Why are we not in for Hernandez ?

He's a goalscorer, but I can't imagine he's someone Jose will want to be starting for us next season.

If he was happy being a rotational player, then we'd be very stupid not to go in for him.

Unfortunately, I don't think that's the case.
 
I would be in for him at that price, provided he is happy to have the same role he had last time here. I'd expect him to add 10 goals in a season which is a solid amount when you consider he'd mostly be an impact sub. Someone to throw on when our strikers are having an off day, or when we're chasing a result and need to increase our attacking presence in the opposition box.

However I don't there is any real credible link between us and him and only because he is a former United player is this topic here. It's not so much why aren't we in for him, it's more so that Mourinho is too busy being in for other targets right now. If we were in a position of strength with a well assembled and settled squad, he's someone we could be picking up. The other problem is of course he will take away game time from Rashford which would be a huge negative.
 
I presume because he's not good enough to start for us and wouldn't want to move without guarantees of playing time.
 
You genuinely can't see a middle ground there can you? It's got to be either Defoe or Belotti has it.

I think you are deliberately misunderstanding my point. I would love the club to sign a LB, a RB, 2 x CMs, a RW, a LW, a #10 and 3 CFs but that clearly isn't going to happen is it.

I would rather be starting this season knowing I had a Hernandez/Defoe to call on from the bench to support Rashford and Morata. I hear a lot of Utd fans criticising people who come up with pragmatic suggestions but I don't see any names being put forward
 
By the looks of it Javier Hernandez is off to West Ham for £12-£13 million which for a proven goal scorer at the highest level who's approaching or in his peak years is next to nothing so given our known finishing problems and given that Jose is a known fan why are we not in for him if only to add some depth to a forward line that currently has one striker in a 19 year old Rashford.
Looks like he's past his 'peak'.
 
One of those players that always appear to be 'lucky' in front of goal, which is certainly a good trait to have.

Not necessarily easy to judge the impact he would have here based on form elsewhere as his game is pure poaching.
 
I think you are deliberately misunderstanding my point. I would love the club to sign a LB, a RB, 2 x CMs, a RW, a LW, a #10 and 3 CFs but that clearly isn't going to happen is it.

I would rather be starting this season knowing I had a Hernandez/Defoe to call on from the bench to support Rashford and Morata. I hear a lot of Utd fans criticising people who come up with pragmatic suggestions but I don't see any names being put forward
It's not pragmatic suggestions, it's settling for substandard players because they are reasonably priced. You need to get away from this 'can do a job' mentality. We are Manchester United for christ sake, we should never be signing the rejects of Spurs and Leverkusen. We arent a mud table side. Hell take a look at Everton and how they've spent their money so far. Are they signing over they hill players to flesh out their squad? Would you see Madrid, Barca or Bayern doing that? Are City, Chelsea or even Arsenal doing it?

We haven't even got into the point yet that both Hernandez and Defoe have moved in the past because they want to be playing regularly, they don't want to be warming the bench. Or how you've just decided Martial doesn't exist.
 
In answer to the thread title, I don't know. He's a goal scorer and knows the club, would welcome him back.
 
Exactly the same as last year then, only with a fair chance that Morata won't score as many as Zlatan did. That didn't pan out brilliantly in terms of scoring goals did it?

I dont think Mourinho intends to use Rashford as an impact sub and Martial has never really seemed suited for that role. There are very few players currently in the squad that you could throw on for the last 20 mins and be confident of them poaching a goal, Rashford included.

Really we have 2 strikers to replace in Zlatan and Rooney, but we don't really want to push Rashford or Martial further down the pecking order - therefore it could be argued that a fourth striker is exactly what we need, rather than an additional first 11 striker as well as Morata.
It wasn't rashford and martial missing the main chances last year it was Pogba and Lingard and Zlatan during a busy spell.
Anyway, I'm happy knowing he isn't coming back, we need better players than him
 
We have one striker. One striker that's a) 19, b) isn't the type our manager usually uses, and c) has shown very little impact as a sub (especially in the striker role).

