Just a conclusion I came to after reading all the internet crap for last few months, and I'm sure I'm not the only one.
Which midfielder will we sign this summer?
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Just a conclusion I came to after reading all the internet crap for last few months, and I'm sure I'm not the only one.
Has this whole business about only signing players under 26 with a resale value gone completely out the window now? I know Van Persie didnt fit that mold but I assumed he was an exception rather than a complete departure. And we did get him relatively cheaply, spending a massive sum on someone like Schweinsteiger would seem to be a massive departure from this guiding principle.
Desperate times desperate measures I suppose. We're too shit at CM and too few top options that we can realistically get. Certainly feel we'l go back to it once things settle down again though.
Yes it would be completely rational to put things on hold until we have an appropriately strong squad again. But you can see us going back to it, especially as it seems very compatible with how Van Gaal likes to work.
Enzo Perez plays for Benfica, is in the Argentina squad for the World Cup, most likely to start in midfield alongside Mascherano.
Sadly, we are not a club that can attract real A-list players in their prime it seems, at least right now. We need real quality now, and we can't go out and get one of the best 24/25 year olds in the world according to all reports.
Neither did players like Berbatov, Hargreaves, or Carrick, to name a few in recent times. Isn't that policy a bit of a myth at this stage? I mean, f*ck, when's the last time we actually signed a footballer who met that criteria? Ronaldo in 2003, maybe? Hernandez will potentially move for more than we paid for him but I can't think of many others. We'd likely get peanuts for Nani, Anderson, Valencia etc at this stage. Fair enough there's players like DDG, but I'd hope we wouldn't actually think of selling him cause that'd be madness.
Our record at signing youth since Ronaldo & Rooney has been really, really poor, for the most part, and our most successful signings have largely been players who were not youngsters when we got them. We need to sort out our shit midfield and running the risk of signing another Anderson isn't the way to do it. Sir Alex pissed about with the midfield for years and if it takes a Schweinstiger or whomever to solve the issues, at least temporarily, then so be it.
The policies you all bound us by were mainly laid out by SAF rather than United, not to say they didn't work, but I don't see why we'd stick to them now if we have a new manager with new ideas?
Powell. Jones. Smalling. Young was 26 when he signed wasnt he?
Berbatov doesnt fit into it but wasnt the policy announced following the Berbatov deal? He was touted as the last deal of its kind?
You might be right, the policy might be a myth but thinking about it, since the policy was first announced it feels like more signings have adhered to it then have not. Van Persie is the exception.
The reason to do it would be financial, so if such a policy existed I imagine it would have come from the CEO or the owners, not from SAF. Your point still stands though, it could have been a Gill policy and Woodward may not stick to it. Though as a very commercially orientated policy it would be a surprise if Woodward didnt think it made sense as a general principle, even if he didnt pursue it as dogma.
Was it ever announced? I dont think so. Its just something that was talked of as existing and supported by the signing we made other than the 2 exceptions.
This is where I think I first learned about it, hardly an official announcement I guess.
http://www.theguardian.com/football/2009/jun/17/manchester-united-transfer-policy
http://www.theguardian.com/football/2009/jun/17/manchester-united-transfer-policy
Guardian's a good source tbf and as I said, I do think we've tried to follow this route. But ofcourse, nothing's set on stone, as shown by RVP's signing when he became available.
Fellaini of course, also within the stated age bracket, although clearly that deal shows how much easier it is to set a benchmark for age than to ensure by doing so you ensure resale value.
In an ideal world - Verratti and Pogba. I could actually see them giving Yaya and Fernandinho the run around.
As for who we actually will sign - I haven't the foggiest.
As for who we actually will sign - I haven't the foggiest.
Wouldn't be opposed to this or even Barkley instead of Veratti as think this is more likely than a Schweinsteiger and even Pogba but all these players are highly unlikely. Fancy us to get somebody like Khedira Bender or Strootman.
Whatever happened to Benders? Everyone was saying they were the real deal. Aren't they as good anymore?
Sven is unlikely to leave Dortmund any time soon he signed a extension to 2018 last season and seems quite loyal. Lars also signed an extension, but Bayern tried very hard to sign him in 2012 so his definitely good enough for a top club.
Neither Sven nor Lars is a pussy but both are quite injury prone. You may also want defensive midfielders with a bit more creative potential. Re: transfer rumors, Lars Bender recently stated that he's tired of them and that he consciously extended his contract because he feel very comfortable and doesn't see any reason to leave Leverkusen any time soon.
And so another one bites the dust.
I'm getting a little worried, I must admit. Really want to see some movement from us and not be scrambling around for scraps a week before deadline day finishes. Is there a plan in place?
I'm getting a little worried, I must admit. Really want to see some movement from us and not be scrambling around for scraps a week before deadline day finishes. Is there a plan in place?
