I definitely disagree with that.
Who could be the new first goalkeeper if de Gea leaves (hopefully he stays)?
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I personally think Mourinho will be looking for the best top goalkeeper he can possibly get his hands on. For me that's probably Oblak, as we know goalkeepers can win points for teams on their own. Hart has often been accused of lacking concentration at times and although I'm not a fan, I think City made a mistake loaning him out, I think he's better than Bravo. Call me old fashioned but the most important thing about a keeper is that they're a quality shot stopper and not because they're good with playing the ball out with their feet.
One thing against Oblak is his height. Mourinho tends to prefer taller keepers.
Cech from Arsenal, for the good experiences, perfect for our young goalkeepers.Break the bank for Donnarumma, but he's not proven and prolly won't be interested. Romero would cover him a lot.
Oblak would heavily depends on Simeone staying plus expensive. Good ripe age for keeper and proven in top level.
Or who knows
Mourinho may recruit an unknown gem, like Bailly.Oh right, how tall is he?
Oblak - 6 ft 2.
De Gea. 6 ft 4.
I'm not sure that's going to be an issue. He might take a few months to adjust to PL football but any keeper would need time.
Julio Cesar and Cassilas aren't that tall compared to Oblak. So don't worry.
Handanovic would be attainable and your best shot imho, a solid and reliable goalkeeper in his prime.
What the feck is wrong with Romero? He looked more than capable every time he featured.
Not world class
Schmeichel, Pickford and Oblak would all be downgrades on De Gea in terms of sheer size.
If Mourinho is after a big guy, Donnarumma, Rico, Handanovic and Fahrmann are all taller and heavier than De Gea...
I expect Mourinho's criteria will be rather more comprehensive, though.
he was a very good keeper, but he didn't have the flexibility of a De Gea or the ball playing skills some managers desire in a modern keeper. He made the saves he was supposed to make in general. Nothing wrong with that but I think what seperates these very top keepers from types like him, is they make the saves they aren't supposed to make. What Chelsea always had though, was a very good organised back line. That was my point, I feel Jose will perhaps sort that out first. Cech ticked the boxes for him, big strong, commanded his area well. That type of keeper wouldn't sit well with Pep, but then again I'm not sure a Bravo type would sit well with Jose.I personally don't think we will target one of these galactico type keepers. Didn't he have issues with Casillas at Real. Just my opinion.
Cech was probably the best keeper in the PL at his prime and amongst the top 3-5 in the world.
exactly, he was very good in an excellent team, and I've said that. He came from Rennes, no-one really knew too much about him. He came in did his job with no fuss , there was none of the yearly crap we get with De Gea going or staying. He seemed happy to be there and did his job well. Some of the links we have with Oblak etc, these guys are already genuine superstars playing at the very highest level. fwiw I thought even at 36 yrs onwards Van Der Sar was a better keeper
Mourinho benched Casillas in favor of Diego Lopez (which led to the discontent and his eventual exit from Madrid), and wanted an upgrade on Cesar (though he liked Julio ability to kick long) but Moratti would not sanction it cos of budget limits.
Cech was voted the worlds best GK in 2005 (and was runner up 2x). He was a great goalkeeper, and at tha time, one of the worlds best (along with Buffon, Casillas ). He only started declining after his head injury in 2006.
Beyond being good short stopper, Mourinho likes his keepers to be tall, command the pbox and claim crosses, good at organizing the defence, and can throw and kick the ball long.
Beyond being a great short stopper, casillas was poor in the other areas. In addition, Jose prefers an outfield player (not a GK) as captain to help with communication with the ref. He started Diego lopez ahead of Cassilas, a decision I personally agreed with and felt should have been made earlier in the career of lopez, but Madrid squad has always been plagued by politics.
You can't use Jose benched Casillas for one season in favor of Diego Lopez when in his previous 2 seasons he played Casillas regularly. It's like you are trying to say that Jose never like a keeper like Cech because he benched him in favor of Courtois.
I don't remember Mourinho said he didn't want Cesar, he was considered to be one of the best keeper when Mourinho was in charge.
