This is my feeling, the question is why are we not in for Hernandez? Well there's dozens of better players we are not in for. He's simply not good enough. People seem to love the underdog I guess, maybe he has that type of thing about him.
Why are we not in for Hernandez ?
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its not the dribbling its his very poor first touch and equally poor passing that puts most people off, you're just making stuff up to suit your argument. Zlatan didn't dribble past 5 players nor did rvp no did Rooney or Cole or Yorke or Ole or Ruud (ok once Fulham) thats the wingers job most the time, but we need someone to link our attack and he isn't good enough to do that.
I'm willing to bet he gets no where near golden boot as well, its a hypothetical point to use, what if Defoe wins it? what if Troy Denney wins it? should we of signed them? Kevin Phillips used to win it would we of signed him?
he doesn't match the standard or profile of players we need right now
I don't think anyone is suggesting him to lead the attack as first choice striker. If United sign Matic, Perisic and Morata it will have been quite a good window but even then the attack has nowhere near enough goals in it.
The team simply needs more goal scorers. If it's feasible to go out and spend another £60m+ on another quality forward then great. If not, I'd be really happy with a cheaper alternative. From last season's squad United will lose their only regular goal scorer and (hopefully) their all time top scorer.
Going into next season with less natural goal scorers than last season would be absolute negligence.
The team simply needs more goal scorers. If it's feasible to go out and spend another £60m+ on another quality forward then great. If not, I'd be really happy with a cheaper alternative. From last season's squad United will lose their only regular goal scorer and (hopefully) their all time top scorer.
Going into next season with less natural goal scorers than last season would be absolute negligence.
People keep stating this as though it's fact, but who knows what's going through his head now? After a couple of seasons playing for Leverkusen, and the prospect of signing for West Ham he might feel that actually being one of a number of options for United wasn't such a bad thing after all.
We need both of those things. Morata will hopefully be the former, but god knows we could have done with an impact sub in loads of games last season.
I don't think anyone would think that just being a third choice striker or impact sub would be good for Rashford's development, it would be awful to see him sitting there being brought on for the last few mins of matches when we need a goal - but it doesn't mean to say that it isn't an important role.
Exactamundo.
I think most people are talking about Pea as a third or fourth choice striking option, and on the assumption that if he came back he would be happy to take that role - in that context I'd love to hear who the naysayers think would be a better option for £13 million?
We don't need a 3rd or 4th choice striking option though, at all. We need genuine quality for the starting eleven. Simple as that.
Regardless of whether Chicharito's good enough or not, Mourinho does not sign strikers who are under 1.8m.
It's not really as simple as that. If we assume that Morata will take Zlatan's place in the team then we are exactly back where we were last season with only Rashford and Martial as alternative striking options (I think we can probably all mostly agree that Rooney isn't going to contribute much whether he stays or goes).
And many times last season that bit us on the arse.
Can you imagine if West Ham get Hernandez and Giroud. What a strike force those two could be together in a 442.
He is ineffective playing against deep defenses. He needs space behind the defense to run into.
I really rated him when he was here, was sad to see him go but at the time his game time was virtually non-existent and his confidence was shot to pieces by lvg.
He's had his time at utd, he was a fan favourite and popped up with a fair amount of goals.
Agree with the majority that we would want a regular starting spot and we could not offer him that. I think to challenge for the title, we need to aim higher than 3rd/4th choice striker options in this window, we need to sign a 1st choice striker before squad players.
If he came here and sat on the bench for 2 or 3 seasons at his age, he'd be kissing his international career goodbye . It's just not a good fit for us or him at this point.
On another point, all the comments pointing that this would be a good signing as he is in his prime at 29, are probably the same people slagging off Perisic, who is also 28/29. Can't have it all
He's had his time at utd, he was a fan favourite and popped up with a fair amount of goals.
Agree with the majority that we would want a regular starting spot and we could not offer him that. I think to challenge for the title, we need to aim higher than 3rd/4th choice striker options in this window, we need to sign a 1st choice striker before squad players.
If he came here and sat on the bench for 2 or 3 seasons at his age, he'd be kissing his international career goodbye . It's just not a good fit for us or him at this point.
On another point, all the comments pointing that this would be a good signing as he is in his prime at 29, are probably the same people slagging off Perisic, who is also 28/29. Can't have it all
His hold up play isn't good enough to be a regular starter as a lone striker, which is probably what he'd want.
I mean, I'd have him back, and didn't want us to sell him, but it'd ideally be in a similar role as before, where he's back up or used in games that are suited to him being able to run in behind and goal poach basically.
Games where you need your striker to be involved in the build up play, he's basically useless in. It was noticeable last season how much our attacks suffered when Zlatan was playing badly, for this reason.
A good manager would turn him into an excellent signing for that price though.
I mean, I'd have him back, and didn't want us to sell him, but it'd ideally be in a similar role as before, where he's back up or used in games that are suited to him being able to run in behind and goal poach basically.
Games where you need your striker to be involved in the build up play, he's basically useless in. It was noticeable last season how much our attacks suffered when Zlatan was playing badly, for this reason.