Why do people insist on talking the starkest nonsense despite this fact is beyond me, particularly in light of the fact that their dear leader has highlighted this very fact (lacking numbers in attack) as our glaring deficiency last season, and not only that, but mentioned Hernandez specifically as an example of what we need. Everyone seemed to have lapped that up at the time. We are now one striker less since that Mourinho whinge (our top scorer at that), and now everyone is against it. You could not make this up.

Rafa is that you? Hahaha

Breathe mate, is anyone saying don't sign a striker?
We need to sign strikers but not average ones like Hernandez we need first team players.
You even pointed out our 1st choice striker is gone so let's get a suitable replacement not a former player who couldn't lead the line.
We need a winger a striker a midfielder and possibly a full back, those are keys positions that need filled (starting 11 calibre!)
Morata rashford martial is not a bad trio going into a new season.
 
Rafa is that you? Hahaha

Breathe mate, is anyone saying don't sign a striker?
We need to sign strikers but not average ones like Hernandez we need first team players.
You even pointed out our 1st choice striker is gone so let's get a suitable replacement not a former player who couldn't lead the line.
We need a winger a striker a midfielder and possibly a full back, those are keys positions that need filled (starting 11 calibre!)
Morata rashford martial is not a bad trio going into a new season.
Can we afford buying two first team strikers? We're losing both Zlatan and Rooney, we aren't getting just one player for that.
 
The truth is he's not very good. I always saw him as a striker that has to play with another striker to get the best out of him. Outside of the box he's very limited and his link up play is not the best. He always seemed to be in the right place in the box though.
 
It's not pragmatic suggestions, it's settling for substandard players because they are reasonably priced. You need to get away from this 'can do a job' mentality. We are Manchester United for christ sake, we should never be signing the rejects of Spurs and Leverkusen. We arent a mud table side. Hell take a look at Everton and how they've spent their money so far. Are they signing over they hill players to flesh out their squad? Would you see Madrid, Barca or Bayern doing that? Are City, Chelsea or even Arsenal doing it?

We haven't even got into the point yet that both Hernandez and Defoe have moved in the past because they want to be playing regularly, they don't want to be warming the bench. Or how you've just decided Martial doesn't exist.

You've got to consider how ridiculously short of attacking options the current squad is. LVG inherited 4 strikers, added Falcao and then left his predecessor with Rooney and 2 talented but very inexperienced kids. That is nowhere near enough for a club like United.

Martial and Rashford can both play wide. Throwing on both plus 2 strikers when chasing a game is not over committing in the slightest. To be able to do that United (assuming Rooney leaves) needs to sign at least 2 strikers and that's assuming everyone stays fit.

Hernandez would be a really good option in the squad. When he left it wasn't because he wanted to start every week. It was when LVG told him he would never play.

There isn't a clinical finisher/poacher in the squad. There is a real need for one and if Hernandez was still at the club, I think he would get plenty of minutes. The question is now, is it worth paying more than the club sold him for to buy him back when he's arguably now worth less.
 
Rafa is that you? Hahaha

Breathe mate, is anyone saying don't sign a striker?
We need to sign strikers but not average ones like Hernandez we need first team players.
You even pointed out our 1st choice striker is gone so let's get a suitable replacement not a former player who couldn't lead the line.
We need a winger a striker a midfielder and possibly a full back, those are keys positions that need filled (starting 11 calibre!)
Morata rashford martial is not a bad trio going into a new season.
Hilarious :rolleyes:

Everything you asserted there is falsely antithetic with signing an impact sub, and arrant nonsense.
 
You've got to consider how ridiculously short of attacking options the current squad is. LVG inherited 4 strikers, added Falcao and then left his predecessor with Rooney and 2 talented but very inexperienced kids. That is nowhere near enough for a club like United.

Martial and Rashford can both play wide. Throwing on both plus 2 strikers when chasing a game is not over committing in the slightest. To be able to do that United (assuming Rooney leaves) needs to sign at least 2 strikers and that's assuming everyone stays fit.

Hernandez would be a really good option in the squad. When he left it wasn't because he wanted to start every week. It was when LVG told him he would never play.

