Who could be the new first goalkeeper if de Gea leaves (hopefully he stays)?

Gopher Brown said:
The qualities needed to be a gk at a top club and very different from a lower club. People suggesting Pickford or Butland are looking at shot stopping, and they are making loads of saves every match because they're facing loads of shots.

Someone like De Gea might have to face one shot per game and he needs to pull off a brilliant save, or we lose/draw. The amount of concentration needed to do that means we have to go for someone already at a big club, such as Oblak or Handanovic or someone.

I'd suggest not Donnarumma - he's too young and inexperienced. A few mistakes and that might be him done. We don't need a young keeper. VDS was 34 when he joined us, and still stayed for 6 seasons. Someone like him available now would be perfect.
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Buffon was 18 when he became first choice at Parma (a big club back then and playing CL when only 2 serie A teams could qualify). In 2001 Juventus paid €53m/£33m for a 23yr old buffon which remains the most expensive GK ever (and more than United paid for Rio a year later). He became one of the greatest GK ever and was runner up in Ballon d'Or. In hindsight, it was good business but Juventus probably wished they bought him earlier.

Casillas was 19 when he became first choice at Madrid and starred in a CL final. He was never available from Madrid until his twilight.

Courtois was 19 when he became first choice at Atletico Madrid, and if he had not been on loan from Chelsea, would have probably cost an arm to get him from Atletico.

DE Gea was first choice at Athletico at 19 and cost United £18m (PL record) at 21.

Bottom line, if the player shows enough promise, you take the gamble, else you rue the missed opportunity later.

AP88 said:
He's been decent, wouldn't be a terrible short-term option.

I'd make him the default number one, and also sign one of Butland or Pickford to contest the number one spot with him; two fantastic young English keepers who's YouTube highlights reels in the past 2 seasons can stand up against any of the foreign fanboy favourites.

Donnarumma is just a novelty freak because he's huge for his age. If he was 23 and the same keeper people wouldn't be hard for him.
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Have you actually watched the kid? Yes he has a big stature, but there is more to being a great GK besides being tall. There are lot of tall Italian keepers that would never be described as potentially the next buffon.
 
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cheeky_backheel said:
Have you actually watched the kid? Yes he has a big stature, but there is more to being a great GK besides being tall. There are lot of tall Italian keepers that would never be described as potentially the next buffon.
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That line about "foreign fanboy favourites" should tell you all you need to know about the line of thinking they're on
 
cheeky_backheel said:
Bottom line, if the player shows enough promise, you take the gamble, else you rue the missed opportunity later.
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He is 18 right now, with no knowledge of english and he has a lot to develop with his catching and parrying skills. Also with the technique and stop stopping . He can conceed many goals on rebounds and in other ways . Right now we want to compete from the epl title and cl title next or next year to it and he would take a little more time like 2-3 years to be developed .

Watched the milan derby and he conceeded goals which he should have saved .

Also considering the price of the deal he will cost the same or little less than Someone like oblak who is also very young, with a need to develop in a new foriegn country, with new coaches we hired from atletico madrid.

De gea developed well but there was very less pressure in terms of playing in the cl or competing in big matches in the cl at the young age.

Oblak at this moment is a better option if gettable who is on similar level to de gea and still improving.
 
prtk0811 said:
He is 18 right now, with no knowledge of english and he has a lot to develop with his catching and parrying skills. Also with the technique and stop stopping . He can conceed many goals on rebounds and in other ways . Right now we want to compete from the epl title and cl title next or next year to it and he would take a little more time like 2-3 years to be developed .

Watched the milan derby and he conceeded goals which he should have saved .

Also considering the price of the deal he will cost the same or little less than Someone like oblak who is also very young, with a need to develop in a new foriegn country, with new coaches we hired from atletico madrid.

De gea developed well but there was very less pressure in terms of playing in the cl or competing in big matches in the cl at the young age.

Oblak at this moment is a better option if gettable who is on similar level to de gea and still improving.
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Your valuation of a GKs contributions to a successful campaign are exaggerated to say the least. Madrid are in contention for la liga, won the the last CL and are in the CL semis with a shaky goal keeper like Navas. Romero has been in goal for several matches and I cant remember him costing us one.

The kid is only 18, so it is obvious that he would have areas he needs to improve on and there are so many other areas beyond shot stopping that is used in evaluating a GK e.g. claiming crosses in traffic, distribution, leg work, concentration etc. Some of those can be improved with training and experience, while other require more innate talent which the kid has. No one is saying he is the finished article but even the best GKs concede cheap goals and some never clear up their weaknesses. Data suggests that Gks start to peak around 25yrs while most will peak at 29. Oblak and De Gea are nearing their peak, and yet that we can be discussing them vs an 18yr old shows the amount of potential the kid has.

