I wouldn't like Navas. I don't think he'd do well in the PL, too physical and he doesn't strike me as a particularly commanding keeper, more of a cat.
Who could be the new first goalkeeper if de Gea leaves (hopefully he stays)?
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With his contract running out in 2018, this seems to be a no-brainer if you ask me.
Maybe get a better 2nd choice than Romero too, as Donnarumma is young and might need some time out of the team occasionally.
Agreed.
Oblak for me. Solid, experienced. Has a good precense about him. Dont think the Italian kid is a realistic target to be fair.
According to MEN, Oblak's agent has flown into Manchester for talks with United.
Rather go for someone like Donnarumma or Pickford and see if they can grow into the role than settle for Navas. How does someone who watches the reserves and academy rate Joel Pereira?
If de Gea goes I would love to get Donnarumma, however, I think that's quite unlikely. Oblak I know nothing about, but if Jose would want him then that's good enough for me.
Oblak for me. Might reduce chances of Griezmann.
That would be great but i highly doubt it.
I think Leno would be a decent keeper for us and won't be too expensive.
Jack Butland
Oblak would be my first choice De Gea replacement. He's been performing at a similar level to De Gea this season. Donnarumma looks like he could be next big thing and is already performing well at Milan, so he'd be my second option.
With Oblak, if we can agree with a fee with Atletico (assuming he wants to come here), there shouldn't be a problem with the Griezmann deal, as we'd likely have to pay out his release clause anyway. I just can't see Atletico willing to sell Oblak though, especially if their transfer ban isn't cut this summer and I can't see any way of us paying Oblak's 100m euro release clause.
They don't have a choice in regards with Griezmann as he has a buyout clause and they won't sell for less.
Oblak would be a quality replacement if DDG decides to leave.
http://www.manchestereveningnews.co...anchester-united-transfer-news-oblak-12946034
So Oblak has a £85m release clause!
Even if we agree transfer fees with Atletico, they'll demand crazy money for him, probably +€50m!
So Oblak has a £85m release clause!
Even if we agree transfer fees with Atletico, they'll demand crazy money for him, probably +€50m!
If we're selling DDG, he'll fund the whole transfer anyway. However much Oblak costs we can turn to Madrid and say we aren't letting you have DDG for less than Oblak. Ball is in Madrid's court to kick off this domino effect.
That's probably not true from MEN.
They do, Spanish buyout clauses work different, club still has to accept it, buyout clauses are obliged in Spain, every player has one.
They would rather lose 1 key player than 2 my reasoning is, if they'd sell Oblak, I cant see them accepting a club paying Griezmann's buy-out clause.
Is this true? Isn't the whole point of a buyout clause that you can meet the demand and then talk to the player?
What's the point of a buyout clause if the club can say no to any club that meets it.
It seems every player we are linked with has an £85m release cause!
Not sure, it's more like a max fee a club can get for a player, I think Athletic Bilbao was also reluctant to let Herrera go for the clause. It's obliged to put in a clause there, it would be unfair for the clubs if that clause has full power.
But that's the point of a release clause. When Griezmann signed a new contract, both the club and himself presumably agreed that if a club paid out his release clause and he wanted to go there, he could leave. If Atletico didn't then they would have just put his release clause as something ridiculous like you get for Madrid and Barca players.
Either way, I don't think the Griezmann deal is the problem as Simeone and co have said that they would have no power in keeping Griezmann, if someone paid out his release clause. The problem would be getting Oblak for less than his release clause (which I can't see us paying).
I think that law was changed in 2016, wasn't it?
It's not a release clause, it's a buyout clause. A subtle difference. With a buy-out clause, Griezmann has to pay it, so United would pay the money to Griezmann for him to pay it to Griezmann, however with paying Griezmann/Atletico, tax comes into play and can increase the fee by 48% maximum, going from 100 m to 148 m for example, thats the problem. If Atletico play hard-ball.
Not sure, dont know actually.
If we're going down that route, ex-United youngster Heaton has also had a great season
Seen an article which says it has, would be good news!
