Who could be the new first goalkeeper if de Gea leaves (hopefully he stays)?

cheeky_backheel said:
Donnarumma is the one that is more similar to the type of keeper Jose prefers (which he described when he picked lopez over casillas).

When you the opportunity to get a talent like Gigi, any sane manager will take. At 18, he is already one of the top GKs in Serie A. The main problem is that the kid is unlikely to want to leave italy at such a young age, particularly when he has the option of Juve on hand.

Still, I think Donnarumma is more likely than Oblak due to his contract situation. (His contract ends next year and Raiola is asking for ridiculous wages for a renewal while the new owners aren't flushed with cash).

For Oblak, Atletico will likely shaft us and given that his contact ends in 2021, they are in no rush to sell.
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That's the point I'm making. Jose would be gambling on Donnarumma settling in Manchester. It took De Gea the best part of 18 months to acclaimatise - he was homesick, his family were flying back and forth, he wasn't looking after himself and Sir Alex and Eric Steele had to nurture him. Jose doesn't have the inclination to do so, nor does he have the luxury of time. He needs consistency from the outset.

In going for Donnarumma he's accepting that someone like Romero may be called upon greatly in those first few months.

For Goalkeepers, particularly very young ones, the Premier League is a baptism of fire.

If we make the Champions League, we need someone like Oblak.
 
Didn't Atletico try to send Oblak back to Benfica and void the deal the same summer they bought him? I'm sure I remember them trying to pull out of the deal on some medical ground.
 
TJSF said:
Hope Ederson stay, but the probability is low. He made his debut only a about a year ago. Crazy.

Oblak is a great choice. Story time: He signed him in 2010 but only got a chance in 2013-14, after he demanded to be given a first-team opportunity, he even went missing in the pre-season. Our starter, Artur Moraes was rubbish, as average as they come. One game, Artur got injured, so Jorge Jesus, (actually used Oblak as left back in a training session once) had no choice to give him a chance. He killed it and turned the season around. But watch-out for penalties, it's not his thing.
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Ederson's been strongly linked with City, hasn't he? I saw one Benfica game recently where he didn't exactly cover himself in glory, but by all accounts, he's had a great season.
 
Give it to Johnstone.
After all, that's what being a United supporter is all about it seems.
 
Jacko21 said:
That's the point I'm making. Jose would be gambling on Donnarumma settling in Manchester. It took De Gea the best part of 18 months to acclaimatise - he was homesick, his family were flying back and forth, he wasn't looking after himself and Sir Alex and Eric Steele had to nurture him. Jose doesn't have the inclination to do so, nor does he have the luxury of time. He needs consistency from the outset.

In going for Donnarumma he's accepting that someone like Romero may be called upon greatly in those first few months.

For Goalkeepers, particularly very young ones, the Premier League is a baptism of fire.

If we make the Champions League, we need someone like Oblak.
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But like was done with DDG, if the kid is available you simply take the gamble and he is more talented than DDG was.

Even if he doesnt settle in for 2-3yrs and/or you have to send him back on loan to serie A, you first buy him and then deal with the issues as they come. Its like having the opportunity to sign a player like Messi even though he was diminutive and injury prone, you take the chance and deal with rest later.

The interesting thing is playing for Juventus and the poor reception he would likely receive whenever visiting the San Siro, should make overseas the preferred destination.
 
jderbyshire said:
I honestly think Jose might give Romero a chance. If he isn't good enough in his first season as no.1, we'll go for someone else.
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But this might result in another wasted season, as a result of taking a gamble on Romero. Jose isn't the type to take that kind of chance, especially given he'll have under-achieved this season by his standards.

He'll be aiming to go all-out for the lot next season and will want the proper personnel in place to do so.
 
cheeky_backheel said:
Donnarumma is the one that is more similar to the type of keeper Jose prefers (which he described when he picked lopez over casillas).

