the new stadium being built with not a lot of transfer funds and their players getting paid a lot less than at other clubs. It just reached the point of no return.
I've been following Poch since his Espanyol days and he punched well above his weight there even though he got sacked in the end. Once again it was similar circumstances to Spurs where Espanyol were building a new stadium, selling their best players and bringing in cheaper options. People will say why would we want a manager who's been sacked twice? That's a fair question but they need to understand it wasn't because he is a bad manager and I think he's proved that he is capable of taking over a team and elevating them to the next level. One thing we haven't tried since SAF retired is hiring a young, progressive thinking modern manager and Poch falls nicely into this category.
But a word of advice to him. Don't go to a job where they're thinking of building a new stadium
Thing is some of the criteria you use to criticise Poch's suitability for the role favours Ole even less. You also can't go from giving Poch the benefit of the doubt on nothing to giving Ole the benefit of the doubt on everything
Absolutly. It doesn't matter who manager is. If club has decided to go this way and not buying stars for instant success than I'm all for that he or whoever would be given time. If it is not clear that he is destorying the club. I say, give Solskajer one more year (or at least until december) with couple of signings and I would be harder to judge. Then you can say he has got time and we can see if club is going forward or not.
That is just because I'm tired of unfair criticism of Solskjaer. He should get criticism, but it has to be right one. He is now getting it in every form and even for things that are out of his hands.
Are people actually comparing Ole to Zidane?
Zidane had Madrid playing great football as soon as he arrived!
Ole spent 150 million in the Summer and the team is worse than last season. There is only one manager in the World that could do that and its Ole.
He plays the same formation and tactics every single match. It was grand for the first six seven games he was in charge last season but every other manager in the league realized that Ole doesn't change his formation or tactics, hence why we dropped so many points this season and are now in ninth
He is so far out of his depth its actually quite scary. He is clueless.
I can honestly see us finishing either 9th 10th 11th or 12th this season but the fan boys will still stick up for Ole.
Its time to get Poch in now and not wait for the Summer.
Why are we currently trying to play counter attacking football when we can't pull it off against any team that sits back because Ole is clueless and plays the same formation every match? It doesn't suit our current players yet he insists on it. You would think that he would try some different tactics but he doesn't have a clue how because he is a pathetic manager. Basically every team in the league has us figured out and its only going to go down hill from here. We are ninth in the league. He is a disgrace of a manager in all honesty.
Wow this is so untrue it's criminal. The last 15 years or so under SAF every team we played at OT sat deep and we had no problems dispatching routine beatdowns. Breaking down deep teams was never an issue and it's ridiculous you're trying to extend this fault to Fergie. This kind of false equivalence between element's of SAF and Klopp's tenures does Ole no favours
