With Jose still in charge - I am NOT looking forward to next season

Mou is making his share of mistakes but the problem is bigger then that

Managers come and co and yet we are in the same craphole. Why not admit that this squad suck big time? Project value + transfer mistakes made by LVG and the chosen one saddled us with tripe on expensive salaries whom we cannot get rid off. Not to forget that it seems that the richest club in the world cannot buy players before selling first + it think that a transfer campaign made up of a 34 year old keeper picked from the skip, Brazil's mascot and some kid from Portugal can take us to places. FFS name me a big club were tripe like Anderson or Shaw linger there for 3-8 years

This is the second season that the club let mou down in terms of transfers. If I was him Id resign at the end of the transfer deadline. Let Woody and Giggsie handle it till the end of next season

You are right that the problem is bigger than Mou. Although he is a huge problem. The problem is there is no overarching strategy. We continue to hire coaches who have antithetical styles to their predecessor, this rendering half the squad useless for the new tactical system.

In terms of giving Jose the signings he wants, we also have to acknowledge that we don’t know who he asked for, and what the cost would’ve been to the club. The club is going to be here long after Mourinho, and the board have to be stewards of its financial and sporting sustainability. If there are instances where they have failed to land his targets, it’s likely because the players were prohibitively expensive. Mourinho doesn’t care, he just wants to win for himself and damn the consequences down the line. But it would be nuts for the club to spend 50-80M (each) on 30 year old wingers like Perisic and Willian.

One also has to look at what he has done with the players he has bought. Mkhitaryan....already sacked him off. Lindelof, deemed not good enough. Bailly, jury is still out. That’s 60m on 2 centerbacks, and apparently we need at least one more. Now at 50m. Then let’s look at Pogba, a 90m player, who loves the club, has just shown for his country what a fantastic player he is; and Mou doesn’t have a clue how to get the best out of him. And has seemingly alienated him.

The club has backed him big time. Pogba, Sanchez, Lukaku, Matic....all MASSIVE transfers. And he’s still failed to build a team that can actually string more than 3 attacking passes together.

Any of our other top six rival coaches, would have put together a much better team with these players at their disposal.
 
So dream scenario? We can't get a big name mid-season. If we implode and Mourinho stinks the place up, give it to McKenna and Carrick until the end of the season. Surely we can't get any worse? Then go for someone more established next Summer.

I wouldn't lose any sleep if Mourinho publicly slagged the fans off, as well as the team, SAF, Sir Bobby and Woody, making it impossible to enter the season with him. Have McKenna give it a shot, with Carrick and Neville as assistants.
We couldnt do any worse. I'm dreading a week on friday and if Pogba goes to Juventus as well, can see Mou packing it in before the season starts. I think with his constant whining, the fact hes never moved his family up to Manchester, his living out of an hotel has always meant hes only here short term anyway. Even the club knew something isnt right with only giving him a 1 year extention
 
But the player wants to leave and the manager wants to sign another winger(Perisic,Rebic,Willian)... So if he wants to sign a new winger,then he clearly doesn’t fancy Martial.The signing of Sanchez in itself was a vote of no confidence against Martial...Woodward’s probably told Jose that he needs to offload atleast 1 high profile attacking player if he wants to add another...

Why do talk like it's Jose who does the deals with teams? It's Woody's job.
 
I am an admitted Jose fanboy - but, feck me these last few weeks (perhaps months) have made it so tough!
 
Trouble is Jose is p*ssing off the players who could make us title challengers if he could get the best out of them, the ones who are eternally grateful to him and he has praised to the hilt in the past could make us a Top 6 challenger instead. Not sure what to make of his Sanchez comments from last night either. He praised him and deservedly so but slagged off the rest in the process. You have to be careful and not create divisions.

But that division is classic Jose. Look at his praising of Matic, Lukaku and even McTominany last season. He slags off the team, then picks one player out for praise before returning to how shit everyone else.

I don't see any point in it - it's not like the us vs them siege-mentality that SAF used to build, or that Jose built at Chelsea the first time around. It's just sad and bitter and leaves us with an unsettled squad and sod all chance of competing this season.

Honestly, I'll be amazed if Mourinho is there after Christmas.
 
He's not helping himself but he has every right to be pissed off at the board. City and Liverpool both have far better attacking units than us and have both just strengthened further with sensible additions that will actually take them a step further across all competitions. Meanwhile we're still chasing Bale all these years later. Do they think Mahrez wouldn't have improved us? A player like Shaquiri is not a better bench option than Mata at 13m? The Sanchez signing is nothing more than muppet food and considering the knock on effect on the squad has not improved us at all.

We have 1 starting calibre striker. 1 starting calibre LW. No starting calibre RW. 4 full backs who wouldn't start at fecking Everton. Shambles at CB.

