Would you sack or keep Ole? (Poll reopened)

[Gomes]

Considering the next fixtures, there is still time to save the season. For that to happen Ole needs to be gotten rid of midweek.

But it's too much to expect of United to be proactive. Ole will somehow get 6 points from 15 and people who believe in fairy tales put that on Tuanzebe being injured.

 

[Eric7C]

First you say "the only way we know how under Ole" and then the very next sentence you admit he tried a different approach during the first half? Make up your mind - is he a one-trick pony or not? Also - do you think today's match was a poor display?

He is a one-trick pony about 99% of the time. He wasn't in his first couple of months at the club and he wasn't in the first half yesterday - I was quite pleased and hopeful to see it. But he reverted to his default in the second. Liverpool are an impressive team, but they were not impressive yesterday. We could have won that game with the correct mindset.

Yesterday's match in isolation wasn't a poor display at all - it was very good, in fact. However, the pattern is clear: we are not good in putting together attacks and this will be evident in the coming weeks against lesser opposition (as it has been all season).

Edit:
Just to repeat:
1. Not scored more than 1 goal in any game this season after opening weekend.
2. Not had 10 shots on target in total in the last 5 games.

This team is simply not good at attacking and Ole seems clueless in changing it.

 

[John Blund]

He is a one-trick pony about 99% of the time. He wasn't in his first couple of months at the club and he wasn't in the first half yesterday - I was quite pleased and hopeful to see it. But he reverted to his default in the second. Liverpool is an impressive team, but they were not impressive yesterday. We could have won that game with the correct mindset.

Yesterday's match in isolation wasn't a poor display at all - it was very good, in fact. However, the pattern is clear: we are not good in putting together attacks and this will be evident in the coming weeks against lesser opposition (as it has been all season).

We made Liverpool look like an average side. The only mindset I'd like to change yesterday was Rojo's. Why the feck did he leave Lallana as that cross came in?

Defensive, we witnessed some tactical masterclass against a top 3 attacking team in the world yesterday. I don't know if it's because they had a better time to prepare, or if they've spent more time analyzing Liverpool, but this was probably the best defensive performance we've had under Ole. Against PSG, we were just lucky. PSG would win that game with the number of chances they created any other day.

Going forward, we were better than against Newcastle, then again, if we play as we did against Newcastle, we'll get relegated. Rashford showed his strength several times. I didn't know he could be such a beast. We lack creativity, decision, and skill going forward.

 

[MisterLupus]

He is a one-trick pony about 99% of the time. He wasn't in his first couple of months at the club and he wasn't in the first half yesterday - I was quite pleased and hopeful to see it. But he reverted to his default in the second. Liverpool are an impressive team, but they were not impressive yesterday. We could have won that game with the correct mindset.

Yesterday's match in isolation wasn't a poor display at all - it was very good, in fact. However, the pattern is clear: we are not good in putting together attacks and this will be evident in the coming weeks against lesser opposition.

It's not so much putting together the attack that's the problem - it's the end product. Our buildup warrants more than our players are able to convert. I doubt anyone with eyes in their sockets will disagree that our attack is sub-par - but I can't agree that our tactics are to blame for this. Both because this is not what I'm actually seeing - and also due to statistics pointing towards a different problem. Spaces are being opened and opportunities created - but we simply can't convert these into actual chances and even when we do manage to get a shot in our players too often miss the target. We lack cool heads up front that are adept at teamply - and (not to mention!) goalscorers.

As for the Liverpool game - I can't fault anyone's "mindset" - we got so close to beating one of the best teams in Europe and it wasn't even a fluke. By the time we scored the first goal we deserved to be ahead - and by the time they scored theirs... Well they deserved it no questions - this draw was a fair result - but our team showed a lot of resolve during that second half more class to our defense than I've witnessed so far during Ole's reign - and I'm pretty sure Liverpool felt very lucky to get anything from it because despite their pressure not only did they struggle to break us down - but we also looked dangerous on the counter and could have easily scored another.

Also we managed to piss Klopp off - he was whining like a princess scorned during that press conference - so yeah there's that too

 

[Charles89]

Possession stats in the first 15 mins of the second half: United 25%, Liverpool 75%. No, we definitely retreated after the break.

And yes, I did watch the game, thanks for the snarky comment. Williams might have come on after the goal, but the point is the mindset this manager brings to our team. If it was only against Liverpool, I would have no reason to complain. However, this is a pattern, against big and small teams, we don't go in for the kill.

Would you be saying that if Fred had scored from his shot? Both teams had similar amount of chances up until Liverpool scored, if we took our chances, we would have been 2-0 up.