You can go and ask a Madrid fan to confirm. From the moment he took over at Madrid, he wanted an upgrade over Casillas and Benzema, but neither of them was sanctioned. Also in an interview, when he was at Madrid, he described what he desires and feels makes a great goal keeper. The fact that Mourinho plays a particular player does not mean he likes them. For example, judging from his statements, he doesnt seem to like Smallings and Jones with their injury issues, but he has been playing them most likely because he doesnt have a choice. He said they have a future at United, but will likely sell them at first opportunity.
Romero looks the business to me. He' s settled in well and ive yet to see him make a major balls up so why not give him an extended run. One thing I like about him over De Gea is his willingness to deal with corners. De Gea never did get the hang of dealing with high balls and prefers to stay on his line.
Cech broke a clean sheet record in the Czech league as a teenager and the only reason why he did not go directly to the PL after that was because he would not qualify for a work permit. Which lead to him spending a season at Rennes before Chelsea picked him up.
You are clearly just making assumption from an unclear statement. The same thing how you assumed that Jose Mourinho tends to prefer taller keepers.
Donnaruma, Timo Horn or Romero
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and you are obviously clueless on the topic at hand. Example
http://www.marca.com/2013/01/31/en/football/real_madrid/1359621183.html
From the article
The Portuguese coach said he wanted a goalkeeper who met two basic conditions: he had to be tall and have a lot of experience. It was Mourinho himself who suggested Diego López – who was with Sevilla at the time- and the club was quick to reach an agreement with him.
There are several other articles and direct comments online by Jose that clearly indicates his preference for taller keepers. As far as I know, Mourinho has never approved the acquisition of a short keeper
Again how many times do I need to say this. You can't use Jose benched Casillas for one season in favor of Diego Lopez as an evidence of that Jose Mourinho tends to prefer taller keepers. Because in his previous 2 seasons he played Casillas regularly!!
That article was in 2013!! Which is Jose's third season, the only season when Casillas didn't play regularly. That's why they were linked with Lopez and that keeper named Fernandez. But they didn't linked with others for Casillas's replacement during Jose's first two seasons when Casillas was his first choice GK.
You are just making assumption!!
and again you are clueless and seems you lack English comprehension skills as well.
Mourinho not replacing a player doesnt mean he doesnt want to. Mourinho wanted to replace Benzema as well but couldnt cos Perez wouldnt allow it. Jose comment on Benzema:"If I can't hunt with a dog, I will hunt with a cat," he said. "With a dog you hunt more and you hunt better. But if you have not got a dog and you have got a cat, you hunt with a cat." He counldn't replace benzema and was stuck with him for the 3 seasons he was at Madrid. But according to your logic, Mourinho must have loved Benzema since Madrid were not linked to a replacement!
Jose wanted to replace Casillas but the management and fans didnt approve of it (San iker is a club and Spanish legend), and, at the first opportunity that he could (Casillas injured), he did. He not only replaced him but also replaced him with a much taller keeper which was one of his two requirements (which is also why he stopped the move for Fernández who is also similar in height to Casillas). It was the replacement of Casillas that catalyzed his departure from Madrid.
The short Gks Mou has had, have all been inherited, while the ones he has bought are taller e.g. Lopez and Begovic
Other sources:
Jose Mourinho always prefers his goalkeepers being tall and aerially commanding—something that the former Real Madrid captain never was. https://www.sportskeeda.com/footbal...-his-image-and-put-a-black-spot-on-his-legacy
Straightforward footballing considerations did play into Mourinho’s thinking – even if it is hard to know where they intersected with personal sentiment. As a coach, he has always preferred tall goalkeepers, and there was some truth to the suggestion that Lopez, despite being a less impressive shot-stopper, was better at dealing with crosses.https://www.thescore.com/news/841318
and there are many more to be found, but dont let those stop you from being bull headed and continue believing in your own wild imaginations like if they were the gospel truth or words from the Quran
If you can't understand or have an issue about what I just said due to my lacking of English comprehension skills then you should never talk to people again. It's not difficult to use brain and try harder to understand what people said. I believe what I said were clear enough to everyone who read them.
