Do you not love signing players like Dalot? Us signing potential stars of the future is one of my favourite things and I wish we did it more.
It's all about having a balance of proven players and young players who are full of potential.
With Jose still in charge - I am NOT looking forward to next season
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Do you not love signing players like Dalot? Us signing potential stars of the future is one of my favourite things and I wish we did it more.
It's all about having a balance of proven players and young players who are full of potential.
The board won't put up with his comments this summer for much longer. Can't see him being here this time next here. Some of his comments are farcical.
The Dalot signing would make sense if he was coming into an established team with no pressure to adapt straight away. Now our 32yo failed winger turned average FB is injured, and if he was fit himself he'd be thrown straight into the first team. A couple of mistakes later and Jose would throw him under the bus and probably ship him off.
I'm not saying Jose is free from blame, far from it. But his approach is totally at odds with the turn-coal-into-diamonds and roll-turds-in-glitter approach of the board, who appointed him in the first place. Add in a sprinkling of 'expensive stars bought for marketing purposes' and you end up with the mess we have now.
Mourinho has created such a negative atmosphere, I cannot every remember a season starting with so little hope. The whole club will be toxic if we start badly which feels almost inevitable now.
Mourinho is an embarrassment and he isn’t doing anything to move he club forward. I can see his attitude causing the fans to turn on him in away we have never seen at the club before.
Its potentially a disaster as our board are slow to react in terms of getting rid of managers and are clueless in terms of recruiting a replacement or having any kind of idea of how to take the club forward.
Have to hope Mourinho can turn it round but it seems like he is building towards a point of no return.
Mourinho is an embarrassment and he isn’t doing anything to move he club forward. I can see his attitude causing the fans to turn on him in away we have never seen at the club before.
Its potentially a disaster as our board are slow to react in terms of getting rid of managers and are clueless in terms of recruiting a replacement or having any kind of idea of how to take the club forward.
Have to hope Mourinho can turn it round but it seems like he is building towards a point of no return.
Although that wasn't aimed at me, I can try to answer. Dalot type of signing can be potentially good if we have a good team that need some minor tweaks here and there.
Been a United fan for decades and this is the first time I've ever not been buzzing about the start of a season.
It feels weird.
It feels weird.
While that’s true, it was mainly due to or good start.
Arsenal/Chelsea/Liverpool all started poorly and caught us up.
We got quite lucky in a few games, we’ve scrapped through matches winning but it can’t continue like that.
The bad football is just about bearable if we win, but his negative comments about the squad and non stop moaning is too much. Imagine being 1 of the kids playing for us and you know you’ve got no chance as he doesn’t see you as part of the squad.
He’s genuinely an asshole and carries 0 motivation.
If we start the season poorly I can’t see the crowd staying supportive, they’ll be after blood.
Nobody is without luck. We lost the league by dropping points against relegation fodder, particularly at home. If we manage to eliminate mistakes and raise our lowest level of performance (which I think Fred and Maguire can ascertain), we're in a much better seat. Having said that, I do agree that we need a RW. I'm fine with fullbacks because I have faith in Dalot/Tony and there aren't that many LBs out there that can improve us significantly enough to motivate a big money transfer. RW should be doable though.
I just don’t feel like we’re progessing under Jose. We improved the first season but since then we’ve stagnated and now going backwards.
Unless we have a fast start the negativity he’s breeded will take over, and then he’ll start blaming everybody else and using scapegoats.
Last night instead of saying Liverpool are ahead in preparations and it’s just about fitness he starts blaming smalling and martial, then saying 70% of the squad isn’t his, I mean wtf is that about? No wonder half the players want to leave.
I don't agree with the negative PR profile JM has officially but I doubt he uses the same approach internally. Look at all the players who adore him, Ibrahimovic and Materazzi to name a couple.
Sell Martial and we go into next season with less attacking options than we started the last. Outside of Rashford I don't know who he is expecting to 'evolve' next season?
Sanchez - needs to prove he's not past it
Lukaku - borderline WC
Mata - should be sold
Rashford - inconsistent
Lingard - inconsistent
Zero depth there, especially compared to the bitters and dippers. I don't see how we will get close next year.
