What will it take to sack moyes?

[stevoc]

van Gaal seems to be one of top managers we could bring in and he doesn't have a club, so we could've had talks with him if we wanted to. A paper recently reported that Moyes has taken on more work so what happened last summer doesn't repeat and I think the club learned it's lesson in bringing someone in without giving them enough time to plan the summer transfers.

Not having a go at you mate, but if that bolded bit is true its hilarious, taking on ''extra'' work to ensure we don't have another shambles of a transfer window, David Moyes what a guy.

Its not extra work its part of his fecking job, last summer wouldn't have went as badly as it did if he had found the time to get off his arse and do a bit of work on transfers/scouting instead of taking a 6 week holiday when he should have been preparing for the biggest opportunity of his life.

 

[Shark]

Not having a go at you mate, but if that bolded bit is true its hilarious, taking on ''extra'' work to ensure we don't have another shambles of a transfer window, David Moyes what a guy.

Its not extra work its part of his fecking job, last summer wouldn't have went as badly as it did if he had found the time to get off his arse and do a bit of work on transfers/scouting instead of taking a 6 week holiday when he should have been preparing for the biggest opportunity of his life.

The moaning on here over that holiday was hilarious.

 

[Ubik]

I honestly don't see Moyes being sacked this year, it would surprise me if he was. One other thing he has going for him is the lack of top managers that are available right now, so it might force the club to give him another year and let him rebuild the squad. Even if it doesn't work out then the new manager will have a better squad and less pressure to work under.

It's a possibility I'll grant you, particularly given the position we now find ourselves in. On the basis of this season the only rational thing to do (from my viewpoint) is giving him the sack, but I suppose it's futile if we can't get a worthy replacement in.

 

[stevoc]

The moaning on here over that holiday was hilarious.

I remember but in hindsight with how badly the window went, it was a bad decision sitting on a beach instead of working on transfers.

 

[stevoc]

I honestly don't see Moyes being sacked this year, it would surprise me if he was. One other thing he has going for him is the lack of top managers that are available right now, so it might force the club to give him another year and let him rebuild the squad. Even if it doesn't work out then the new manager will have a better squad and less pressure to work under.

This line of thinking worries me a little, if we give moyes the opportunity to rebuild the squad as he sees fit but end up sacking him 6-12 months down the line, what happens if his successor wants the same opportunity to rebuild the squad to his needs it could all get very expensive and messy.

For whats its worth i think there will be a few top managers we could get this summer, if moyes does leave.

 

[PlayerOne]

This line of thinking worries me a little, if we give moyes the opportunity to rebuild the squad as he sees fit but end up sacking him 6-12 months down the line, what happens if his successor wants the same opportunity to rebuild the squad to his needs it could all get very expensive and messy.

For whats its worth i think there will be a few top managers we could get this summer, if moyes does leave.

Who are those managers? Also, I don't see the issue with him rebuilding the squad, we have been linked to some of the best players, so I don't think we'll bring any average players in. Selling wise, we need to get rid of a few, I hope he does sells the right ones and I'm sure he will.

 

[Ubik]

This line of thinking worries me a little, if we give moyes the opportunity to rebuild the squad as he sees fit but end up sacking him 6-12 months down the line, what happens if his successor wants the same opportunity to rebuild the squad to his needs it could all get very expensive and messy.

For whats its worth i think there will be a few top managers we could get this summer, if moyes does leave.

In fairness, unless a coach likes a really specific type of player for left back and centre mid, whoever we bring in should carry over easily enough given they're our weakest areas and we seem to be aiming for top quality. I'm more concerned about who would be shown the door.

 

[stevoc]

Who are those managers? Also, I don't see the issue with him rebuilding the squad, we have been linked to some of the best players, so I don't think we'll bring any average players in. Selling wise, we need to get rid of a few, I hope he does sells the right ones and I'm sure he will.

Ancelotti could be available, we know Van Gaal will be off the top of my head, after that bar wenger, mourinho, guardiola & rodgers (for obvious reasons) almost every other manager should be a possibility for us.

You said the club might be forced to give him another year because no one was available to replace him, if that was the case why would they give him a shit load of money to rebuild a squad that his predecessor didn't think needed rebuilt, what if the next guy thinks Moyes squad needs a rebuild, not the way to go in my opinion.

Also a lot of people saying we are being linked with some of the best players, that doesn't guarantee we will sign them. We have been linked to top players as far back as i can remember, Manchester Uniteds name will always be used by players and agents to get new contracts, case in point Kroos. And by papers to make money.

 

[Mersault]

Not having a go at you mate, but if that bolded bit is true its hilarious, taking on ''extra'' work to ensure we don't have another shambles of a transfer window, David Moyes what a guy.

