Jose has to go after hir comments about our youth, simple as that. He went too far. The club is bigger as every player, every manager and the clubs future is its youth. A Manager has to back the kids and help them to find their way to the top. Jose is destroying the future and the identity of Manchester United!
With Jose still in charge - I am NOT looking forward to next season
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My god how the standards at this club have fallen.Edit: I misread that as ‘huge success’, apologies. Still don’t think it’s true though. We have better players, but we still look clueless most of the time.
Are we a better team now than when he arrived? Yep, but that’s not saying much about the quality of the job he’s done.
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I mean he's not wrong, given where we started.
The future and identity of Utd is in ruins. Indeed. No need to get carried away or anything.
Well there certainly hasn't been any improvement and it's our main weakness.
Mou has turned most of caf toxic too. So much negativity around United.
Just shows how much a manager has an effect on the club. Arsenal fans are actually waiting for the next season to begin. Buzzing. So are City fans and especially Liverpool like me are really looking forward to it. Chelsea fans had none to be happy about but under Sarri they look cautiously optimistic. Even after probably losing Courtois + Willian/Hazard. Hazard will leave after next year anyway. The point is losing those players is not the end of the world if/when you have optimistic manager instead of Conte bemoaning.
Whiners just make everything worse.
I honestly think United have very good players, the kind a few other managers would take an instant, but Moaninho is just making United seem a really bad place to work at the moment. The only thing good about it is the money. Like real life, but sure you won't put extra effort for a bitching boss.
I can't think a single player who enjoys playing for United and Jose now. Maybe you can...
But what can YOU as a fan do about it? Stop throwing kerosine to the fire. And find something positive about the games no matter how small. Be that a player who played well or some other detail. Makes your life so much more bearable watching and supporting your team. I know from experience being Liverpool fan and all that.
Just shows how much a manager has an effect on the club. Arsenal fans are actually waiting for the next season to begin. Buzzing. So are City fans and especially Liverpool like me are really looking forward to it. Chelsea fans had none to be happy about but under Sarri they look cautiously optimistic. Even after probably losing Courtois + Willian/Hazard. Hazard will leave after next year anyway. The point is losing those players is not the end of the world if/when you have optimistic manager instead of Conte bemoaning.
Whiners just make everything worse.
I honestly think United have very good players, the kind a few other managers would take an instant, but Moaninho is just making United seem a really bad place to work at the moment. The only thing good about it is the money. Like real life, but sure you won't put extra effort for a bitching boss.
I can't think a single player who enjoys playing for United and Jose now. Maybe you can...
But what can YOU as a fan do about it? Stop throwing kerosine to the fire. And find something positive about the games no matter how small. Be that a player who played well or some other detail. Makes your life so much more bearable watching and supporting your team. I know from experience being Liverpool fan and all that.
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I can think of at least 10,15,20 players that don't mind picking up their wages at the ever of the month. How can anyone be sure that all, some or any players enjoy or.dont enjoy playing under Jose. It's all guess work.
If it's a bad news story we all lap it up yet all we get is the usual.'reliable sources' crap. Bad news sells papers, Man Utd sells papers, add them both together and it's a lot better than a good news story coming out of Bournemouth that's for sure. If players come out publicly in support of the manager then it's immediately dismissed as towing the club line. The guy cannot win. Until somebody else is in charge he gets my backing.
Well Conte and Mourinho have both managed to do what no Liverpool manager has done in the last few decades, win the league. I doubt the Chelsea fans who watched their team win those trophies thought either of them were "making everything worse".
Much as I've been highly critical of Jose and wouldn't really tip us for the title this season as things stand, the writing off of him completely to the point where you've got people saying the writing's on the wall etc before we've even played a league season strikes me as bizarre. I'd understand it somewhat if we'd visibly declined last season but we did demonstrate some improvement despite our disappointing end to the season in the FA Cup, and on the basis of that it's not like we could be described as on the slide.
We'll probably romp to the title with Lukaku scoring 45 league goals and Herrera scoring a hat-trick in the CL final now. Either that or finish 5th and lose to Barnsley in the League Cup. Hopefully the former.
We'll probably romp to the title with Lukaku scoring 45 league goals and Herrera scoring a hat-trick in the CL final now. Either that or finish 5th and lose to Barnsley in the League Cup. Hopefully the former.
Haha, no its not. We have spent big money on our 1st team and players in their early 20's and outside of some really inconsistent players hovering around our squad our players coming out of our academy are barely good enough for mid table.
We struck it lucky in the 90's but outside of Gerard Pique they have all been average or shite. Rashford might get close to decent but he has so many flaws in his game that he may end up being a fast Welbeck.