People on here talk as if we didn't have any shots on goal in the 2nd half, but we did. We just blew our chances and then Rojo went for a wander for 1-1.

 

[Foxbatt]

Do some people realise that our players were finished by then. Why? Because technically Liverpool were better than us.
Where I had huge issues with Ole is his lack of planning in game management.
He should have put in new players in midfield and taken off Fred because he was dead on his feet. When we needed to be compact, we were not.
Now there will be a huge celebration because he drew with Liverpool. Expectations are so low that a draw with Liverpool at OT is now taken as if we have won a trophy.
They were tactically much better and their movements were much better.

 

[Judas]

His in game management is still unbelievably bad. Everyone could see we were struggling. Then when he did make changes they were bizarre.

 

[JSW Devil]

A better performance only compared to the rubbish we’ve had to endure in the last games, but still only the minimum you would expect against our biggest rivals, lots of effort and high pressing in the first half which was obviously going to fade in the second half and scoring only 1 goal again (we average less than 1 goal a game) creating very few chances. This team needs a rebuild and I still don’t think Ole is the right man to do it.

 

[John Blund]

Do some people realise that our players were finished by then. Why? Because technically Liverpool were better than us.
Where I had huge issues with Ole is his lack of planning in game management.
He should have put in new players in midfield and taken off Fred because he was dead on his feet. When we needed to be compact, we were not.
Now there will be a huge celebration because he drew with Liverpool. Expectations are so low that a draw with Liverpool at OT is now taken as if we have won a trophy.
They were tactically much better and their movements were much better.

Liverpool has a better squad than us. They're better than us, end of discussion. But in yesterday's game, we made Liverpool look like an average side. Aside from their goal, which I would blame on Rojo, they didn't create much. You can't have seen the same game I saw. Fred was firing. A few minutes before Liverpool scored, Fred had a shot just outside their post. It's not a great chance, but he hit the ball rather good, and we're not that far off a 2-0 lead.
And we were compact. Perhaps even too compact. AWB or James should be out wide when Robertson hits the cross, in an ideal world, but Liverpool moved the ball quickly, and it's often better to stay compact in front of our goal than starting to push out wide to pressure the holder of the ball. Especially when Liverpool moved the ball as they did.

Game management, Ole hit it spot on. We didn't let Liverpool create anything. Klopp was really getting frustrated. Klopp sent Henderson out wide at the start of 2nd half. Dropping Firmino a bit back, and moving Mané in more centrally. Ole changed it around, sent Young out on Henderson, had McT following Firmino. You hardly saw Firmino and Mané in the 2nd half. Hardly in the first half either. Because we were bang-on with our tactics. You might say "yes, but it was Ole who started Rojo!". Yes, but it wasn't his intention to start Rojo. We were going to start Tuanzebe, but he got injured.

Nobody is celebrating the draw. I feared a loss, but in the end, I'm disappointed that we didn't take all three points against them.
Now we need some wins away. I don't really care much about the EL and the cup-tie against Chelsea, but if we can use them to gain some confidence, that would be good. Norwich and Bournemouth will be the next tests.

 

[fergiesarmy1]

Nothing has changed. Ole is still a coward as a manager; he went back to his bus parking ways in the second half, he still doesn't make proactive substitutions, there's still no attacking plan except to counter attack. Liverpool were average and there for the taking today.

Out.

Your a disgrace as a united fan.

 

[Untd55]

Your a disgrace as a united fan.

A disgrace for wanting the team to perform to the level it should be? Solskjaer has the team under performing and people have bought in to the idea that he is doing as good as he can. Gullible fans are the best kind of fans for a manager. You can do absolutely no wrong in their eyes.

He is doing a diabolical job. He has had pretty much half a season as permanent manager. 18 games, 4 wins, 6 draws, 8 losses - 25 goals conceded and 17 scored. He should have already been sacked. This is Manchester United not Brighton.

 

[dove]

A disgrace for wanting the team to perform to the level it should be? Solskjaer has the team under performing and people have bought in to the idea that he is doing as good as he can. Gullible fans are the best kind of fans for a manager. You can do absolutely no wrong in their eyes.

He is doing a diabolical job. He has had pretty much half a season as permanent manager. 18 games, 4 wins, 6 draws, 8 losses - 25 goals conceded and 17 scored. He should have already been sacked. This is Manchester United not Brighton.

