Why are we not in for Hernandez ?
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Because he's not that good, has a very good first season for a club and then it all goes to pot. There's a reason his release clause is low and only West Ham want him...
United are currently after Morientes 2.0 and probably couple more of world class attackers. When the window will come to an end people will see why but nevertheless Hernandez would always be welcomed at OT like a hero.
We won't sign him because he wants first team football and we'd only have him as a squad option. I rate him as a player but he's not the full package that we like modern strikers to be. His hold up play isn't all that and i recall he used to get caught offside quite a bit. There were defintely games last season where we would have won 3 points with a man of his talents available, but he doesn't want to be second fiddle.
John Terry and John O'Shea couldn't do a job though could they! We know Hernandez is good for 10-15 league goals a season based on his record with us and his time at Leverkusen and we know Defoe has average similar numbers at the worst team in the PL over the last few years
These are above average players available at a very reasonable price in a position where we are becoming increasingly desperate
Let's assume we do make 4 major signings - we are still going to be well short of forwards and without spending another £100m I don't see how we plug that gap - especially since we will likely play a lone centre forward.
Oh but of course I forgot we are signing Griezmann, Ronaldo and Belotti so silly me! We don't need CFs after all!
Annoyed me by sulking at the end of his time here.
at £13m, he is well worth signing again. 10-12 goals could make a huge difference: it would have done last season
Do people here have memory issues or are simple being ungrateful cnuts?
He was a massive contribution for United winning the league 2 times under SAF, his second season was average because of an early injury plus Welbeck getting into the scene and post SAF everyone was shit. Still, don't think he should be back to United unless he is happy with sharing the starting spot with Rashford and Morata.
He was a massive contribution for United winning the league 2 times under SAF, his second season was average because of an early injury plus Welbeck getting into the scene and post SAF everyone was shit. Still, don't think he should be back to United unless he is happy with sharing the starting spot with Rashford and Morata.
i never noticed that -- and if he did, he had good reason: LVG fecked it up again
He scored 11 goals last year for a midtable team and couldn't even pin down a starting berth. They are getting rid and you want to sign their reject? Yeah Defoe, who, despite being a free agent couldn't find a better team that Bournemouth. Maybe, just maybe, there's a reason for that.
You start filling your team with midtable players and guess what? You start to play like a midtable team. We are manchester united, we shouldn't be in the market for an 'above average' player because they are reasonably priced.
But you don't believe there's a level between Ronaldo and Defoe so it's all beginning to make sense now.
but you also cannot have 11 Zlatan's up front!
Sharing the starting position?! Can't hold down a place at Leverkusen yet you want him here in the starting XI. And you are questioning other posters mental capacity...
I don't see your point.
I thought about this idea while watching the confeds cup. Chicharito still has some skills and finishing ability but tbh he would only have a bit role if he came back here. He was great for 2 seasons here then started to fall off after. I seem to remember him being constantly offside because he was unaware of his positioning, drove me mad!
some back-up players aren't all Cristiano Ronaldo
Who said they were? That's quite literally my point. I even said in the post you quoted there is a level between Defoe and Ronaldo did I not?
Course there is a level but what does that level cost you now? Lukaku £100m? Belotti £87m? Lacazette £50m?
So my point is - assuming we sign Morata he will be first choice. What are our back-up options if Morata breaks his leg in his first training session? 19yo Marcus Rashford (10 in 43 games) or Wayne Rooney (lol!) Surely you see my argument? Defoe on a free would provide solid back up next season whilst Rashford develops and we scan the market for more young talented long term options
People on here don't even think Morata, Lukaku or James is good enough. Never mind trying Hernandez 
You genuinely can't see a middle ground there can you? It's got to be either Defoe or Belotti has it.
Is it a certain age group that still holds a candle for Hernandez? His supporters are almost RAWK levels of deluded.
Yeah the obsession with Hernandez has always been weird to me. Had a pretty good first season for us but after that...