Here is a scouting report on the kid from last year http://outsideoftheboot.com/2016/07/19/scout-report-dianluigi-donnarumma-ac-milan/ and here is a ranking of young Gks with a 17yr old Donnarumma 5th behind four 22-23yr GKs http://outsideoftheboot.com/2016/03...eeper-rankings-jack-butland-stays-at-the-top/

Oblak is 6yrs older so it is no surprise that his game is more developed, but at the same price point, Donnarumma should be the choice imo and doubt Oblak would come cheaper.
 
cheeky_backheel said:
Your valuation of a GKs contributions to a successful campaign are exaggerated to say the least. Madrid are in contention for la liga, won the the last CL and are in the CL semis with a shaky goal keeper like Navas.
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Navas is not a shaky goal keeper , just a scape goat of madrid propoganda as they want new galactico in their even before navas got the spot. Also real madrid have got a better attack to score more goals than they conceed. Secondly David made some errors in his first season as united , which directly or even indirectly contributed to us loosing the title on goal difference on the last day of the season, fergie's last game was a 5-5 draw where he could ave done better and even in moyes time he made some errors leading to cup exits, liverpool had to drop their new keeper as he cost them some points and the save with bravo.

United is not ready yet and not in a position to develop a new young keeper with absorbing his possible mistakes specially after the last 4 seasons with epl being so competitve.
 
Claudio Bravo could become available at a knock down price ! He's great on the ball and provided the opposition doesn't shoot on target he's unlikely to concede ! ;)
Seriously,I think its got to be Oblak.Current EPL keepers,Schmeicel,Butland and Pickford could be a rerun of the Bosnich scenario.....maybe,Forster,but not in the same class as Dave.
 
prtk0811 said:
Navas is not a shaky goal keeper , just a scape goat of madrid propoganda as they want new galactico in their even before navas got the spot. Also real madrid have got a better attack to score more goals than they conceed. Secondly David made some errors in his first season as united , which directly or even indirectly contributed to us loosing the title on goal difference on the last day of the season, fergie's last game was a 5-5 draw where he could ave done better and even in moyes time he made some errors leading to cup exits, liverpool had to drop their new keeper as he cost them some points and the save with bravo.

United is not ready yet and not in a position to develop a new young keeper with absorbing his possible mistakes specially after the last 4 seasons with epl being so competitve.
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Firstly, DDG did not play against West Brom in SAFs last match, so I dont know what miracle save you expected him to make from where he was sitting. Even if he made some mistakes, it happens even to the best of them and De Gea has been one of (if not) the best GKs in the league since he joined united. The occasional error should not be an excuse to not sign one of the most promising GKs of his generation.

BTW Below are some shaky propaganda material




 
Brightonian said:
Donnarumma's the only replacement who'd even slightly ease the pain. Anyone else would be like replacing Cristiano Ronaldo with Antonio Valencia.
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I've just watched a few youtube videos and he has awful awful hands. Spills so much and can't seem to catch a ball. I get that he is young but Romero is levels above this guy.
 
I keep seeing us linked to Oblak but I find it highly unlikely we're going to buy Griezmann AND Oblak from AM.
 
klayton88 said:
I've just watched a few youtube videos and he has awful awful hands. Spills so much and can't seem to catch a ball. I get that he is young but Romero is levels above this guy.
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He's not the finished article but he's still considered one of the best goalkeepers in Serie A currently
 
Hey guys remember during De Gea's debut season where opposition fans said we should have gone for someone more experienced like Maarten Stekelenburg? And I promise you this was a thing that actually happened I am not making this up. We have to go with the best GK regardless of age. I personally think Gianluigi Donnarumma and Alban Lafont would be our best options. Great GKs usually show it a young age.
 
Tom Heaton would be my choice. For those saying Navas, he isn't even the best keeper at Madrid now.
 
Keeps It tidy said:
Hey guys remember during De Gea's debut season where opposition fans said we should have gone for someone more experienced like Maarten Stekelenburg? And I promise you this was a thing that actually happened I am not making this up. We have to go with the best GK regardless of age. I personally think Gianluigi Donnarumma and Alban Lafont would be our best options. Great GKs usually show it a young age.
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You should have seen Dutch forums or Dutch football shows. They couldnt believe Fergie signed DDG instead of Stekelenburg. De Gea made some mistakes in the beginning but also made some crazy saves but they kept talking about those mistakes and kept saying Fergie should have signed Stekelenburg since he was van der Sar his natural replacement.

They actually kept saying stuff like that while Stekelenburg wasnt even playing for Roma and de Gea was doing alright. When it was impossible to deny that de Gea was world class the "United should have signed Stekelenburg" finally stopped.

If DDG needs to be replaced (i hope not) Donnarumma would be my first pick. He is so tall, atletic, really ypung but hardly makes a mistake. Donnarumma is going to be the best GK in the world during a certain point of his carreer. Im 99% sure of that.
 
cheeky_backheel said:
Buffon was 18 when he became first choice at Parma (a big club back then and playing CL when only 2 serie A teams could qualify). In 2001 Juventus paid €53m/£33m for a 23yr old buffon which remains the most expensive GK ever (and more than United paid for Rio a year later). He became one of the greatest GK ever and the only GK to win Ballon d'Or. In hindsight, it was good business but Juventus probably wished they bought him earlier.