Again, you are just making assumption here. Those articles have no evidence to prove that Jose wanted tall keepers only. You are just making assumption that he wanted tall keepers based on what he had bought e.g. Lopez and Begovic. But the true is he did play Cassilas and Cesar as first choice keepers. Inter had enough money to bought Lucio, Milito, Eto'o, Pandev, wesley sneijder, and etc. I don't see why Inter couldn't afford a replacement for Cesar if Mourinho really wanted one.
If you use your assumption based on article then I can also use my assumption based on article of we are linked with Kasper means he is okay with keeper who is about 185-188cm.
Remember how people said Jose only wanted "Specialist" after his interview and end up with Valencia as his right back first choice.
You are just being obtuse, but I 'll humor you
Here is a direct quote from Mourinho:"I like a keeper who uses his feet well. I like a keeper who goes out in the middle. I like a keeper who dominates the airspace and who is fantastic in goal and makes fantastic stops. I just like a different profile of keeper"
Here is the video of the actual interview
Bottom line Mourinho likes his keepers tall!
Of course you are free to claim that Mourinho was lying about what he likes and that you know him better than himself.
Isn't Mourinho essentially saying he likes keepers who are good at everything? I mean, what attributes did he miss out there? It's like saying you like defenders who are fast, great in the tackle, organises the backline, are great in the air and score 15 goals a season.
But it becomes relevant when someone stubbornly argues (using your example) that Mourinho does not like a faster defender more than one who is slow.Isn't Mourinho essentially saying he likes keepers who are good at everything? I mean, what attributes did he miss out there? It's like saying you like defenders who are fast, great in the tackle, organises the backline, are great in the air and score 15 goals a season.
In that interview, he simply describes why he prefers Lopez to Cassilas, even though he admits Casillas was the better short stopper, i.e. those other factors are very important to him. He even admitted that some may feel Iker was the better keeper and that was fine as well, but not to him. The last phrase makes it quite clear - "I just like a different profile of keeper"
It has been well documented that he likes his keepers to be tall and commanding in the area (in fact he has stated he needs at least 5 tall people in his team to defend set pieces) and I just find it amusing when someone wants to convince themselves otherwise simply cos of some rumored player links.
Again let me ask you again what year is that? 2013. The year when Casillas has been declined.
He was decline in that season but in Jose's first two seasons he was superb and world class and that's why Jose played him when he was at his best and dropped him when he was declined. That's why I used an example of just because Jose played Courtois and benched Cech doesn't mean he never like Cech.
Jose Mourinho: "I prefer specialist"
A few days later, Valencia who isn't a specialist is his right back first choice. And a few months later, Jose: "He's the best right back in the world". May be you should stop listening to manager's press conference comments because they never consistent. The fact that you need to know is that Cassilas is his first choice keeper for two seasons. If you are good enough then he will play you, if he doesn't like his style he could have drop him like what he did to Schweinsteiger. And the same thing goes on Julio Cesar.
He only prefers Lopez because Casillas has been declined in that season. He's not going to say "oh Casillas is finished that's why I'm playing Lopez now." He would need a good excuse to the media and Madrid's fans.
He never say anything like that when he played Julio Cesar. He never say anything like that when he played Casillas in his first two seasons. Why bought Lopez in 2013 when he could buy him in 2010 if he doesn't like non tall keeper? Real didn't stop Jose to buy Lopez in 2013.
Why am I not surprised at your response. According to you, Mourinho clearly stating what he liked in a keeper is of no relevance because it was said in 2013. There was no mention of Iker dropping in form or performance, both were availble for selction, but rather stated clearly - I like a different profile of keeper
As to your "I prefer specialist" argument, Valencia IS A SPECIALIST as he has spent most of his career plying his trade on the right flank and that is what he is still doing under Mourinho.
What you fail to understand is what Mourinho meant by 'specialist', and to appreciate that you need to contrast it with the LvG Total Football approach which requires all outfield players be capable of playing in any position and thus is more suited to multi-functional players (you can check out the LvG Ajax for reference)
A specialist is expected to focus on a particular role (which does not preclude him from being able to play in 1 or 2 other positions) e.g. Rashford can play as a LWF and CF but he is still a forward/striker 'specialist'. Mourinho will not expect Rashford be able to play as a DM or CB. Mourinho wants most of his player to be very good at playing in specific roles/position and not be jack of all trades. For each position on the field Mourinho has a clear idea of the type of player he wants.