There isn't a clinical finisher/poacher in the squad. There is a real need for one and if Hernandez was still at the club, I think he would get plenty of minutes. The question is now, is it worth paying more than the club sold him for to buy him back when he's arguably now worth less.
So how many strikers did City, Spurs, Chelsea and Liverpool have last season? Were they ridiculously short of attacking options too? 3 strikers is all you need when you play with one man up top. If we want a fourth option it should be a young player who is content on the bench and has room to improve.

You seem to have got it backwards then. If we are having to use strikers as wingers then it shows we need to find wide men, not strikers.

No it wasn't. LVG told him he had "1 percent of playing regularly" not that he would never play.

Just spare a moment and actually consider the players who is keeping him out of the squad at Leverkusen. Frankly, if he wasn't a crowd favourite during his time here he wouldn't even be considered.
 
I dont know why we're not in for him. If Jose wants someone to come off the bench to score goals then Chicharito is the man for the job.
 
It's not pragmatic suggestions, it's settling for substandard players because they are reasonably priced. You need to get away from this 'can do a job' mentality. We are Manchester United for christ sake, we should never be signing the rejects of Spurs and Leverkusen. We arent a mud table side. Hell take a look at Everton and how they've spent their money so far. Are they signing over they hill players to flesh out their squad? Would you see Madrid, Barca or Bayern doing that? Are City, Chelsea or even Arsenal doing it?

We haven't even got into the point yet that both Hernandez and Defoe have moved in the past because they want to be playing regularly, they don't want to be warming the bench. Or how you've just decided Martial doesn't exist.

I don't count Martial as a CF because it's not his best position and its unlikely Jose will use him there. Fellaini played CF at Everton - I am not counting him either for the record

I am interested in whether you think Henrik Larsson was a good signing? What about Michael Owen? Laurent Blanc? Could even stick Zlatan in there - not exactly a long term solution was he? They all came in as squad players when we had a much stronger pool of players to choose from.

I remember Sheringham and Dwight Yorke being underwhelming signings in the opinions of more than a few

Everyone wants us to go out and sign Carlos Kickaball from South America because that's more exciting. If we bought in some nobody from SA everybody would be over the moon yet they would have to do amazingly well to score half the number of goals Defoe has scored in his career.
 
Bring in Hernandez and loan out Rashford :lol:

This thread is killing me.
 
I don't count Martial as a CF because it's not his best position and its unlikely Jose will use him there. Fellaini played CF at Everton - I am not counting him either for the record

I am interested in whether you think Henrik Larsson was a good signing? What about Michael Owen? Laurent Blanc? Could even stick Zlatan in there - not exactly a long term solution was he? They all came in as squad players when we had a much stronger pool of players to choose from.

I remember Sheringham and Dwight Yorke being underwhelming signings in the opinions of more than a few

Everyone wants us to go out and sign Carlos Kickaball from South America because that's more exciting. If we bought in some nobody from SA everybody would be over the moon yet they would have to do amazingly well to score half the number of goals Defoe has scored in his career.
You're comparing Fellaini playing as a striker with Martial? :lol: You know, that bloke we signed as a striker?

Larsson was ten times the player Hernandez was, and if anything, that was Fergie indulging himself. Blanc was widely critcised at the time and was brought in to replace Stam and Owen was a free playing on a pay to play contract ffs, he wouldn't cost 15mil and demand over 100k a week. And are you seriously comparing Hernandez to Yorke, Zlatan and Sheringham? Seriously?!

Who mentioned South America? But while we are on the subject let's look how City strengthened their attack last season. Did they sign a young prodigy from SA or did they resign Adebayour on the cheap? Maybe they should have signed Santa Cruz too, he'd come for nothing.

Anyway we are going in circles so I'll leave it here. Fingers crpssed we can lure Fletcher and O'shea back too.
 
It wasn't rashford and martial missing the main chances last year it was Pogba and Lingard and Zlatan during a busy spell.
Anyway, I'm happy knowing he isn't coming back, we need better players than him

Nobody was putting away the chances in all of those 0-0s, that's the whole point. If we only sign Morata then all we'll have done is replace Zlatan - we'll also have lost Rooney's goals (which isn't a massive deal admittedly but he did pop up with a few).