Sanchez - needs to prove he's not past it
Lukaku - borderline WC
Mata - should be sold
Rashford - inconsistent
Lingard - inconsistent
Zero depth there, especially compared to the bitters and dippers. I don't see how we will get close next year.
It feels oddly like the last summer of Van Gaal when we bought average mid-range players and then panicked and bought in Martial on the last day of the transfer window.
Chelsea won the league & then nearly got relegated under Mourinho. The writing wasn't on the door during that season & only real first sign was during preseason but it's "preseason". Then the shit hit the fan and in all honesty was that team that much worse than this Utd team?
People saying he'd change at Utd, play great football & that couldn't happen here as our players aren't mercenaries..Yea... none of that is true.
Very worried about this season, defensively not good enough with a midfield 3 of Pog, Fred, Matic ( who is injured) should be nice.
No width still, No backup for Lukaku.
Says it all when the main tactic against Liverpool was to hoof it to two midgets against Fecking Virgil Van Diyk
Hopefully I'm wrong but I'm not optimistic at all. Not enough has changed & the Football was bad enough last season.
People saying he'd change at Utd, play great football & that couldn't happen here as our players aren't mercenaries..Yea... none of that is true.
Very worried about this season, defensively not good enough with a midfield 3 of Pog, Fred, Matic ( who is injured) should be nice.
No width still, No backup for Lukaku.
Says it all when the main tactic against Liverpool was to hoof it to two midgets against Fecking Virgil Van Diyk
Hopefully I'm wrong but I'm not optimistic at all. Not enough has changed & the Football was bad enough last season.
That was probably pushing it a bit.
He might not use the same words privately, but it is the public words we hear and are reported. He really should be more savvy,
It’s very simple. A managers role is to improve the performance of his players and the team as a whole.
How many players can realistically be said to have improved under Jose?
The main times I can remember enjoying watching Utd last season was when we were already 1 or 2 down and the shackles were off and the team had nothing to lose and went for it. Why would top players come here to play dirge like last season?
How many players can realistically be said to have improved under Jose?
The main times I can remember enjoying watching Utd last season was when we were already 1 or 2 down and the shackles were off and the team had nothing to lose and went for it. Why would top players come here to play dirge like last season?
He has improved the likes of Ashley Young, but not the actual game changers. Ashley is probably just really grateful he is still here.
Indeed, can’t believe how often people state that he is either
A / correct in his negative statements, therefore he is right to say them
B / doesn’t mean his negative statements , and is saying different behind closed doors
The forner is a bizarre way of thinking, in no walk of life does it pay to go round throwing your employees under the bus in public no matter how correct in your assessment you are. A private conversation is almost always the most constructive approach for all parties.
All Mourinho criticising his players in public achieves is absolving himself of any blame in front of the press / fans - at least in his own mind. In reality it just makes most of them think he’s a dick or losing the plot, while sapping player morale.
The second statement makes no sense at all either, why say something hyper critical or offensive about his players in public which isn’t true? To put pressure on the board? There are other ways of doing that which don’t create such a cloud around the players and the club.
Some say he’s trying to get sacked already, I think the truth is just that he’s a bit of a fecking sociopathic selfish cnut with no regard for anyone but himself.
How is the board slow at getting rid of managers? Moyes lasted six months. LVG got sacked after two seasons, soon as he failed to get CL football.
Shouldn’t Mourinho, who won two cups in his first season and finished 2nd and got to a cup final in his second season, see the team through to a 3rd season?
Where has exactly the club been slow?
Mourinho was what we needed at just the right time, steady the ship, restore our pride with a trophy or 2 and bring in some brilliant players. He has done that, but now that his negative football is becoming unbearable to watch and that some of our most promising players want out I do hope its not too much longer that he is around. Only saving grace is I have cancelled sky sports and bt sports and am saving £50 a month as I am not going to pay to watch another season of our boring football.
