Even an old fox like Louis van Gaal would make my day as the man to stabilize United through implementing a solid system inspired by the best principles of Dutch football and through blooding youngsters for a while. TBH, Klopp is the only person I would put above Van Gaal considering the entire context and the achievements so far. Simeone is excellent, but he will be keen on pushing for a repeat of what he will achieve this year, so it's too early in his case.
What will it take to sack moyes?
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Even an old fox like Louis van Gaal would make my day as the man to stabilize United through implementing a solid system inspired by the best principles of Dutch football and through blooding youngsters for a while. TBH, Klopp is the only person I would put above Van Gaal considering the entire context and the achievements so far. Simeone is excellent, but he will be keen on pushing for a repeat of what he will achieve this year, so it's too early in his case.
like it or not, i don't think the board are going to sack him anytime soon, even with a 6th or 7th place finish in the league 
just hoping he can turn things around now, which would be a surprise though. need top class signings for sure and that 6 months headstart for mata could be vital for next season. unless we are in the same situation come let's say next Christmas then only the board will react i think.
we need someone like klopp. not only he gets the results with limited resources but his team do play beautiful footie. we need sometime like that.
just hoping he can turn things around now, which would be a surprise though. need top class signings for sure and that 6 months headstart for mata could be vital for next season. unless we are in the same situation come let's say next Christmas then only the board will react i think.
we need someone like klopp. not only he gets the results with limited resources but his team do play beautiful footie. we need sometime like that.
You'd think that getting just five points against the top six teams is enough to show that there is plenty of better alternatives to Moyes . This guy has done absolutely nothing for us to deserve any leeway and if we are still a football club with serious aspirations on the pitch then he shouldn't survive this train wreck of a season . He was appointed without merit out of some misplaced holier than thou agenda and keeping him will only be for those reasons but I fear every season under him will take us back a few years . The damage he will cause on his club will take decades to rectify if he allowed to stay beyond this season .
Two seasons outside the champions league I guess. Long term vision and all.
First of all I dont blame Moyes for yesterday's defeat. Ok he shouldnt have played Rooney + he could have come out with ideas to turn things around, however he fielded a great side and did well.
However once again Moyes proved inept against the top sides. I feel sorry for him but he's so out of depth at this level and I cant believe that the club is actually giving him a rumoured 60-100m to build the squad. I mean what have this guy done exactly to deserve such trust?
However once again Moyes proved inept against the top sides. I feel sorry for him but he's so out of depth at this level and I cant believe that the club is actually giving him a rumoured 60-100m to build the squad. I mean what have this guy done exactly to deserve such trust?
You will be eating your words by this time next season.
Although I don't agree with the melodramatic nature of the post you quoted, everything so far points to you being wrong in your judgement of Moyes.
All that beat us last night was a schoolboy error - we and had switched off and were still celebrating our goal when Bayern scored.
No it doesn't. It points to our having lost two games and drawn one more than we needed to be sitting in 4th place at this moment.
Wanna bet ? If he is still here it will be same old same old, why can't you see that him succeeding entails him changing his fundamental traits into something he is not ? If you think buying a few players at inflated prices will suddenly turn him into a proper Man United manager then you are in for a big shock, mate . But of course you will find someone else to blame then just as you lot have blamed those who served us well to deflect attention from an incompetent manager .
They dominated us home and away. At home we went out celebrating a 1-1 draw after passing much of our game parking the bus in front of our goal.
In the away game we did better but Lets face it, when we dared compromising Bayern's CL run they smashed us in pieces after 4 minutes.
Liverpool could point to the same for not leading the title chase now. Almost every relegated team can say the same if they were asked about their chances of staying up.
Point is we have not been good enough this season. We have been lucky to win a couple of matches which we could have easily lost as well. So it's swings and roundabouts when you go down that road of IFs and BUTs. In the end, your league position always shows how you have performed. It does not reflect luck or any other such stuff. So even if we lose out top 4 by GD, it will only indicate we have not been good enough to score enough or concede less.
Moreover, you are talking about 8 points off the top 4. That is pretty big no matter how you look at it. Anyone of the top 3 teams have 8 more points at this stage and they are destined to be crowned champions. So it's simply not a case of "just" 2 lost and 1 drawn game more than required.
You'll be eating yours long before that. On the day Moyes gets the sack, it will be a great day because we will finally realize how the current crop of British managers is ill-adapted regarding tactics and footballing principles for the way the modern game is played.
That's how I see it. The moment the thought of getting knocked out hit Bayern, they moved through the gears and ripped us open. They could have continued doing so but then they just again pulled it back a notch or two.
I don't expect next season to be amazing. I don't expect any season under Moyes to be very good because he just doesn't have it in him to get us playing decent football with positive results.
We will improve because after this abysmal campaign even a comfortable top 6 finish will be deemed a significant improvement. I imagine that a 4th place won on the last day will be celebrated like a title win which is yet another reason why I want him gone now - he's managed to lower the expectations so much throughout this year that even minor success is bound to be blown out of proportion if it occurs.
We'll probably spend £150m in the Summer, finish 4th and he will proclaim himself an Old Trafford hero. Winning the title will probably never be an issue with him in charge, it's not what we aim for - top 4 is.