Bring in Hernandez and loan out Rashford :lol:

This thread is killing me.

You have chosen literally one post to characterise the whole thread!

You're comparing Fellaini playing as a striker with Martial? :lol: You know, that bloke we signed as a striker?

Larsson was ten times the player Hernandez was, and if anything, that was Fergie indulging himself. Blanc was widely critcised at the time and was brought in to replace Stam and Owen was a free playing on a pay to play contract ffs, he wouldn't cost 15mil and demand over 100k a week. And are you seriously comparing Hernandez to Yorke, Zlatan and Sheringham? Seriously?!

Who mentioned South America? But while we are on the subject let's look how City strengthened their attack last season. Did they sign a young prodigy from SA or did they resign Adebayour on the cheap? Maybe they should have signed Santa Cruz too, he'd come for nothing.

Anyway we are going in circles so I'll leave it here. Fingers crpssed we can lure Fletcher and O'shea back too.

:lol: so much vitriol!
 
If you were to get Hernandez, you would still pick up a nr. 1 striker, which would mean that he would once again spend quite a lot of time in the bench. He wouldn't play the important games anyway. He would probably be very handy for you guys, but I don't blame him for wanting regular playing time, and he wouldn't get that at United.
 
I'll never forget the goal he scored against Chelsea in the first minute of the game that practically won us the 19th title. Bought me for eternity
Should have never been sold. But that's LVG, bless him
 
He was sold because he'd been utterly crap for ages.

You mean during the season of Moyes, when most of our players looked utterly crap, or the season before where he scored 18 goals in 36 appearances as third/fourth choice striker?

If he was being used as an impact player (which is all that any of us are advocating) then his build up play is far less of an issue.

He was sold because he is pretty much the antithesis of an LVG player.
 
You mean during the season of Moyes, when most of our players looked utterly crap, or the season before where he scored 18 goals in 36 appearances as third/fourth choice striker?

If he was being used as an impact player (which is all that any of us are advocating) then his build up play is far less of an issue.

He was sold because he is pretty much the antithesis of an LVG player.
He doesn't want to be an impact player. If he did then he'd stay at a Leverkusen as back up to the 33 year old Kiessling. Surely the fact he can't hold down a starting berth at Leverkusen and that they are willing to let him go so easily should tell you something about where he is in his career right now?

Find it genuinely bizarre that fans of Manchester United would be happy to splash 15 Mil on a player who couldn't find a starting spot at at team of Leverkusens quality.
 
So how many strikers did City, Spurs, Chelsea and Liverpool have last season? Were they ridiculously short of attacking options too? 3 strikers is all you need when you play with one man up top. If we want a fourth option it should be a young player who is content on the bench and has room to improve.

You seem to have got it backwards then. If we are having to use strikers as wingers then it shows we need to find wide men, not strikers.

No it wasn't. LVG told him he had "1 percent of playing regularly" not that he would never play.

Just spare a moment and actually consider the players who is keeping him out of the squad at Leverkusen. Frankly, if he wasn't a crowd favourite during his time here he wouldn't even be considered.

Spurs basically threw Europe last season. Chelsea and Pool weren't even in it. Chelsea played with a squad of about 15 players last season. Liverpool had a disastrous run when they had a bit of fixture congestion. So yes, they were short of what a top team needs.

City often played with Toure as the deepest midfielder with 5 of De Bruyne, Silva, Sterling, Sane, Aguero and Jesus ahead. That's 6 players who have played as genuine forwards. Jesus Navas often played right back too. They are looking to add Silva and Sanchez (at least) to that.

That's the equivalent of Pogba, Miki and Mata in midfield with Rashford, Martial and a striker up front. United currently don't even have enough forwards to play that team, never mind with subs and accounting for injuries. So, City have far better attacking options than United.

It shows a real lack of football knowledge when people say something like "If we are having to use strikers as wingers then it shows we need to find wide men, not strikers".