A good manager would turn him into an excellent signing for that price though.
Let it go he left to be a starter nothing is out there indicating he has changed his mind. Especially in a World Cup season. We need quality in the starting line up, then the depth will be thrre.
The only reason to sign him is so we don't have his thread bumped by the same people saying the same thing over and over every time he scores for West Ham.
The only reason to sign him is so we don't have his thread bumped by the same people saying the same thing over and over every time he scores for West Ham.
He wouldn't be first choice and why would come back just to sit on the bench when he wasn't happy sitting on our bench previously?
Yeah people forget how bad he was in that final year here, had no confidence and couldn't buy a goal. Prob a lot to do with Van Gaal, but still. The guy needs regular football i think to thrive, and he won't get that here.
...because he's not very good.
Not convinced they have the midfield capable of creating the chances they would thrive on
The better question would be, why we are not in for Lacazette when he is available for under 50m..
Because Mourinho wants Morata and not Lacazette, obviously. I also doubt Mourinho is as obsessed with penny pinching and accounting as many on here seem to be.
This is meant to be easy?
Well I'm thankful that you are not the manager.
Defoe and Hernandez
Yeah let's stock up on average players.
Harsh calling them average. Defoe is a consistent goal scorer wherever he goes usually in diabolical teams too.
Defoe could easily hit 15+goals if he was at United, Arsenal, Chelsea etc
Morata has a much higher ceiling than Lacazette, no idea why anyone would prefer the latter. Because people are desperate this summer they're talking him up more, but in previous years many scoffed at the suggestion we could go for Lacazette.
Why is Leverkusen selling him anyway? Isn't Chica doing very well there? I can't see him coming back to us unfortunately as he is approaching the twilight of his career and he needs regular game time esp when next year is the World Cup. I remember he was dropped from Mexico NT when he was out of favour with LVG. Shame really, I really like him and its always nice to bring back a player who is part of our club's most successful era.
Which final year? He basically never played under Van Gaal - was loaned to Real Madrid in LVGs first season and then sold to Leverkusen in his second.
In the final year that he actually played for us - which was Moyes' dreadful year - he scored 9 in 35 appearances. Not brilliant, but not bad for a third choice striker.
Ah yeah you're right, i was thinking of under Moyes. He was a shadow of the player he was a couple of years before though, and that of when he finally went and got regular football again! Some players just need that regular first team action i think.
Love the guy, but not for us imo.
Well I'm thankful that you are not the manager.
Defoe and Hernandez
Yeah let's stock up on average players.
Oh OK well let's start the season with 1 (if we actually get Morata!) senior striker then.
We have some pretty deluded fans who think that every player ever to represent Utd was at the pinnacle of sporting achievement. That is just rose-tinted glasses. I would love us to sign 3 world class strikers this summer but it isn't going to happen I am afraid. Lets see if we regret this kind of dismissive attitude when we have 10 games in 30 days over Christmas
No.
He woudnt come back to warm a cold mancunian bench
Some people's dream summer on here would have been signing Ravel Morrison, Michael Keane, Welbeck and Hernandez. Sentiment at it's absolute finest.
He is a poacher. Handy to bring in late in a game when you are desperate for a goal. But very poor build up play.
Since Ed took over our transfers they have been disastrous and protracted very very slowly!
It's useless to buy just one big name and spend lots a money on that same one.
Now that we got to the CL we actually need 4 very good players or we cannot progress further or go for the PL.
It's useless to buy just one big name and spend lots a money on that same one.
Now that we got to the CL we actually need 4 very good players or we cannot progress further or go for the PL.
Ed has been disastrous now? Love to see how you were talking after his signings last summer, have a feeling your tune would be much different.
Height, and Morata being Mourinho's most notable player he gave a debut to is my guess. I know some say we need two strikers but can't see us signing two that would want to be starters.
Morata is just a year younger and if we are to go by their conversion of talent to performances on the pitch, Lacazette trumps him so far with almost 100 goals in the last 4 years.
Then John Terry on a free. Fletcher and O'Shea would be bargains too. Alright, they aren't world beaters but they can do a job. What happens if Pogba falls off a cliff, what then?
He's been a starter in a much worse league playing for a team where he had no real competition, hardly a surprise is it? Scoring for fun in the French league is the new scoring for fun in the Dutch league, it doesn't mean a whole lot.
Historically speaking, players from the french league tat are consistently top performers adapt very well to the premier league. I think Morata is a good enough player for us to be going after but with Lacazette conceivably being available - i just think he would be a better option and is ready to make the step up to a top team.
I think Morata just offers a lot more, if all we wanted was a finisher than Lacaztte would do the job, but with Morata we get a finisher and more.
Love to hear your opinion about our wonderful transfer dealings this year.
Lindelof will keep you happy?
My god, no one (should be) saying it's Chicharito or Morata. The thing is Morata alone might not be enough, and we should probably also buy an older poacher to see of games, if needed.
It's July 4th, why would I be finding mars bars in my underwear this early in the window? It's utter madness.