I'm in no position to weigh in on such legal issues. But I think the tax laws and regulations in Spain have changed lately.
I think United ( or Griezmann ), will have to pay only very little in taxes ( definitely not 48% ) in addition to the buyout sum.
http://sportwitness.co.uk/no-tax-pa...lauses-leaving-man-united-free-run-griezmann/
http://www.cityam.com/252013/recent-change-spains-tax-laws-could-make-buying-liga-manchester-united
http://liverpooloffside.sbnation.co...les-buyout-not-taxed-inaki-williams-liverpool
Thats good news, I stand corrected!
I think Butland is up there as far as shot stoppers go with anyone in Europe. Been unlucky with injuries. If he could command his area from crosses etc then he would be right up there so worth a punt
Heaton is a good goalkeeper too to be fair but im a Butland fan boy. Englands number 1 for a long time when he gets himself back in the first team after that injurychoice 1 Donnarumma
choice 2 Oblak
choice 2 Oblak
Oblak.
As good as Donnarumma is going to be (and already is), Mourinho isn't going to go for him - he'll want a proven, European-ready goalkeeper. Not an Italian teenager who would need 12-18 months to settle into Manchester and English football in general - precisely the same issues we faced with De Gea. He's just a kid.
EDIT: I wouldn't be against Donnarumma being brought in as the No.2 in his first season. If De Gea does leave, United have a decision to make about the second-choice goalkeeper - because Romero is unlikely to stay if he's isn't made No.1.
As good as Donnarumma is going to be (and already is), Mourinho isn't going to go for him - he'll want a proven, European-ready goalkeeper. Not an Italian teenager who would need 12-18 months to settle into Manchester and English football in general - precisely the same issues we faced with De Gea. He's just a kid.
EDIT: I wouldn't be against Donnarumma being brought in as the No.2 in his first season. If De Gea does leave, United have a decision to make about the second-choice goalkeeper - because Romero is unlikely to stay if he's isn't made No.1.
Oblak the next best to de gea. Plays on a similar level
I honestly think Jose might give Romero a chance. If he isn't good enough in his first season as no.1, we'll go for someone else.
Donnarumma is the one that is more similar to the type of keeper Jose prefers (which he described when he picked lopez over casillas).
When you the opportunity to get a talent like Gigi, any sane manager will take. At 18, he is already one of the top GKs in Serie A. The main problem is that the kid is unlikely to want to leave italy at such a young age, particularly when he has the option of Juve on hand.
Still, I think Donnarumma is more likely than Oblak due to his contract situation. (His contract ends next year and Raiola is asking for ridiculous wages for a renewal while the new owners aren't flushed with cash).
For Oblak, Atletico will likely shaft us and given that his contact ends in 2021, they are in no rush to sell.
We don't have the luxury of taking that risk.
Hope Ederson stay, but the probability is low. He made his debut only a about a year ago. Crazy.
Oblak is a great choice. Story time: He signed him in 2010 but only got a chance in 2013-14, after he demanded to be given a first-team opportunity, he even went missing in the pre-season. Our starter, Artur Moraes was rubbish, as average as they come. One game, Artur got injured, so Jorge Jesus, (actually used Oblak as left back in a training session once) had no choice to give him a chance. He killed it and turned the season around. But watch-out for penalties, it's not his thing.
Oblak is a great choice. Story time: He signed him in 2010 but only got a chance in 2013-14, after he demanded to be given a first-team opportunity, he even went missing in the pre-season. Our starter, Artur Moraes was rubbish, as average as they come. One game, Artur got injured, so Jorge Jesus, (actually used Oblak as left back in a training session once) had no choice to give him a chance. He killed it and turned the season around. But watch-out for penalties, it's not his thing.
As nice as it has been to have a superhuman GK, it's not necessary to win things. A good, competent GK is all you need if the defence and the rest of your team are good enough. Not sure Romero quite fits the bill though. Schmeichel or Pickford might. Maybe Handanovic too. Wouldn't say no to Oblak though.