Putting people into these categories of "winger" or "striker" who should play in that one position always and never anywhere else is just ridiculously naive, especially players like Rashford and Martial who clearly have positives in both roles.

Against a deep defensive unit when chasing a goal, I would rather Rashford out wide where he can use his pace to stretch a defence and take players on. Martial could play through the middle in certain circumstances but in most cases, when defences get deep, he's better in a wide area.

How many times last season did a ball go right across the face of goal with no United player anywhere near it? When chasing a comeback goal, how many times could Jose throw a goal poacher on who you expected to score. Hernandez's form for Leverkusen is irrelevant. He would have a completely different role at United, one he has done before brilliantly and one the current squad sorely lacks.
 
Spurs basically threw Europe last season. Chelsea and Pool weren't even in it. Chelsea played with a squad of about 15 players last season. Liverpool had a disastrous run when they had a bit of fixture congestion. So yes, they were short of what a top team needs.

City often played with Toure as the deepest midfielder with 5 of De Bruyne, Silva, Sterling, Sane, Aguero and Jesus ahead. That's 6 players who have played as genuine forwards. Jesus Navas often played right back too. They are looking to add Silva and Sanchez (at least) to that.

That's the equivalent of Pogba, Miki and Mata in midfield with Rashford, Martial and a striker up front. United currently don't even have enough forwards to play that team, never mind with subs and accounting for injuries. So, City have far better attacking options than United.

It shows a real lack of football knowledge when people say something like "If we are having to use strikers as wingers then it shows we need to find wide men, not strikers".

Putting people into these categories of "winger" or "striker" who should play in that one position always and never anywhere else is just ridiculously naive, especially players like Rashford and Martial who clearly have positives in both roles.

Against a deep defensive unit when chasing a goal, I would rather Rashford out wide where he can use his pace to stretch a defence and take players on. Martial could play through the middle in certain circumstances but in most cases, when defences get deep, he's better in a wide area.

How many times last season did a ball go right across the face of goal with no United player anywhere near it? When chasing a comeback goal, how many times could Jose throw a goal poacher on who you expected to score. Hernandez's form for Leverkusen is irrelevant. He would have a completely different role at United, one he has done before brilliantly and one the current squad sorely lacks.
Incredible then, that despite being short of options up front none of those teams have opted to pursue Hernandez, nor did they look to sign Defoe for that matter. Why do you think that is?

So you're happy to count Silva, Sane and Sterling as 'genuine forwards' but not the likes of Mata, Micky? At least show some consistency here.

Its naive to think a player who can play wide can automatically play as a forward. That's why he's going for Perisic, to play as a winger. Strikers play better as strikers, wingers play better as wingers, no matter how many positions a player can play you'll always get better performances when they are in their best position. Signing Hernandez so we can play Rashford as a winger doesn't make sense. Signing a winger so we can play Rashford as a striker does.

Yes they are looking to sign Sanchez and Silva not Javier bloody Hernandez. Signing bargain basement players who have failed to find a starting berth at a team with far smaller ambitions than our own will not help us bridge the gap to our rivals. It's a pretty rudimentary concept.

Why on earth would be discount someone's form over the last two years? Your nostalgic memories of the player is starting to seriously cloud your judgment. He's being binned for a reason.
 
He doesn't want to be an impact player. If he did then he'd stay at a Leverkusen as back up to the 33 year old Kiessling. Surely the fact he can't hold down a starting berth at Leverkusen and that they are willing to let him go so easily should tell you something about where he is in his career right now?

Find it genuinely bizarre that fans of Manchester United would be happy to splash 15 Mil on a player who couldn't find a starting spot at at team of Leverkusens quality.

Hey, we're talking about a hypothetical situation here whereby maybe he has changed his mind about not wanting to be used as an impact player. There is a huge difference to staying at Leverkusen as a back-up and coming back to United and being in the Champions League and hopefully challenging for the league title.

Yes he struggled at Leverkusen last season - there were stories in Bild about a falling out between him and the coaches - but the previous season he was in the top few goalscorers in the Bundesliga. Martial had a poor season last year too but doesn't mean that he is now utterly useless.