Time ago we complained at the neglect in CM. Now it's the only functioning part of the squad which isn't in need of massive investment.

The Glazers are totally fecking us.
 
He's not helping himself but he has every right to be pissed off at the board. City and Liverpool both have far better attacking units than us and have both just strengthened further with sensible additions that will actually take them a step further across all competitions. Meanwhile we're still chasing Bale all these years later. Do they think Mahrez wouldn't have improved us? A player like Shaquiri is not a better bench option than Mata at 13m? The Sanchez signing is nothing more than muppet food and considering the knock on effect on the squad has not improved us at all.

We have 1 starting calibre striker. 1 starting calibre LW. No starting calibre RW. 4 full backs who wouldn't start at fecking Everton. Shambles at CB.

Time ago we complained at the neglect in CM. Now it's the only functioning part of the squad which isn't in need of massive investment.

The Glazers are totally fecking us.
Please!!
 
You are right that the problem is bigger than Mou. Although he is a huge problem. The problem is there is no overarching strategy. We continue to hire coaches who have antithetical styles to their predecessor, this rendering half the squad useless for the new tactical system.

In terms of giving Jose the signings he wants, we also have to acknowledge that we don’t know who he asked for, and what the cost would’ve been to the club. The club is going to be here long after Mourinho, and the board have to be stewards of its financial and sporting sustainability. If there are instances where they have failed to land his targets, it’s likely because the players were prohibitively expensive. Mourinho doesn’t care, he just wants to win for himself and damn the consequences down the line. But it would be nuts for the club to spend 50-80M (each) on 30 year old wingers like Perisic and Willian.

One also has to look at what he has done with the players he has bought. Mkhitaryan....already sacked him off. Lindelof, deemed not good enough. Bailly, jury is still out. That’s 60m on 2 centerbacks, and apparently we need at least one more. Now at 50m. Then let’s look at Pogba, a 90m player, who loves the club, has just shown for his country what a fantastic player he is; and Mou doesn’t have a clue how to get the best out of him. And has seemingly alienated him.

The club has backed him big time. Pogba, Sanchez, Lukaku, Matic....all MASSIVE transfers. And he’s still failed to build a team that can actually string more than 3 attacking passes together.

Any of our other top six rival coaches, would have put together a much better team with these players at their disposal.

Absolutely. I am not sure about final league positions, but Klopp/Guardiola/Poch would have definitely gotten much more out of this squad. Guardiola in specific would have loved the likes of Pogba, Mata or Martial.
 
I thought Rojo is going soon?

About Martial, well it is a bit complicated, I agree and the board probably don't agree with him and they have the right to do so. And, the board let him sign a top class attacking player as you said last window. Maybe they expected him to do a bit better with it first. TBH, seeing him trying that 3 5 2 thing, I was kind of thinking that Croatian guy that he likes will come soon.
It’s not easy to offload Rojo to be fair...Why did we give him a 5 year contract a few months ago??Why?Its a perplexing decision...He’s comfortably the worst central defender at the club,for all the stick that we constantly give Jones and Smalling,they are both way better than Rojo.

I think Woodward would want atleast 25-30 million quid for Rojo,and I”m not sure who’s going to buy him for that amount.Perisic is someone who was far more attainable last summer...He signed a 5 year contract 6 months ago and after the WC,his price has just gone off the roof.If we want to sign him,we”ll have to shell out 75 million plus...
 
I wish the world cup never ended.
Sadly the world cup really highlighted what a chore it is to watch United. Almost every match was genuinely enjoyable. In comparison watching us play anti-football is about as enjoyable as watching grass grow.
 
Sadly the world cup really highlighted what a chore it is to watch United. Almost every match was genuinely enjoyable. In comparison watching us play anti-football is about as enjoyable as watching grass grow.

And pretty much all of our players looked better for their national teams than they did playing for us, aside from De Gea
 
I agree about the Martial situation. We have known he is unhappy and wanted to go, but then he has had to used him due to World Cup holidays. Yet maybe we should have just concentrated on getting rid of him as he really hasn't made much difference to our performances on tour anyway. You can just see Ed and Jose on a collision course here.
Hopefully Alexis will be like a new signing this season...If Alexis rediscovers his Arsenal form,then we”ll be fine...If he fails again this season,we”ll be in serious trouble...
 
It’s not easy to offload Rojo to be fair...Why did we give him a 5 year contract a few months ago??Why?Its a perplexing decision...He’s comfortably the worst central defender at the club,for all the stick that we constantly give Jones and Smalling,they are both way better than Rojo.

I think Woodward would want atleast 25-30 million quid for Rojo,and I”m not sure who’s going to buy him for that amount.Perisic is someone who was far more attainable last summer...He signed a 5 year contract 6 months ago and after the WC,his price has just gone off the roof.If we want to sign him,we”ll have to shell out 75 million plus...
We should have just bitten the bullet and paid whatever Inter wanted last season.
 