Mou has a share of blame, for example he defends too deep, he's obsessed with workrate which is kind or ridiculous considering most of the clubs will play defensively against us and I don't think we needed Sanchez considering we already had Martial
However most of the blame lies with the club. They heavily under invested under the value strategy which reach peak point when we foolishly replaced SAF with Moyes. We have our lionshare of average players who are ridiculously overpayed, which means we cant get rid off. Meanwhile we find it hard to buy young top talent which means our club has to rely on the manager's connections to bring in the talent we need. In fact Moyes brought Fellaini, LVG brought Valdes and Bastian and Mou brought Matic and probably Willian. Considering that every manager we had ended up in the same silly conclusion then I guess its hardly Mou's fault.
Pogba was a coup but bringing a striker from Everton or players who wanted out from a heavily battered Arsenal or Chelsea should have been standard procedure. We should have been aiming at top young talent like Neymar, Mbappe, Salah yet the club seem unable to attract these sort of talent.
Salah doesn't belong in that list. We could have easily got him last summer if we wanted him. We probably weren't interested, I doubt many were, because no one saw the season he had coming. No one.
Maybe they should have brought better players then a kid from Portugal, a third rated goalkeeper from some dustbin and Brazil's cheer leader.
then they were all blind. Salah's record at Roma were mint. 23 goals in 46 matches between club and country is amazing.
I am.
His comments after that game are horrendous. If i was a player in that team I would feel as bad and let down as the staff of toys r us when they announced they would shut down for good. Jose offers no hope at all, he just sucks the life out of everything like a walking shadow. City came from behind against a full strength Bayern side and only played the youngsters. City lost to Liverpool and pep gave his youngsters so much encouragement. Jose loses and says he had no hope on this team and that he only has 30% of the guys he wants. Pre season is not about winning and losing its about building confidence and I think Jose has probably elimated another 20%
Jose desperately wanted him,but the board didn’t back him on this...But had we signed Perisic,would we have still signed Sanchez in January?Who knows,but either way,we still desperately need a proper RW.If we have to spend another season with Mata or Lingard on the right,we”ll find it tough to break teams down...Woodward needs to back the manager,the next couple of weeks are going to be huge...
Perisic might have been useful. Sanchez did not do much after he signed, but hopefully his rest over the summer has energised him.
Just put McKenna in charge and get him some good coaches to help and be done with it. I'd rather we lose with someone who shares the same ideology as our club, than go through this misery and embarrassment that is Mourinho.
State of Mourinho. Miserable sod. lol
Absolutely,he wouldn’t have been given a 5 year contract without Jose’s approval.And now it looks like there’s pressure on the manager to sell him to sign a new CB...Could this have not been discussed before handing Rojo a new contract?Its yet another example of the muddled thinking that’s ailed our transfer policy since 2013...
Absolutely,it’s certainly not entirely the boards fault.The manager is equally culpable and his attitude has been quite poor for the last 10 months...But since he’s going to be in charge for atleast the next season,there’s no point in finger pointing now.The board have no option but to completely back the manager.If he wants a new winger and a CB,please get it done ASAP...
If we want to have a successful season,the manager needs to have the squad that he wants.If you don’t want to fully support the manager,sack him now.But if you want him in charge,then do everything that you possibly can to give him whatever he wants...
Moyes should have lasted six months but he was allowed to stay on for almost a year even though it was clearly a disaster and they had no plan about what to do next other than appoint a has been. If or more likely when it becomes untenable this season they need to act and not try to ride it out for the whole season.
The board can’t sack him now but it’s also very likely it is pointless persisting with him. He isn’t establishing a style of play or building anything just looking for quick fixes and moaning. I hope there is a plan beyond Mourinho but suspect we will be just as clueless as when Moyes and LVG left.
Isn't there anyone at the club who can tell him to stop cribbing everytime and showcase some positivity?
I have defended him all season but this is getting beyond ridiculous.
Bring Zidane in now 
o be dissed
o be dissed
He doesn't represent anything our club is supposed to stand for, and this tweet perfectly illustrates it. Imagine being a youngster on tour, and then reading those quotes from the guy in charge of whether you make it or not?
I can't wait to see the back of him. Can't wait.
Of course they've picked the worst quote to illustrate their point, but still, it's a dreadful quote and it's not the attitude any of us want to see.
Get rid of him. He's toxic and plays boring football. He no longer has a cheque book advantage to make up for it.
Want him gone. Bring anyone in.
Want him gone. Bring anyone in.