And it's £13 million not 15, no need to bump up the asking price to suit your agenda.
 
Hey, we're talking about a hypothetical situation here whereby maybe he has changed his mind about not wanting to be used as an impact player. There is a huge difference to staying at Leverkusen as a back-up and coming back to United and being in the Champions League and hopefully challenging for the league title.

Yes he struggled at Leverkusen last season - there were stories in Bild about a falling out between him and the coaches - but the previous season he was in the top few goalscorers in the Bundesliga. Martial had a poor season last year too but doesn't mean that he is now utterly useless.

And it's £13 million not 15, no need to bump up the asking price to suit your agenda.
Firstly, I did not specify a currency, I think you'll find €15mil is about £13mil so you can cut the 'agenda' bullshit for a start. For what it's worth I like Hernandez and have fond memories of his time at United. But that doesn't blind me to the truth. If he hadn't previously played for us this thread wouldn't exist. It's driven purely by nostalgia.

But he hasn't changed his mind has he. This isn't a case of United or Leverkusen, he's leaving the latter regardless of whether we are in for him or not. Bild have since come out and said there has been no falling out.

Martial is a 21 year old with the potential to be one of the best in the world. Hernandez is a journeyman who hasn't been able to hold down a position in a team outside Mexico for his entire career. The two aren't comparable.
 
Firstly, I did not specify a currency, I think you'll find €15mil is about £13mil so you can cut the 'agenda' bullshit for a start. For what it's worth I like Hernandez and have fond memories of his time at United. But that doesn't blind me to the truth. If he hadn't previously played for us this thread wouldn't exist. It's driven purely by nostalgia.

But he hasn't changed his mind has he. This isn't a case of United or Leverkusen, he's leaving the latter regardless of whether we are in for him or not. Bild have since come out and said there has been no falling out.

Martial is a 21 year old with the potential to be one of the best in the world. Hernandez is a journeyman who hasn't been able to hold down a position in a team outside Mexico for his entire career. The two aren't comparable.

Fecks sake mate you are one cross bunny when it comes to Hernandez aren't you?! We're an English club and all the discussion in this thread has been around the £13 million buy-out clause that has been reported - it's a bit weird of you to suddenly start quoting a price in Euros! But, hey, I know you don't have any agenda with Chicharito - any fool can see that you're totally neutral on the guy by reading your posts.

"he hasn't changed his mind has he"...how the heck can you say that with such assurance?! None of us know what is going on in his head at this moment, we are just discussing a hypothetical scenario.

Martial was purely used an example of a player who has just had a disappointing season - not as comparator in terms of quality or playing style. Just over a year ago Hernandez was one of the top scorers in the Bundesliga but you want to characterise him as having been totally useless for years.
 
Incredible then, that despite being short of options up front none of those teams have opted to pursue Hernandez, nor did they look to sign Defoe for that matter. Why do you think that is?

So you're happy to count Silva, Sane and Sterling as 'genuine forwards' but not the likes of Mata, Micky? At least show some consistency here.

Its naive to think a player who can play wide can automatically play as a forward. That's why he's going for Perisic, to play as a winger. Strikers play better as strikers, wingers play better as wingers, no matter how many positions a player can play you'll always get better performances when they are in their best position. Signing Hernandez so we can play Rashford as a winger doesn't make sense. Signing a winger so we can play Rashford as a striker does.

Yes they are looking to sign Sanchez and Silva not Javier bloody Hernandez. Signing bargain basement players who have failed to find a starting berth at a team with far smaller ambitions than our own will not help us bridge the gap to our rivals. It's a pretty rudimentary concept.

Why on earth would be discount someone's form over the last two years? Your nostalgic memories of the player is starting to seriously cloud your judgment. He's being binned for a reason.

Firstly, I compared Miki and Mata to De Bruyne and Silva directly. The fact City also have Aguero, Jesus, Sane, Sterling, now Bernardo Silva and potentially Sanchez while United have Rashford and Martial is the issue.