When you the opportunity to get a talent like Gigi, any sane manager will take. At 18, he is already one of the top GKs in Serie A. The main problem is that the kid is unlikely to want to leave italy at such a young age, particularly when he has the option of Juve on hand.

Still, I think Donnarumma is more likely than Oblak due to his contract situation. (His contract ends next year and Raiola is asking for ridiculous wages for a renewal while the new owners aren't flushed with cash).

For Oblak, Atletico will likely shaft us and given that his contact ends in 2021, they are in no rush to sell.
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Don't think Donnarumma will leave Milan for Juventus, especially now that Milan's financial issues are cleared up. He'll either stay there or leave abroad. I think that he'll give Milan at least 2 seasons and if CL qualification is still far, then he'll leave.
 
Handanovic? I think he has the size, experience and ability to command our backline.
 
cheeky_backheel said:
But like was done with DDG, if the kid is available you simply take the gamble and he is more talented than DDG was.

Even if he doesnt settle in for 2-3yrs and/or you have to send him back on loan to serie A, you first buy him and then deal with the issues as they come. Its like having the opportunity to sign a player like Messi even though he was diminutive and injury prone, you take the chance and deal with rest later.

The interesting thing is playing for Juventus and the poor reception he would likely receive whenever visiting the San Siro, should make overseas the preferred destination.
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I simply don't believe Jose would take such a gamble on a position as important as the goalkeeper.

Oblak is a terrific goalkeeper and only 24. If he comes in and Jose achieves what he hopes to at United - domestic and European success, the club isn't going to rue not signing Donnarumma.

Drągowski has huge potential. Lafont has huge potential. Arrizabalaga has huge potential. Donnarumma is exceptional, but not unique.

In choosing Donnarumma over Oblak, you'd be doing so in the hope of keeping him for 12+ years instead of 8+ years - as would be the case with Oblak. That's it.

But with Oblak, you're reducing the likelihood of your new No.1 goalkeeper being unsettled and unprepared. Theoretically speaking of course.
 
I'm not sure that this will be my first choice, but i'm confident Jose&MU will go for Oblak from Atletico M. Well all in all he is a decent replacement, not a Navas or god forbid that blonde dutch guy from Ajax, Cili-something. So we really dodged a bullet on those ones, thanks god for fax machines. And to think i called them useless piece of garbage...:D
 
Vilev said:
I'm not sure that this will be my first choice, but i'm confident Jose&MU will go for Oblak from Atletico M. Well all in all he is a decent replacement, not a Navas or god forbid that blonde dutch guy from Ajax, Cili-something. So we really dodged a bullet on those ones, thanks god for fax machines. And to think i called them useless piece of garbage...:D
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Cillesen? He is a Barcelona player.
 
Dong Fangzhuo said:
Ederson's been strongly linked with City, hasn't he? I saw one Benfica game recently where he didn't exactly cover himself in glory, but by all accounts, he's had a great season.
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Must have been the Derby last week. He fecked up there. Apparently, Guardiola likes him, but who knows. Too soon for the muppetry to start. Give it another six weeks.
 
Rake said:
Cillesen? He is in Barcelona now.
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Yeah i know, he is not playing much though. Barca used to have this CL/League switching stuff last year, but this time they saw Cillesen in training themselves and probably decided that it's not a good idea anymore.:lol:
 
RedMaestro said:
Don't think Donnarumma will leave Milan for Juventus, especially now that Milan's financial issues are cleared up. He'll either stay there or leave abroad. I think that he'll give Milan at least 2 seasons and if CL qualification is still far, then he'll leave.
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Milan financial issues are far from cleared up. The Chinese acquisition was done via a debt that needs to be repaid or refinanced by Octber 2018. The club is bleeding abut 80m euros every year and the squad needs massive overhaul to be competitive. If they get into europe (battling with Inter and Florentina for 6th), the FFP would further handicap them.