I just want to throw it out there; we finished second behind a superb side.

It will be tough for City to win their first back-to-back title. We've strengthened (albeit slightly) compared to last season, more is sure to come. Competitors haven't done that great either, maybe Liverpool but they are still Liverpool.

Stop the exaggerations dudes, we're not crashing and burning.
 
It’s not easy to offload Rojo to be fair...Why did we give him a 5 year contract a few months ago??Why?Its a perplexing decision...He’s comfortably the worst central defender at the club,for all the stick that we constantly give Jones and Smalling,they are both way better than Rojo.

I think Woodward would want atleast 25-30 million quid for Rojo,and I”m not sure who’s going to buy him for that amount.Perisic is someone who was far more attainable last summer...He signed a 5 year contract 6 months ago and after the WC,his price has just gone off the roof.If we want to sign him,we”ll have to shell out 75 million plus...
Maybe with the blessing of manager, he was given that contract?

Rojo was comfortably the best CB for most of the period when he played under Jose.

Point is it is not all the board's fault. They have to be a bit sensible with how after shit loads of money they spent after SAF, regardless of whatever manager fault it is.

Most clubs have disagreements between the manager and the club but hardly many of them moan about it in every other pressers before, during or after playing season. They just got on with what they have. Nothing unique about it only for Jose.
 
My biggest worry personally is that none of the players look particularly happy to be here. Not sure if that's Jose's fault or what but I can't remember a situation with the club where basically all of what you would class as the top tier players don't really want to be at the club.

It seems like the policy of paying the best wages for the big players is kind of backfiring now.... We will see, it's been a bad summer after a disappointing season for us so spirits are bound to be low at the moment, we have good players but we just need to get them all firing together.
 
I just want to throw it out there; we finished second behind a superb side.

It will be tough for City to win their first back-to-back title. We've strengthened (albeit slightly) compared to last season, more is sure to come. Competitors haven't done that great either, maybe Liverpool but they are still Liverpool.

Stop the exaggerations dudes, we're not crashing and burning.
I cannot stand the boring s**t we play. It is soul destroying. God knows what those poor souls thought watching us last night. He is destroying our legacy as an attacking, flair side. That is what matters.
 
Absolutely. I am not sure about final league positions, but Klopp/Guardiola/Poch would have definitely gotten much more out of this squad. Guardiola in specific would have loved the likes of Pogba, Mata or Martial.
Are you serious? You've seen how much Peps teams press, right? Martial wouldn't be anywhere near the starting XI and Mata simply isn't mobile enough to be a Pep player. There would need to be wholesale changes for us to perform to Peps blurprint. It would be the same for Poch and Klopp, too.
 
Are you serious? You've seen how much Peps teams press, right? Martial wouldn't be anywhere near the starting XI and Mata simply isn't mobile enough to be a Pep player. There would need to be wholesale changes for us to perform to Peps blurprint. It would be the same for Poch and Klopp, too.
Yes, Pep would have to make changes, but he would make sure they are made and that they are the right changes. We are playing football that reflects the managers mood most of the time.
 
Yes, Pep would have to make changes, but he would make sure they are made and that they are the right changes. We are playing football that reflects the managers mood most of the time.
He wouldn't be playing those aforementioned players, that's for sure. Jose is constantly criticised for insisting his attacking players put in a defensive shift, but it's the same for every top manager.
 
I just want to throw it out there; we finished second behind a superb side.

It will be tough for City to win their first back-to-back title. We've strengthened (albeit slightly) compared to last season, more is sure to come. Competitors haven't done that great either, maybe Liverpool but they are still Liverpool.

Stop the exaggerations dudes, we're not crashing and burning.

All true, very fair, and at times does need to be pointed out. But I think we'd all like to be entertained by us more, a simple style change would probably brighten up everyones mood. Our players don't play with much expression, and that's painful to see.
 

What would you call it? Two £30m+ CBs bought, and neither is supposedly good enough to nail down a starting place. All these years down the line and we're still starting the chuckle brothers at CB, and that's before you start looking at the FBs. It stinks of penny-pinching.
 
He wouldn't be playing those aforementioned players, that's for sure. Jose is constantly criticised for insisting his attacking players put in a defensive shift, but it's the same for every top manager.
The difference with those teams is yes their attackers are expected to track back and close down, but more often than not they just blitz teams with their attacking anyway. We start off attacking, might with some luck get a goal, then instead of pressing the advantage home, we sit back. That is so wrong.
 
What would you call it? Two £30m+ CBs bought, and neither is supposedly good enough to nail down a starting place. All these years down the line and we're still starting the chuckle brothers at CB, and that's before you start looking at the FBs. It stinks of penny-pinching.
Nah it stinks of useless management.
 