Would I rather United sign 3 top class forwards this summer than sign Hernandez? Of course. But, they are likely to spend £200m on Lindelof, Morata, Perisic and a midfield player. That is nowhere near enough goals in the squad. Top quality goal scorers don't come cheap. Will the club spend £300m+ this summer?
 
I'll never forget the goal he scored against Chelsea in the first minute of the game that practically won us the 19th title. Bought me for eternity
Should have never been sold. But that's LVG, bless him

Hernandez is a put all your eggs in one basket player. Requires the team to be almost perfect in ability to get something out of him singlehandedly. Could Jose utilised him? Yes. Could LVG utilise him? Yes. Could we find a much better player that can do 10x the things that Hernandez could do? Yes.

He can't hold on to the ball, he can't dribble, he was getting less able to beat the offside line and was scoring goals by falling on the floor and balls bouncing of his face. He could be the guy to get us 3 point wins from draws once in a whilst yet but there is no point in keeping back up options when we don't have a strong starter either.

Thank god LVG was here. The squad we would have had now without him may be more flashy but completely unsynchronised in my opinion.
 
We can argue this for donkeys years, any neutral could see both sides of the arguement and find legitimate reasons both for and against.
I would just like to add, as a critic of his all round game, first touch and ability to find himself off side, the one thing he can and does do, is put the ball in the back of the net if a half chance came along. A trait/option we desperately had need of last season, coming off the bench.
I really can't think of many guaranteed goal poacher types who we could pick up for less than 40 odd mill and above, so for 12mill, peanuts in this market we could do worse.
 
This thread is comedy gold, keep it coming lads. Fair play @ivaldo for indulging some of this guff for so long. Hang in there...
 
Fecks sake mate you are one cross bunny when it comes to Hernandez aren't you?! We're an English club and all the discussion in this thread has been around the £13 million buy-out clause that has been reported - it's a bit weird of you to suddenly start quoting a price in Euros! But, hey, I know you don't have any agenda with Chicharito - any fool can see that you're totally neutral on the guy by reading your posts.

"he hasn't changed his mind has he"...how the heck can you say that with such assurance?! None of us know what is going on in his head at this moment, we are just discussing a hypothetical scenario.

Martial was purely used an example of a player who has just had a disappointing season - not as comparator in terms of quality or playing style. Just over a year ago Hernandez was one of the top scorers in the Bundesliga but you want to characterise him as having been totally useless for years.
Does it really matter that much to you? Quite clearly I wasn't attempting to inflate the proposed fee, and instead of simply questioning it you sumised I had an agenda. So tell me what is my 'agenda'? It's generally a word thrown around here when someone has an opinion you don't like but I'd like you to tell me, specifically, what my agenda is.

No, I don't know with any assurance he has changed his mind, but I've got a damn sight more to go in making my assumption than you have that he has. Hypothetical or not, when you're discussing the validity of a player transfer you can't just ignore any aspect that goes against your point of view. And I'm the one with the agenda, apparently.

So what you are saying is you used an example with no relevancy to the point at hand. Excellent. Point me in the direction where I've said he's totally useless?

Last season he went more than 100 days without scoring, is getting binned by a club inferior to ours and has only ever scored more than 20 goals in a season once outside his native country. If anything the season before last was a purple patch not this goal machine you're trying to paint him as.
 
Firstly, I compared Miki and Mata to De Bruyne and Silva directly. The fact City also have Aguero, Jesus, Sane, Sterling, now Bernardo Silva and potentially Sanchez while United have Rashford and Martial is the issue.

Would I rather United sign 3 top class forwards this summer than sign Hernandez? Of course. But, they are likely to spend £200m on Lindelof, Morata, Perisic and a midfield player. That is nowhere near enough goals in the squad. Top quality goal scorers don't come cheap. Will the club spend £300m+ this summer?
You still haven't explained how signing a perennial bench warmer who has just come off the back of a season where he went 100 days without scoring is going to help us bridge the gap between City when they are, as you keep bleating on, about to sign Sanchez and Silva.

Cheers @Robbie Boy though I'm beginning to lose the will. It's all agenda driven now, apparently.