We'll waste money on one player we don't need same as last season. Then off we go again with Carrick and Cleverley midfield, Kagawa and Welbeck wide and all the other wonky donkey bollocks
It looks increasingly likely by the day that we are going to end up with second-rate, overpriced panic buys - based on the fact that potential targets keep ruling themselves out.
We are completely and utterly incapable of buying anyone quickly. We've always been useless at transfers but things now are dire.
We're unlikely to get a player of Cesc's quality, that's true. We might well get one that suits the balance of the team better though, which would benefit us a lot more.
I'm not too bothered if Cesc wasn't a target as I can see the logic in not going for that type of player. I'll start panicking when we miss out on targets we do actually want and who would slot in to what we assume is LVG's preferred system.
I'm not too bothered if Cesc wasn't a target as I can see the logic in not going for that type of player. I'll start panicking when we miss out on targets we do actually want and who would slot in to what we assume is LVG's preferred system.
i agree. we seem to start slugging it out trying to get a deal. Chelsea got cesc in under two weeks.
I really think that Fabregas wasn't a target, because Van Gaal has already an ideal midfield, it's the midfield Litmanen-Seedorf-Davids.
We already have two Litmanen in Mata and Kagawa.
We need a seedorf and i suspect that it is Strootman.
Now we need a Davids and i really don't know who that could be.
We already have two Litmanen in Mata and Kagawa.
We need a seedorf and i suspect that it is Strootman.
Now we need a Davids and i really don't know who that could be.
I'm not feeling fed up because Chelsea signed Fabregas, I'm fed up because they signed him for less than Fellaini AND we are doing nothing whatsoever. Why have we not lined up and announced at least 2 top quality signings? Is Woodward a snail?
Woodward out protests outside OT should do the trick, useless shitc**t
You genuinely expect him to be able to get LVG's targets sorted in that space of time? Take Chelsea's Costa deal, for example. How long do you think they've been working on that? Months, not weeks. Transfers do take time, particularly when you change targets at the last minute. Cesc is a slightly different case but even then his agent was likely sounding clubs out since last summer. These deals don't come out of nowhere.
Plus, if reports are reliable, we may well have Shaw all but wrapped up anyway. We'll have to wait and see but if he gets announced straight after the WC then we'll at least know some work has been done.
Carvalho, Kovacic, (Clasie - depends how he'll do on WC)... I honestly think new manager may go for younger midfield with long future ahead.
Strootman's injury so far looks like a torn in Louie's eye. Answer for that may not come in this window.
feck knows but some of the options will be:
- LVG still isn't sure for what players to go and wants first to look at our current players/academy players because he decides to sign someone
- our targets have turned us down for whatever reasons, be it money or the lack of UCL.
- we are on process of negotiations with a few players but still they are thinking about the transfer.
Either way, we don't know anything and being outside of UCL and changing the manager doesn't make our situation that favorable when it comes to new signings. Especially if we compete with other teams who are able to offer UCL, as much/more money than us and a better chance of winning trophies. I am not saying that we were for Cesc - we don't know that - but if I was a top player and wasn't a fan of United, I would have chosen City and Chelsea above us (with the same money offer) right now.
If we have Carrick, Cleverley, Anderson, Fletcher and Fellaini as our starting midfielders next season I may very well kill myself
Kova would be a great signing but I dont see him leaving Inter, they're building a team round him and few other young players as I heard and believe in him. Maybe they are just saying that but we haven't been linked with him in any way. But if we somehow got him I would be beyond myself.
That's a good point and also a realistic possibility. Sooner or later we may be slowly running out of options if we won't set our targets straight and reinforce it with real actions with serious amount of resources.Kova would be a great signing but I dont see him leaving Inter, they're building a team round him and few other young players as I heard and believe in him. Maybe they are just saying that but we haven't been linked with him in any way. But if we somehow got him I would be beyond myself.
I don't think we'll sign one, honestly.
No Croatian player has ever played for United. its time for that to change finally.
It'll be Daley Blind with Strootman in Jan/next Summer depending on recovery.
Barca will wrap up the Rakitic signing within a couple of weeks. I don't see any big club around Europe struggling with midfield as much as we do and have done. We just don't seem to able to sign anyone. I don't understand it.
I presume, kagawa will be marginalized in that system, if not let go.
Seedorf was a much better player though from what i have seen of strootman.
The davids type player would be someone like bastian or vidal id say.
Makes sense alright
RVP up front. rooney to his left and nani on the right. Then mata behind them. and the two MFs behind mata.
By that logic what we need is two MFs. We could probably get away with only buying one this summer and use carrick/fellani/cleverly as the DM.
Strootman, Clasie and possibly Schweini if we can convince him to come...
I think we'll go for Daley blind if we can't get Sweini
I think we'll go for Daley blind if we can't get Sweini