Its not extra work its part of his fecking job, last summer wouldn't have went as badly as it did if he had found the time to get off his arse and do a bit of work on transfers/scouting instead of taking a 6 week holiday when he should have been preparing for the biggest opportunity of his life.

Mad.

 

[stevoc]

In fairness, unless a coach likes a really specific type of player for left back and centre mid, whoever we bring in should carry over easily enough given they're our weakest areas and we seem to be aiming for top quality. I'm more concerned about who would be shown the door.

Well that all depends on who we actually manage to sign i have no doubt we would like to buy top players, getting them may prove difficult though.

And hypothetically if moyes were replaced it would depend on the manager coming in and what he wants, look at Jose and Mata who would have thought he would get rid of their best player.

I just think its a risky game letting any manager undertake such a rebuild before they have proven themselves.

 

[Ubik]

Well that all depends on who we actually manage to sign i have no doubt we would like to buy top players, getting them may prove difficult though.

And hypothetically if moyes were replaced it would depend on the manager coming in and what he wants, look at Jose and Mata who would have thought he would get rid of their best player.

I just think its a risky game letting any manager undertake such a rebuild before they have proven themselves.

Oh yeah, I think this "let him get his own players" thing is a load of horse crap and we should make a clean break as soon as the season's over. Heh, I was about to say as a counter that I don't think he could make too big a mistake with the amount of money we seemingly want to be throwing around, but then...I remembered! Hmm. Still, my major point earlier was that I don't think sacking him would affect our plans overly if we didn't mess about as soon as the season ended at Southampton on May 11th. If we still have another match scheduled after that then Moyes is staying another season anyway!

 

[Galactic]

Only way he's going to be sacked is if the players turned against him.

 

[stevoc]

Oh yeah, I think this "let him get his own players" thing is a load of horse crap and we should make a clean break as soon as the season's over. Heh, I was about to say as a counter that I don't think he could make too big a mistake with the amount of money we seemingly want to be throwing around, but then...I remembered! Hmm. Still, my major point earlier was that I don't think sacking him would affect our plans overly if we didn't mess about as soon as the season ended at Southampton on May 11th. If we still have another match scheduled after that then Moyes is staying another season anyway!

I actually don't think moyes is a bad judge of players im just of the opinion that giving him another £100m+ after already spending £65m and presiding over a terrible season is irresponsible, a manager should have to earn that type of trust.

If they decide to stick with him he should only get £40-50m let him plug a few gaps and see what he can do next season, before going all in and allowing him to spend crazy money, he should be having to do a lot of work next season to repay the trust he's already been shown up to this point, not try to buy his way out of trouble and stockpiling talent to cover his own deficiencies.

Having said that one thing about the glazers is i doubt they would be irresponsible with the clubs money which makes me think all these reports of huge spending sprees are bullshit anyway.

 

[AR87]

I actually don't think moyes is a bad judge of players im just of the opinion that giving him another £100m+ after already spending £65m and presiding over a terrible season is irresponsible, a manager should have to earn that type of trust.

If they decide to stick with him he should only get £40-50m let him plug a few gaps and see what he can do next season, before going all in and allowing him to spend crazy money, he should be having to do a lot of work next season to repay the trust he's already been shown up to this point, not try to buy his way out of trouble and stockpiling talent to cover his own deficiencies.

Having said that one thing about the glazers is i doubt they would be irresponsible with the clubs money which makes me think all these reports of huge spending sprees are bullshit anyway.

Not that I love the Glazers, but their clutch of the purse strings has not been the issue over the course of the last 3 summers in which we have dipped a fair bit into the transfer windows. We haven't matched Chelsea, City, PSG, Barca, Real or Bayern in terms of fees, but we have spent on Kagawa (16m), Young (18m), Jones (19m), De Gea (18m), Zaha (15m), Van Persie (30m), Fellaini (27m), Mata (37m) and other smaller fees for Powell, Buttner, Henriquez (any updates?) and Guillermo Varela. That's upwards of 180m in transfer fees since the 2011 summer transfer window. Even accounting for player sales we have spent upwards of 150m in that time.

I actually think we'll see them continue this type of spending with perhaps a 100m window either this summer or next with the lucrative TV deals and revenue sharing that are now part of the collective bargaining agreement in the NFL along with the strict salary cap make their ownership of the Tampa Bay Bucaneers a risk-free investment in terms of operations costs and salary and one in which they turn a nice profit annually. In combination with the sponsorships United has in place and the lucrative new PL TV contracts 50-60m spent per window is a reasonable expectation, even if we are with CL football for a year or two.