Casillas was 19 when he became first choice at Madrid and starred in a CL final. He was never available from Madrid until his twilight.

Courtois was 19 when he became first choice at Atletico Madrid, and if he had not been on loan from Chelsea, would have probably cost an arm to get him from Atletico.

DE Gea was first choice at Athletico at 19 and cost United £18m (PL record) at 21.

Bottom line, if the player shows enough promise, you take the gamble, else you rue the missed opportunity later.


Have you actually watched the kid? Yes he has a big stature, but there is more to being a great GK besides being tall. There are lot of tall Italian keepers that would never be described as potentially the next buffon.
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Great post. Also 22 year old Cech kept a PL record 21 clean sheets and only conceded 15 goals in his debut season in the PL.
 
If he's hell bent on leaving I would do my best to do a Ronaldo deal and ask him to give us one more season. We don't have an unlimited budget. We're close to where we need to be but need one more big summer. Griezmann's and Oblak's release clause combined is 200 million euros which leaves us with little to work with for other needs. If he can wait one more year, it would help us to no end in so many ways.

If he goes this summer we have to buy quality. I see names like Schmeichel and Butland, but that's a terrible idea. Tim Howard was a solid a premier league keeper, but he wasn't good enough for us and calls to replace him for someone better were common place amongst United fans.
 
I hope we don't go after Schmeichel, he's very quick to blame others and lets in a lot of easy goals.
 
The way Jose has us playing our GK has not had much to do. So if we got £70m or swap deal of sorts for him for someone like Kroos, Varane or Bale I think we'd be actually better off performance wise. Or if we spent that £70m wisely and bought say a top midfielder we'd have a better team. Hope DDG stays but if not give Romero a chance for a season I am not as concerned as I once was before.
 
Acole9 said:
I hope we don't go after Schmeichel, he's very quick to blame others and lets in a lot of easy goals.
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Learned it from his dad - I remember Peter scoring an amazing own-goal for Denmark (patted the ball down from a cross, bent down to pick it up and knocked it between his own legs), and immediately yelling at his defence as if they were somehow responsible for his cock-up.

On the one hand, Kasper isn't remotely as good as DeGea, on the other it'd be great to have a Schmeichel in goal again...
 
Got to admit i was dreading the thought of Romero being our number 1 when it looked like De Gea would leave for Madrid but hand up hes been fantastic most of the time he been called upon, if De Gea does go which looks more likely then him staying judging by the reports. would still expect us to sign a new keeper and unless we get Oblak or Neuer then it will be a step down, dont think there is much between the likes of Butland, Schmeichel, Heaton or Pickford would all prob settle in a bit easier then signing some of the german or italian young boys.
 
Why would Oblak leave Atletico? even if he want to then why would Atletico sell their first choice goal keeper to United after they have sold their first choice Gk to their rivals Madrid?
 
Joe Hart linked today. Would be a massive downgrade on De Gea. Hes also a bit of a dick.
 
Donnaruma is highly rated only for his age, If he would have been 25 yo would be considered an average one.
 
Give me reasons why it couldn't be Tom Heaton.. Again today against Palace he did everything right..
 
I think we should go for Oblak. I was watching that Lafont yesterday and he looks a prospect, although he made an error after I switched off.
 
Oblak would be the obvious go to guy but I just can't see us pulling him unless we go mental with the fees.

Casteels seems to be finally fulfilling him potential since he's returned to the team at Wolfsburg. Always had immense potential, will be interesting to see if its a short term purple patch or he's going to keep this up and get better.
 
De Gea is nowhere near a big a loss as most of you are making out.

If he goes (and he will this summer, I think) then without doubt the best keeper we could sign would be Hugo Loris. Ticks every box we need, specifically PL experience. He's a better overall keeper than De Gea (not as good a shot-stopper but outclasses De Gea in every other department) - but it would be more than difficult to prise him away.
 
TheBiggest said:
De Gea is nowhere near a big a loss as most of you are making out.

If he goes (and he will this summer, I think) then without doubt the best keeper we could sign would be Hugo Loris. Ticks every box we need, specifically PL experience. He's a better overall keeper than De Gea (not as good a shot-stopper but outclasses De Gea in every other department) - but it would be more than difficult to prise him away.
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Lloris is in no way a better keeper than De Gea. While he is a good keeper, his deficiencies are covered by Spurs' brilliant defence. Just look at him against City at the Ethiad this season for a recent example of Lloris fecking up.
 
Donovan_red7 said:
That line about "foreign fanboy favourites" should tell you all you need to know about the line of thinking they're on
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The same line of thinking that United had when winning league titles and contesting the elite in the latter rounds of the European Cup every year, that one.

The same line of thinking that has made Spurs an infinitely better team than both Manchester clubs with a fraction of the budget.
 
I would go for stoke's jack butland. if the papers are right about going for Joe Hart, I might end up in any asylum: he is one of the most overrated keepers of all time and if he isn't good enough for City then he shouldn't be anywhere near United
 
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