Its such a weird situation to be honest. I mean you cant say he hasn't been backed. He has had some amazing transfers which some coaches would dream off and he should be getting more out of his squad.

I for one think a team like below should be challenging at the very top. (bold = replace with some more signings).

De Gea
Valancia Bailey Smalling Young
Matic Pogba Fred
Sanchez Lukaku Rashford

We generally have a great squad but Jose is just killing the fun out of the season before it already begins. I get he is angry and feels let down by his board but he doesnt have to ruin it for everyone :/
 
The difference with those teams is yes their attackers are expected to track back and close down, but more often than not they just blitz teams with their attacking anyway. We start off attacking, might with some luck get a goal, then instead of pressing the advantage home, we sit back. That is so wrong.
You're moving the goalposts here. The poster stated Martial and Mata would thrive under Pep, which simply isn't the case.
 
What would you call it? Two £30m+ CBs bought, and neither is supposedly good enough to nail down a starting place. All these years down the line and we're still starting the chuckle brothers at CB, and that's before you start looking at the FBs. It stinks of penny-pinching.

It's the exact opposite of penny pinching, isn't it? We keep throwing money at the problem, instead of investing wisely.
 
You're moving the goalposts here. The poster stated Martial and Mata would thrive under Pep, which simply isn't the case.
Doesn't it depend if they really believe in the manager and will then do things they normally wouldn't, that he can get players to do things they didn't think they were capable of.
 
Doesn't it depend if they really believe in the manager and will then do things they normally wouldn't, that he can get players to do things they didn't think they were capable of.
Mata isnt suddenly going to become more mobile.
 
I find it difficult to see what Jose is actually trying to do and that is the hardest thing to accept.
I did actually agree that Jose was maybe the best option for us despite the bowls of protest from some quarters but after almost 3 years I’m tired of the constant unrest in the squad.
We all know that our squad was disjointed when Jose took over but after so much money being spent we are still disjointed. Whereas money spent by our rivals seems astute and purposeful.
Someone said how watching the World Cup was an eye opener in terms of the football being played and they are spot on.
In Pogba, we have one of the best in the world but Jose seems almost heel bent on driving him out. Pogba may have some attitude problems but other managers would be able to work around them and get the best out of the player.
Same with Martial. Martial was doing really well and then got his number given to Zlatan before being shunted out by a, so far, poor Sanchez. Really poor management.
Now we seem from the outside to have a squad consisting largely of brilliant but underperforming players and players who aren’t good enough.
Do any of our players (except for Valencia, Lukaku and Lingard) actually seem to be happy? I am a manager, granted not of a football club but keeping my workforce happy is a massive part of my life whether I actually like them or their attitudes. In this respect Jose is failing 100%.
There are positives. We make a lot of money. We have DDG, Lukaku and a couple of great academy prospects in Rashford and Lingard. But are these really all we should be satisfied with?
We are a massive club and always will be but unfortunately we seem to have lost our footballing prowess. Who actually enjoys watching us now? Not me. My children are at an age where I’m trying to get them to share my love of this club but both prefer watching city, Liverpool and Spurs. Who can blame them? Where is the fun in our club now?
 
Jose winds me up properly more and more each day passing. Proper 3rd season meltdown BS stinking up the place at the moment.

Utterly wank transfer manager who expects players in, but doesn't lift a finger to ship out unwanted deadwood because apparently 'it's not his job'. Every season there's a list of 5 players to come in but nobody leaves. No Jose, we don't want a squad of 100 players on 100+k a week thank you very much. United is not a charity for players to come to, sign big contracts and then sit on the bench because YOU can't get them to perform the way you want.
 
He's a bad fit for this club. I would love for us to be proactive and sack him before he does too much damage. Bring in a young coach with fresh ideas and an attacking mindset. Convince Martial to stay, and let our young players play a free flowing fast paced attacking style of football. It'd create a feel good factor around the club.
 
It's the exact opposite of penny pinching, isn't it? We keep throwing money at the problem, instead of investing wisely.

In an era where top-class CBs are £50m + we're cutting corners and trying to unearth gems at half the price. Trouble is as soon as these unfinished articles slip up they get dropped never to return.

Just look at the Dalot signing. Instead of a proven £40m player we spend half that on a player with 6 professional games on his CV. And when he struggles he will get binned off.

The transfer strategy is clearly being dictated from the top. It has failed because it totally clashes with the 'win-now play experience' ethos of the manager. Why bother appointing Jose if we're not signing the players he wants?

The football club is horribly run, it needs a football man in there.
 
I think the worst thing is that we have had awful seasons and worse times like when we weren't in the cl but I can't remember a season where the mood was so downbeat before the start of the season. Football is so important for a lot of people and to actually be going into the new season with the club in such a down state is pretty depressing