According to our fans - yes. You should expect nothing from the team, staying clear of relegation is as much as we can hope for (gonna be difficult this year though). I heard people say we have worse squad than Newcastle's. You want to see us score 2 goals in 1 match? Clearly a spoilt and entitled fan as it's ridiculous to expect that from Manchester United, biggest club in world football according to same fans who are delighted with how it's going now with Ole in charge.

 

[Sil]

Keep Ole - He's building for the future. Cut out all this negativity - be more positive and give him all our support.

 

[Bestietom]

A disgrace for wanting the team to perform to the level it should be? Solskjaer has the team under performing and people have bought in to the idea that he is doing as good as he can. Gullible fans are the best kind of fans for a manager. You can do absolutely no wrong in their eyes.

He is doing a diabolical job. He has had pretty much half a season as permanent manager. 18 games, 4 wins, 6 draws, 8 losses - 25 goals conceded and 17 scored. He should have already been sacked. This is Manchester United not Brighton.

And moaning bitching fans don't do the club and manager any good either.

 

[Bestietom]

Keep Ole - He's building for the future. Cut out all this negativity - be more positive and give him all our support.

Good on Ya young man.

 

[BigLebowski007]

I say keep for now. His trasnfers were good (Wan Bissaka, Maguire, James). He is clearing all the dead wood. As a result he is left with very thin squad with many unexperienced players. Plus he had a lot of injuries.

 

[momo83]

Watched Sunday Supplement yesterday. Only one of the 4 who spoke any sense was the journo for Joe.com. Funnily enough people talk about Klopp taking time so she compared Ole to Klopp.

General theme, exact same board and transfer department no one has changed. Before they were being mocked for transfer but since Klopp they are being praised as the best transfer recruitment department in the world.

After she said that. Then one of the others mentioned what I’ve been saying it’s great saying buy young talent but does Ole have the coaching ability to develop them

 

[fergiesarmy1]

A disgrace for wanting the team to perform to the level it should be? Solskjaer has the team under performing and people have bought in to the idea that he is doing as good as he can. Gullible fans are the best kind of fans for a manager. You can do absolutely no wrong in their eyes.

He is doing a diabolical job. He has had pretty much half a season as permanent manager. 18 games, 4 wins, 6 draws, 8 losses - 25 goals conceded and 17 scored. He should have already been sacked. This is Manchester United not Brighton.

He is doing what is needed right now knowing he’s going to take flak for doing it, calling him a coward is just wrong.

 

[ArjenIsM3]

A disgrace for wanting the team to perform to the level it should be? Solskjaer has the team under performing and people have bought in to the idea that he is doing as good as he can. Gullible fans are the best kind of fans for a manager. You can do absolutely no wrong in their eyes.

He is doing a diabolical job. He has had pretty much half a season as permanent manager. 18 games, 4 wins, 6 draws, 8 losses - 25 goals conceded and 17 scored. He should have already been sacked. This is Manchester United not Brighton.

Hardly diabolical so far. Not great, not diabolical. The truth is we've been poor for years, our transfers have been poor for years, and we're now seeing the fruits of that

 

[Massive Spanner]

Hardly diabolical so far. Not great, not diabolical. The truth is we've been poor for years, our transfers have been poor for years, and we're now seeing the fruits of that

Not diabolical? We're two points above the relegation zone. How is that not diabolical?

 

[red4ever 79]

2 shots on target at home against our big rivals and 32% possession, with a back 5 constitutes a success and a tactical masterclass from our magician. What do we have 10 points from 9 games. That's a disgrace.

 

[rotherham_red]

Keep Ole - He's building for the future. Cut out all this negativity - be more positive and give him all our support.

Ignore the twats on here and social media mate. The matchgoing lot support him fully. 'BeijingRed4Lyf' whose favourite ever player is 'Wayne Looney' can get to feck.

 

[Bestietom]

Hardly diabolical so far. Not great, not diabolical. The truth is we've been poor for years, our transfers have been poor for years, and we're now seeing the fruits of that

If we could have added replacements for Herrera and Lukaku to the 3 we brought in, things would be different. I am convinced we would have more points on the board now. If it is possible to do this in January, we will see change.

 

[shaky]

He is doing what is needed right now knowing he’s going to take flak for doing it, calling him a coward is just wrong.

There's no point in arguing. Plenty people on here are gutted that we didn't lose heavily and they would have found a way to turn even a victory into a stick to beat Ole with.

 

[Bestietom]

There's no point in arguing. Plenty people on here are gutted that we didn't lose heavily and they would have found a way to turn even a victory into a stick to beat Ole with.

Exactly. Even if he turned it around now, it's too late with some fans.