We will improve because after this abysmal campaign even a comfortable top 6 finish will be deemed a significant improvement. I imagine that a 4th place won on the last day will be celebrated like a title win which is yet another reason why I want him gone now - he's managed to lower the expectations so much throughout this year that even minor success is bound to be blown out of proportion if it occurs.
We'll probably spend £150m in the Summer, finish 4th and he will proclaim himself an Old Trafford hero. Winning the title will probably never be an issue with him in charge, it's not what we aim for - top 4 is.
We have too much class as a club to do this but for me we should already be talking to the top managers out there behind the scenes. If one is willing to take the job in the summer, then maybe we should cut our losses and sack Moyes once the season is over. If not, then there is no point sacking him to have someone who is at the same level or perhaps even worse.
I'm not in the "Moyes Out" camp regardless who comes in after. I'm not convinced he is the man to take us forward but I only want him sacked if there is a top quality proven manager lined up to replace him. Klopp is my muppet dream but he's not the only top quality proven manager out there. The board should do their homework this time around.
I'm not in the "Moyes Out" camp regardless who comes in after. I'm not convinced he is the man to take us forward but I only want him sacked if there is a top quality proven manager lined up to replace him. Klopp is my muppet dream but he's not the only top quality proven manager out there. The board should do their homework this time around.
Since when did fourth become our holy grail ? We are not Arsenal ffs !
A lot of horse shit are you saying they were happy not to score as 0/0 saw them through? We played well then Evra, Vidic switched off and Evra Vidic and Carrick (fletcher for different reasons) showed why they all must be replaced as 1st teamers as they all creaked when they moved.
Bryan Robson told my Dad's mate that Moyes is a dead man walking. Tis good enough for me.
I am saying Bayern scored the moment they required to. Then they just sat back again. They pressed us in the first half but were probably not in full throttle. They ripped through us when they needed to. That's how I saw it.
They certainly did wake up after our first goal. I expected it before the game which is why I said I wouldn't like us to score an early goal because that would make Bayern double their efforts. 57th minute was still too early it seems, our shot at that game was putting Bayern into sleep mode (which we did for 55 odd minutes), scoring around 75th minute mark and holding on.
He does look like a white walker.
Exactly how I saw it. They knew a 0-0 is not the worst result. They tried to go for it initially but were never too forceful. Our goal simply kicked them up their arse and they just raced through the gears for 15-20 minutes which was enough. Once the job was done, they again went back to how they started.
It's funny. When United used to come back after the opposition scored in previous seasons, it was the hallmark of Champions and how the pressure gets the best out of us and we always had higher gears available to move into. When a strong opposition team does the same to us, it was only because of our mistakes and they didn't have to do anything different/special to achieve that. The red-tinted specs some have on here is nice.
Yeah they're my best mates. We hang out all the time
He just doesnt have the attitude we're used to see in a manager
Fills you full of confidence that it will only be one year, doesn't it.
I expect a United manager to say "next season without a doubt we should be fighting for the title, everything else would be a total failure."
Guardiola said a couple of days ago "This team won the treble, if I don't reach the CL fianal with them it will be a failure."
Moyes will never ever take United to the very top, for this you need a manager with complete opposite attributes to those Moyes possesses, and that's the big problem. You just can't completely change someone, let alone someone in their 50s.
Fills you full of confidence that it will only be one year, doesn't it.
To be honest I don't like the "where we have to rebuild" ending of that, sounds like getting excuses in early.
So when does Bayern Munichs "transition period" begin, then?
Yes maybe he will keep on talking about rebuilding for three years.
Yeah, next season the main excuse will be, we need to give the team time to gel.
Fills you full of confidence that it will only be one year, doesn't it.
Well, I think it's a sign that he will make major changes this summer and that is what we need. Hope to see the biggest change of our squad in years.
And they were without Schweny and Martinez. Also can afford to 'rest' Muller with 10+ minutes to go. Such Pep's confidence on them to go through. Meh..
Speak like a true winner. Instead, we're constantly getting this:
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There is one at the very least since he made his point public about becoming a manager in England after the World Cup: Louis van Gaal. Still, the thing is that our people must approach him very seriously if there's a genuine opportunity of replacing Moyes right this summer, and that must be done ASAP before Spurs end up making an offer he can't refuse because we were too slow.
I'm only naming Van Gaal because he's certified as available, but it could well be somebody else whom United's inner circle know about his current position though.
Well Woody stayed in Germany last night. Let's hope he had a flight to Dortmund in the morning after talking to Kroos and not just a night away with his mistriss. Van Gal has to be a real serious option for us and i hope we are considering it. We need world class management. I can't name one team with a world class 11 so i don't know why we feel we need to build one.
To be fair there is a universe of difference between Bayern winning the treble last season being the best team in the world, and United winning the EPL last season the way they did.
Do you think United weren't the best team in the league, last season?
Yeah they were, but they had weaknesses that have been exposed deeper this season. Bayern were the best team in the world, and hadnt lost a manager of nearly 3 decades.
Well the same way there's a universe of difference between United winning the league last year and being 7th this year! Guardiola has spent money on a treble winning team and clearly knows and makes clear the expectations. Moyes has spent 64 mil on a PL winning team and is 7th in the league and goes on to say that hopefully we will be back in the top 4 next season?? Let alone United, I will bet my house on literally NO club in the top 10 in the current PL table wanting Moyes if he was offered to them!