Don't be conning yourselves people. This club has always bought readymade players hitting their primes or something special like Ronaldo or Solskjar. This youth obsession and resale value is a big distraction for a club that wants to be top every year. I get the romance of it all and give a respectful nod to players like Drinkwater and Simpson for their league win or Shawcross for a great defensive display but lets not kid ourselves. They are nowhere near a £30million Ferdinand or a £40million Matic.
We have had 5 seasons of crappy negative football but the difference being last season we had some periods of consistency. We are not in a position right now to give free reign to some youth products in our 1st 11. It didnt happen under SAF unless it was a cup game or unimportant CL/Prem game where the points didnt matter. Van Gaal went to the academy simply because he cleared out a lot of squad players and when injuries piled up he had no choice. We need players like Perisic and Alderwireld in this team so there is a platform for young players. Although not spectacular they could do a good job in this team, Ferguson understood this and was very successful in putting together teams that were greater than the sum of its parts. Otherwise we would be have been spouting shite like why we need to buy an Irish midfielder off Nottingham Forest when we have Robbie Savage doing the business on Thursday night matches in front of 36 people.
I think we will finish 2nd again or an out on our own 3rd place. I would fecking love an all out assault on the champions league though. Either way I expect the players to do a lot better this season and start playing some fluid football in attack. Our attacking players are proficient in all positions up front so start fecking moving for each other and be braver in their passing.
Stop with the SAF comparisons. It's getting tedious to see points being made with the only defense being the greatest manager of all time did it, so it must be ok for this here lad.
Everyone needs to stop that useless comparison.
"SAF would have done so much better with Martial"
"SAF did it too"
Pointless altogether
Nah, you’re wrong. @devilish made some valid points there.
And it’s important that people remember even Fergie wasn’t infallible. It’s hard enough as it is for his successors to fill his shoes without being compared to an idealised version of him, who never signed any flops, or fell out with talented players. Which is what you guys seem to want to happen.
Fergie was the best football manager of my lifetime but he made mistakes, throughout his career, just like any other manager. He’s admitted as much himself. Reminding people of this gives much-needed perspective and is far from “pointless”.
Of course everyne including the greatest manager of all time makes mistakes at one point or another in their entire career, whoever can't see it is beyond help anyway.
But bashing Jose or defending him using SAF is pointless because they have different positions in term of power in the club at two different times in history. What SAF could afford to do may not apply for Jose as he is very much more dispensable. While not just assess what Jose is doing by itself, but I guess its too much to ask from such an opinionated crowd.
What does this even mean?
And we all know the different circumstances faced by Mourinho vs SAF. Still doesn’t make references to our former manager irrelevant.
I agree. Managers are people who rely on other people (most of whom are young adults) to succeed. People tend to be unpredictable, error prone and driven by emotions. One terrible experience (a bad injury, problems at home, a failed marriage) is all it takes for people to change
I am one of the few in here who don't idolise SAF. I think he was the best manager United ever had and the best manager of his generation but I also think he made his share of mistakes too. However the past 4 years had given me plenty food for thought. We've witnessed Moyes, LVG and now Mou lamenting about our club's inability to bring the players they need. We also witnessing them resorting to their former players or players that they can personally influence to sign with us, which suggest that either they ran out of ideas or they are being forced to use their contacts to bring players they need. So I am wondering were SAF's value strategy, his obsession with players like Valencia, Young, Smalling and Jones who had no chance in hell to ever become WC let alone replace top talent like Giggs, Ronaldo, Rio and Vidic, his constant U-Turns in terms of the transfer market (ie I need 4 players - I am happy with my squad) and him totally ignoring the CM problem was really his share of mistakes or whether he was the fall guy for the incompetence of others. If that's the case then United's problem is way bigger and complex then we think and no sacking of managers will not sort it out.
It's pointless, or rather dishonest, to give a perspective regarding his mistakes without the context of his success.
Manager A made mistakes, so we shouldn't be too harsh on manager B. The thing is, Manager A's mistakes are more easily forgiven what he has brought to the club and its fans.
Quiet a few posters have mentioned that the majority of his issues could be swallowed easier if he took a more strategic stance in front of the media. I'm not one of those but you can see how the problems seem worse when he fuels the fire.
In reality, we can only speculate as to what is happening behind the scenes. As for me, I am happy with the table progression so far but bored to death by the football. This season, i expect improvement, that's it. Simply make anything better so we can see there is still a positive curve. I don't like Mourinho but i want him to succeed while here.