 

[Untd55]

There's no point in arguing. Plenty people on here are gutted that we didn't lose heavily and they would have found a way to turn even a victory into a stick to beat Ole with.

Why are people acting like the bad results and performances have only been going on a short while? It is like you want the last half-season worth of games to be brushed under the carpet because we got a draw with Liverpool. #

The draw with Liverpool changes nothing. He is still nowhere near good enough for the job.

Also, where are people getting this confidence that he will turn it around? He has shown nothing to give evidence to his ability to do such.

 

[devilish]

2 shots on target at home against our big rivals and 32% possession, with a back 5 constitutes a success and a tactical masterclass from our magician. What do we have 10 points from 9 games. That's a disgrace.

If we played attacking football against Liverpool with this squad then we'll be discussing a 3-0 defeat by now. Look I get it, you want Ole out. I share that view myself. However we must admit that yesterday his tactics were top notch. A 3-5-2 system kept their wingers at bay while James-Rashy hit them on quick counters. It wouldn't work against teams that play defensive football but in this occasion it worked brilliantly.

 

[Mainoldo]

Would you be saying that if Fred had scored from his shot? Both teams had similar amount of chances up until Liverpool scored, if we took our chances, we would have been 2-0 up.

People on here talk as if we didn't have any shots on goal in the 2nd half, but we did. We just blew our chances and then Rojo went for a wander for 1-1.

If it didn’t hit the target it’s not a shot on goal. Strikers don’t count goals if it didn’t hit the back of the net do they.

 

[Dec9003]

So my point still exist? We are doing worse than a season when we had a manager in meltdown with the board. We are currently 2 points above relegation zone. We didn't reach such stage before under any of the previous managers with the same players, so blaming them for our current state is kinda weird.

Your point does still exist, but it isn't as simple as you're making it out.
This time last season we were seven points off the top four, this season the same.
Again, it isn't a perfect comparison given we've played different fixtures and have different players.
But to completely disregard all this and just say this is the worst we've been is wrong imo, this is maybe the weakest squad in terms of quality post Fergie, but I do think we're more likely to climb the table than fall down it.
We'll just have to see though, the next 2/3 games are vital.

 

[el3mel]

Your point does still exist, but it isn't as simple as you're making it out.
This time last season we were seven points off the top four, this season the same.
Again, it isn't a perfect comparison given we've played different fixtures and have different players.
But to completely disregard all this and just say this is the worst we've been is wrong imo, this is maybe the weakest squad in terms of quality post Fergie, but I do think we're more likely to climb the table than fall down it.
We'll just have to see though, the next 2/3 games are vital.

It's that worst because we are actually much much closer to relegation zone than we are to top 4. We are 2 points away from relegation zone, while 7 points away form top 4. I don't think this ever happened even under Moyes, or when started LVG first season badly.

 

[smallred]

if he doesnt turn this around, he will be the worst managerial appointment in the clubs history.

i see many fans backing him - there isnt really one legimate reason that he is still in the job at this point in time anyway.

 

[Sandikan]

Bought himself some time, but that's all for now.

 

[Dec9003]

It's that worst because we are actually much much closer to relegation zone than we are to top 4. We are 2 points away from relegation zone, while 7 points away form top 4. I don't think this ever happened even under Moyes, or when started LVG first season badly.

Well now you're just shifting the goalposts, a minute ago it had never happened full stop.
I did the research for you:
Moyes' first season after nine matches: 5 points off top four, 8th place.
Van Gaals first season after nine matches: 3 points off top 4, 8th place.
Mourinhos first season after nine matches: 5 points off top four, 7th place.
It's pretty clear to see that no manager at United has had it all their own way in their first season (although technically Ole is in his first after an interim stint).
The comparisons are a little flawed, because again, the squad is worse than under Moyes, Van Gaal and perhaps even Mourinho.
It doesn't take a genius to figure out that a team with the options Van Gaal had would fare better than the team we have today.

 

[Kurton]

And moaning bitching fans don't do the club and manager any good either.

The first step in fixing the problem is identifying the problem. Some of us are at least seeing it, unlike these "top reds" who accept mediocrity for the club. These so-called "top reds" seem to be more Ole fanboys than club's. We respect and adore Ole as a legend but as a player. As a manager, he's been atrocious so far and it's not looking like improving. Any other manager with these numbers and performances would be called unanimously as being shit, but apparently Ole is bigger than the club.