With all this, Raiola is demanding wages of 5m euros per year for Donnarumma which is much higher than the current top earner Bacca on 3.5m. He is reported to have been offered 3.2m which he has declined. On top, Raiola says his clients needs to be playing in Europe and thus the new owners have to show their ambition. If Donnarumma is on 5m, then incoming transfers will likely demand higher wages as well.

Given that the kid is the most valuable asset, it makes financial sense for them to sell him to raise cash and reduce the wage bill at the same time, making it easier to conduct the rebuild process. They can do this while making Raiola the scapegoat.

The attraction of Juventus hinges on his relationship with Buffon (who has been rumored to be buttering him up to succeed him at both cub and country) and the lure of CL plus trophies. Juventus have expressed their willingness to pay the wages Raiola has in mind.

Raiola does have a few clients with us (Pogba, Ibra, Mkhi and Romero) so hopefully that gives us an advantage.
 
Keeper is definitely the hardest position to get right.

Can't see Donnarumma moving since the AC takeover and Oblak would be very tough to get with the transfer ban. The pool of keepers to pick from us quite low.
I've no idea how good this guy is, and I'm only mentioning more out of curiosity, but Predrag Rajković has been massively rated on FM the last few years, so is the guy actually any good?
 
Also, whats the deal with that Rulli.
Is he a City player or Sociedad player or City player or Sociedad player etc?

The clarity on that thing is mind blowing :lol:
 
Rake said:
Anyone closely following the Bundesliga? What do you guys think about Leno?

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I can never get that game at Old Trafford out of my head with him, he literally couldn't a cold that night.

Oblak would be the obvious choice, he's a fantastic goalkeeper and he's also pretty much the finished article.
 
I can't see us paying Oblak's release clause. It's too much. I think £50m would be good value, but Atletico have no reason to sell. Especially if we buy Griezmann.
 
ovoxo said:
I can't see us paying Oblak's release clause. It's too much. I think £50m would be good value, but Atletico have no reason to sell. Especially if we buy Griezmann.
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If we offer 50 million for Oblak, Atletico would sell.
 
ovoxo said:
Surely they won't sell two key players in a single window though.
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They'd sell Oblak for 50 million and buy someone lesser known for about 10 million.

That's how they do business, it works pretty much every time as well.
 
The qualities needed to be a gk at a top club and very different from a lower club. People suggesting Pickford or Butland are looking at shot stopping, and they are making loads of saves every match because they're facing loads of shots.

Someone like De Gea might have to face one shot per game and he needs to pull off a brilliant save, or we lose/draw. The amount of concentration needed to do that means we have to go for someone already at a big club, such as Oblak or Handanovic or someone.

I'd suggest not Donnarumma - he's too young and inexperienced. A few mistakes and that might be him done. We don't need a young keeper. VDS was 34 when he joined us, and still stayed for 6 seasons. Someone like him available now would be perfect.
 
My choice would be Alblack, quite possibly on par with De Gea.
 
Rake said:
Anyone closely following the Bundesliga? What do you guys think about Leno?

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Horn from Cologne is much better IMO. I think he's overrated. German fans with a bit of sense think Fährmann is better as well.
 
whatwha said:
I have faith in Romero :p
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He's been decent, wouldn't be a terrible short-term option.

I'd make him the default number one, and also sign one of Butland or Pickford to contest the number one spot with him; two fantastic young English keepers who's YouTube highlights reels in the past 2 seasons can stand up against any of the foreign fanboy favourites.

Donnarumma is just a novelty freak because he's huge for his age. If he was 23 and the same keeper people wouldn't be hard for him.
 
There are plenty of options. You don't really need a great keeper to have a great team.
 
Pickford, Butland, Forster or some other English joker. Not likely to leave for Spain anytime soon.
 
Donnarumma's the only replacement who'd even slightly ease the pain. Anyone else would be like replacing Cristiano Ronaldo with Antonio Valencia.
 
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