From looking at how they've dealt with coaches in the NFL they will want and need to see improvement from the manager and in results next season. If we finish in 5th, but are trending up through the season I think Moyes will have earned a 3rd year in their view. If we are abysmal and look much the same as this season throughout next year's campaign they are highly likely to make a change. If Moyes makes it to a 3rd season then he'll absolutely need to clinch a CL spot and challenge for a title. If that is accomplished a sustained title push would be the minimum expectation every year following that.

 

[KiD MoYeS]

Recent weeks have maybe eased my initial trepidation regarding Moyes and his seeming inability to produce attractive football. I believe the side has produced the football it has due to the player selection and not tactics, but nonetheless I have enjoyed watching United the past couple of weeks. I am perhaps more interested to see where Moyes can take us next season now, and hope the right signings can bring consistent attacking performances. I'm still very much doubtful that Moyes is the man to take us forward, but at least he can present attractive football during his tenor, which I still suspect will end midway through next season.

 

[LR7]

Recent weeks have maybe eased my initial trepidation regarding Moyes and his seeming inability to produce attractive football. I believe the side has produced the football it has due to the player selection and not tactics, but nonetheless I have enjoyed watching United the past couple of weeks. I am perhaps more interested to see where Moyes can take us next season now, and hope the right signings can bring consistent attacking performances. I'm still very much doubtful that Moyes is the man to take us forward, but at least he can present attractive football during his tenor, which I still suspect will end midway through next season.

I feel like we've had spells like this before, and just when all the 'corner turning' lines were being reeled out we went on a run of three defeats. One step forward and two back. It'll be interesting to see if this can continue. I hope it does but I'm not sure I think it will.

 

[redtilldead123]

We are still in the Champions League with a reasonable chance of progressing and he deserves credit for that.

When the whistle blows tonight it will be down to the players to deliver.

 

[itso 7]

Well that all depends on who we actually manage to sign i have no doubt we would like to buy top players, getting them may prove difficult though.

And hypothetically if moyes were replaced it would depend on the manager coming in and what he wants, look at Jose and Mata who would have thought he would get rid of their best player.

I just think its a risky game letting any manager undertake such a rebuild before they have proven themselves.

There is that risk (of a Jose-Mata scenario) playing out here especially if you get a top manager to replace him as these lot tend to be particularly strong willed and specific concerning the type of player they want . This presents adverse cost implications and makes our rebuilding longer than it should be . Unless Moyes delivers a miracle in the CL he is not worth the risk imo.

I believe Moyes' reign, even if he gets all the players he wants, will stabilize around 3rd to 5th without troubling the trophy incribers too much . Give the same backing to a manager like Klopp and he will deliver league titles, cups and at least one European cup over a five year reign . I think he is set to stay beyond this season if just to test Ferguson and Charlton's theorem that time magically cures all inherent flaws of a midtable operator suck in his ways, the time they are talking about, though, will be the source of conflict, because I think if Moyes manages a fifth placed finish his backers will milk that 'improvement' for allit's worth to buy him more time whilst from a business perspective it will be throwing good money after bad .

 

[Hernandez - BFA]

Regardless of what happens tonight, I still think Moyes will be in charge next season.

 

[Red Shorts]

Regardless of what happens tonight, I still think Moyes will be in charge next season.

Oh without a doubt. I said he could have a torrid last 8 or so games at the end of this season and the good money would be on the Glazers giving him a chance to prove himself with wads of money. The interesting thing is how patient will they be if

a) he gets exactly the players he wanted for over £100 million and can only reach 4th or
b) he doesn't get what he wants and can't seem to get higher than 6th.

Surely both scenarios are completely unforgivable and deserve sacking? We give him millions to spend and we see improvement, but not a title fight; the other scenario is that he still couldn't get the top options he wanted ("Kroos seeing out his contract"/ "Reus' release clause activating next year" excuses roll out) but still can't carry this team forward. If he does better than these two scenarios then Kudos, but I can very well imagine either happening and him rolling out any excuse he can lay his hands on.

 

[itso 7]

Oh without a doubt. I said he could have a torrid last 8 or so games at the end of this season and the good money would be on the Glazers giving him a chance to prove himself with wads of money. The interesting thing is how patient will they be if

a) he gets exactly the players he wanted for over £100 million and can only reach 4th or
b) he doesn't get what he wants and can't seem to get higher than 6th.

Surely both scenarios are completely unforgivable and deserve sacking? We give him millions to spend and we see improvement, but not a title fight; the other scenario is that he still couldn't get the top options he wanted ("Kroos seeing out his contract"/ "Reus' release clause activating next year" excuses roll out) but still can't carry this team forward. If he does better than these two scenarios then Kudos, but I can very well imagine either happening and him rolling out any excuse he can lay his hands on.