Some people are wearing rose-tinted glasses regarding his time at United. He simply wasn't very good and that's why we sold him.
I actually think Morata, Rashford, Hernandez and Martial would be a solid and versatile attack for United. Morata starting most games obviously, but I don't see him banging a huge a mount of goals, same with Rashford, so Hernandez being an option when goals aren't showing up shouldn't be frowned upon.
People really need to remember how many crucial goals Hernandez scored. Those key goals are the ones that United lacked last season and would've definitely put United on the 1st or 2nd spot of the PL. Maybe my phrasing was incorrect but he should be back if he's willing to play the same part he did previously at United, mostly as a sub, but with a fair amount of starts, speacially in the cups.
He's scored more than 20 goals in a season just once outside of Europe. This seems to be a point repeatedly ignored. We wouldn't be having a goal machine on the bench. We would have a player who managed just 11 goals last season for a midtable side in Germany who haven't even deemed him good enough. He isn't the player you seem to remember him as and if we have any serious aspirations of competing for the league, not to mention the champions league, then signing cast offs from midtable sides shouldn't be in the table. Could you genuinely see our competitors making this kind of signing?
Never understood the Hernandez hype. Above average goal scorer, average at everything else.
Fine as maybe the 3rd pick for a world class team, which if Im right United is aiming to be
Fine as maybe the 3rd pick for a world class team, which if Im right United is aiming to be
You'd honestly think he was the Mexican Brazilian Ronaldo the way people talk about him, as if he'd be a success without a doubt and just be banging in goals for fun. What world does this Hernandez exist, as it isn't this one.
It's not 10-12 extra goals though is it?
He'd be worth buying as backup to Rashford, who should be second string to Ruunaldinhi when we buy him. I don't reckon he'd be happy with that.
He was great in his first season with us, but after that it just didn't seem to work out for him so well.
Er, I don't think anyone is saying that really are they?
We have rashford as an impact sub or martial which ever isn't being played
We under no circumstances need more squaddies we need first 11 players
Exactly the same as last year then, only with a fair chance that Morata won't score as many as Zlatan did. That didn't pan out brilliantly in terms of scoring goals did it?
I dont think Mourinho intends to use Rashford as an impact sub and Martial has never really seemed suited for that role. There are very few players currently in the squad that you could throw on for the last 20 mins and be confident of them poaching a goal, Rashford included.
Really we have 2 strikers to replace in Zlatan and Rooney, but we don't really want to push Rashford or Martial further down the pecking order - therefore it could be argued that a fourth striker is exactly what we need, rather than an additional first 11 striker as well as Morata.
We have one striker. One striker that's a) 19, b) isn't the type our manager usually uses, and c) has shown very little impact as a sub (especially in the striker role).
Why do people insist on talking the starkest nonsense despite this fact is beyond me, particularly in light of the fact that their dear leader has highlighted this very fact (lacking numbers in attack) as our glaring deficiency last season, and not only that, but mentioned Hernandez specifically as an example of what we need. Everyone seemed to have lapped that up at the time. We are now one striker less since that Mourinho whinge (our top scorer at that), and now everyone is against it. You could not make this up.
It was plain obvious in his final appearances and really shouldn't be tolerated under any circumstances.
That sums it up perfectly. He is downgraded ( much downgraded) version of inzaghi.
He has nose for goal, that is true. Everything less is barely average. Excellent option to have for last 20 mins at OT against weaker teams that park the bus. And chicha don't want to be that. 3rd choice, part time striker.
Presumptuous mind reading.
Not at all. As i remember he wanted more playing time
Which is not to say he still does. And this 'more' you are referring to is in the context of more than none at all.
Posts like these are why such threads go long and long.
Firstly, he didn't have a good second season. Then, I read he also seemed to have some attitude as well. Can't remember what, or who he was upset with at Leverkusen.
Me too...
I was quite disappointed as he was one of my favourite players. However, it seems he does have a 'sulky' side to his personality (from what I read some time back) which only came out after SAF left.