Even then, Mourinho did not say he didnt want any multi-functional players. A fuller quote:
"As you know, especially the ones with more vision, I am a manager that likes specialists, not multi-functional players," he said."I am clear with my approach and model of player. I like one or two multi-functional players. You always need someone that can give you a hand."
The closest to multi-functional player on the squad is blind who could probably play almost anywhere on the pitch (and which is why he is unlikely to leave). You tend to see a lot of them produced from the Ajax academy. Another that has played for Mourinho was Lassana Diarra, while Fabinho might turn out to be another.
Thats the end of the lesson for today. Take care to do your homework before your next post.
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Oh, I wasn't getting involved in your argument. I just found it funny Mourinho's comments funny.
I know in another post I said Oblak and Donnarumma.
But due to alleged recent developments, Kasper Schmeichel would be my number 1. He would be so much easier to get if he prefers us over anyone and would be way cheaper than any other options right now, I know we have endless money but I like a good "bargain". Oblak would only possibly come for no less than 40 million and Donnarumma is a player who would cost an enormous amount of money and then leaves for Juventus in 5 years time. Italians always go back to their land.
Kasper Schmeichel also knows how to win a league, knows the PL, is very vocal and a leader (we lack so much of that) and is quite good at shot-stopping.
He would be my number 1 and I want this DDG saga to end this summer, it's been going for far too long!
But due to alleged recent developments, Kasper Schmeichel would be my number 1. He would be so much easier to get if he prefers us over anyone and would be way cheaper than any other options right now, I know we have endless money but I like a good "bargain". Oblak would only possibly come for no less than 40 million and Donnarumma is a player who would cost an enormous amount of money and then leaves for Juventus in 5 years time. Italians always go back to their land.
Kasper Schmeichel also knows how to win a league, knows the PL, is very vocal and a leader (we lack so much of that) and is quite good at shot-stopping.
He would be my number 1 and I want this DDG saga to end this summer, it's been going for far too long!
Would rather see United force De Gea to play out his contract than to sell him and buy any of the ones mentioned.
My pick would be Hugo Loris, whatever way we could twist Daniel Levy's arm.
But - and I BELIEVE this to be true....
De Gea has told Mourinho he wants to play for Madrid at some point in his career, but is still enjoying his football at United. However, he is very likely to leave for Madrid this summer if we don't have CL football next season. Mourinho has two possibilities to replace a departed De Gea, if he does leave. Schmeichel and Hart - A very good media source with his finger on the pulse.
I know I slag off the media, specifically print media, but this is a broadcaster who has good contacts around the game.
I trust Mourinho to make his own decisions, but I'm not a fan of either Schmeichel or Hart, in fact I hear Schmeichel is a right se you next Tuesday. I guess his old man was too... But the truth is, whoever it is, it'll make sweet little difference. I think we'll concede less goals and score more goals next season regardless of who's between nets.
But - and I BELIEVE this to be true....
De Gea has told Mourinho he wants to play for Madrid at some point in his career, but is still enjoying his football at United. However, he is very likely to leave for Madrid this summer if we don't have CL football next season. Mourinho has two possibilities to replace a departed De Gea, if he does leave. Schmeichel and Hart - A very good media source with his finger on the pulse.
I know I slag off the media, specifically print media, but this is a broadcaster who has good contacts around the game.
I trust Mourinho to make his own decisions, but I'm not a fan of either Schmeichel or Hart, in fact I hear Schmeichel is a right se you next Tuesday. I guess his old man was too... But the truth is, whoever it is, it'll make sweet little difference. I think we'll concede less goals and score more goals next season regardless of who's between nets.
Who's your media source? Footballrumours.com
All joking aside I think if we get Champions League football next season De Gea will stay.
Tall? How about Fraser Forster.
He's 6ft 7in.
He's 6ft 7in.
Didnt Donnarumma once say he doesnt want to play for Juventus? Might have to do something with him playing for Milan atm but he might stand by that statement. Also there is no way Juventus can affort a first team/key player from Manchester United. Juventus doesnt pay wages like United does and United doesnt need to sell their players of put release clauses in their contract.