And these excuses of Ole not being supported by the board is ridiculous, as Ole himself came out and said the money was there and he chose not to spend because no players were available who he fancied. Then its either he is deluded in thinking the squad is good enough or he's just appeasing his superiors and lying to the fans. In either case, I would not prefer Ole to be the manager. At least Mourinho set standards for himself and went against the board to pressure them, even if he did not care about the club. Ole seems to have no standards for himself or the club he says he loves, he's just happy to go along with the board.

 

[Bobcat]

It's not so much putting together the attack that's the problem - it's the end product. Our buildup warrants more than our players are able to convert. I doubt anyone with eyes in their sockets will disagree that our attack is sub-par - but I can't agree that our tactics are to blame for this. Both because this is not what I'm actually seeing - and also due to statistics pointing towards a different problem. Spaces are being opened and opportunities created - but we simply can't convert these into actual chances and even when we do manage to get a shot in our players too often miss the target. We lack cool heads up front that are adept at teamply - and (not to mention!) goalscorers.

As for the Liverpool game - I can't fault anyone's "mindset" - we got so close to beating one of the best teams in Europe and it wasn't even a fluke. By the time we scored the first goal we deserved to be ahead - and by the time they scored theirs... Well they deserved it no questions - this draw was a fair result - but our team showed a lot of resolve during that second half more class to our defense than I've witnessed so far during Ole's reign - and I'm pretty sure Liverpool felt very lucky to get anything from it because despite their pressure not only did they struggle to break us down - but we also looked dangerous on the counter and could have easily scored another.

Also we managed to piss Klopp off - he was whining like a princess scorned during that press conference - so yeah there's that too

This. We have plenty of the ball in decent areas. The big problem all season have been actually creating a big chance, and when that chance has come we have failed to convert way to many times. I would also add:

1. We are piss poor on set pieces and have been for ages. Getting a corner these days is more of a chance to the opponent because it more often ends up in a counter attack than it does us trying to put it on goal
2. Outside Pogba, Martial and maybe James, we have no players who has the ability/confidence to move the ball forward with their feet. Everyone is just looking for a pass and when they dont find a teammate they just recycle the ball backwards. This imo is the biggest contributor to our "static zombie football" since we need to constantly pass it around the opponent.
3. Our short passing in attack is sub par and then some. The best we have right now is Mata and hes done at the top level.

Imo, getting a winger or AMF that is also a set piece specialist would do us wonders.

 

[el3mel]

Well now you're just shifting the goalposts, a minute ago it had never happened full stop.
I did the research for you:
Moyes' first season after nine matches: 5 points off top four, 8th place.
Van Gaals first season after nine matches: 3 points off top 4, 8th place.
Mourinhos first season after nine matches: 5 points off top four, 7th place.
It's pretty clear to see that no manager at United has had it all their own way in their first season (although technically Ole is in his first after an interim stint).
The comparisons are a little flawed, because again, the squad is worse than under Moyes, Van Gaal and perhaps even Mourinho.
It doesn't take a genius to figure out that a team with the options Van Gaal had would fare better than the team we have today.

Shifting goalposts? I literally said before your previous post that we are 2 points above relegation zone hence it is the worst. I don't know. Did you actually read?

So my point still exist? We are doing worse than a season when we had a manager in meltdown with the board. We are currently 2 points above relegation zone. We didn't reach such stage before under any of the previous managers with the same players, so blaming them for our current state is kinda weird.

What was the last United manager that had us that close to relegation zones?

 

[Dec9003]

Shifting goalposts? I literally said before your previous post that we are 2 points above relegation zone hence it is the worst. I don't know. Did you actually read?



What was the last United manager that had us that close to relegation zones?

So you're just going to disregard the stats and ask for more? I'm up for a discussion but you don't seem capable of it.
Have a good day pal.

 

[el3mel]

So you're just going to disregard the stats and ask for more? I'm up for a discussion but you don't seem capable of it.
Have a good day pal.

I don't think at this point you are willing to even read the initial point made in my second post then. Have a good day.

 

[TrueRed79]

Klopp was right, we just setup to counter at home to Liverpool. There was an improvement in performance but i'm not buying it. For the record it's not that i don't want Ole to succeed. I just don't think he is the man to take us forward and ultimately he will fail. I mean, he's already failing as it it. We can't win a game unless we don't concede because we can't score more than one goal, all that pressure on our defense knowing one mistake will mean we probably won't win the game. Liverpool attacked which left us space to counter them. When teams sit back on us we are clueless to figure out how to unlock their defense. 10 points from 9 games is an utter embarrassment. We have dropped our baseline standards as a club. Enjoy mediocrity.

 

[ThatsGreat]

Ole should really be judged when Pogba, Martial, Shaw are back and Lukaku been replaced properly.