I think point (b) in particular should be the one we must be most watchful of because it is most likely to occur and if it does it will be one excuse too many . The fact is that the players he has targeted are not the only ones who can improve us . We should not allow him to use his lack of realism as an excuse for failure, after twelve months in charge it simply shouldn't wash anymore . If you can't get Cavalho in on time then launch a parallel move for Lars Bender or Schneiderlin, Kroos isn't so keen on coming well go for Rakitic and others . Spending the summer chasing ghosts isn't an option anymore .

If we manage to sign players that give us small incremental improvements then the CL will be within our reach because if we improve on Ferdinand and Evra, for example,then we aren't going to drop four needless points against So'ton and Cardiff and having Mata and Fellaini going on pre season with the team gains us more cohesion whilst Moyes settling in his role should improve us more .

The main objective of this summer should be to make the team stable not to close the gap on Bayern, to make sure we are getting back in the CL then look to build from there . If Kroos is gettable then go right ahead but don't drag on his account like we did with Fabregas . I he wastes the summer going for unrealistic targets then it's all on him and he should pay accordingly . Why accommodate a man who wastes time on a Ribery when Valencia is available, easily gettable and can offer adequate performances even if it's only for three seasons ?

 

[bishblaize]

When the whistle blows tonight it will be down to the players to deliver.

Not sure you can boil it down like that. When the whistle blows they will have been trained and prepared - tactically, physically and mentally - by Moyes and his team, to go out and get a result

If they give up, that's the player's fault. If they play to their limit but just get outdone by a better team, that's no-ones fault. But if their preparation was flawed or inadequate, than that's Moyes' fault.

Of course picking those apart with any degree of certainty is near impossible.

 

[steffyr2]

I think he has basically cashed in on the summer transfer market. That is what he has to prove himself. I don't think he'll have the whole season, he'll need to spend, as he has spouted nonsense- as has the media- that this team needs drastic amendments and rebuilding from everywhere. Once he has spent a sizable amount and brought in his 'own team' and embedded 'his own tactics' (which he should've already done) then he will be truly be critically assessed. If he spends big and we still under perform, I think the most important thing will be that he will lose the support of the fans within the stadium. We can talk about how poor he's been and how we've all wanted him gone but the Old Trafford faithful have remained just that. If they start an uproar, I can't see the Glazers keeping him. And I think, again, going back to the transfer window, if we do spend big and he brings in 'what he wants', the expectations from the fans will be higher. If he continues to fail to deliver, he will be gone. In such a scenario I predict December-early January.

I don't see that happening. They're dug in.

btw, watching the CL games lately -- none of those teams are whole. All of them have injured players and weaknesses that can be exploited. You see in those games where the managers come in to push their team to a win (and why those teams hire those managers).

The thought is that Moyes can just spend so much money that he'll never have to think again, or plan again, or strategize again. We don't have that much money. The squad can't be that big.

 

[stevoc]

Not that I love the Glazers, but their clutch of the purse strings has not been the issue over the course of the last 3 summers in which we have dipped a fair bit into the transfer windows. We haven't matched Chelsea, City, PSG, Barca, Real or Bayern in terms of fees, but we have spent on Kagawa (16m), Young (18m), Jones (19m), De Gea (18m), Zaha (15m), Van Persie (30m), Fellaini (27m), Mata (37m) and other smaller fees for Powell, Buttner, Henriquez (any updates?) and Guillermo Varela. That's upwards of 180m in transfer fees since the 2011 summer transfer window. Even accounting for player sales we have spent upwards of 150m in that time.

I actually think we'll see them continue this type of spending with perhaps a 100m window either this summer or next with the lucrative TV deals and revenue sharing that are now part of the collective bargaining agreement in the NFL along with the strict salary cap make their ownership of the Tampa Bay Bucaneers a risk-free investment in terms of operations costs and salary and one in which they turn a nice profit annually. In combination with the sponsorships United has in place and the lucrative new PL TV contracts 50-60m spent per window is a reasonable expectation, even if we are with CL football for a year or two.

From looking at how they've dealt with coaches in the NFL they will want and need to see improvement from the manager and in results next season. If we finish in 5th, but are trending up through the season I think Moyes will have earned a 3rd year in their view. If we are abysmal and look much the same as this season throughout next year's campaign they are highly likely to make a change. If Moyes makes it to a 3rd season then he'll absolutely need to clinch a CL spot and challenge for a title. If that is accomplished a sustained title push would be the minimum expectation every year following that.

My point wasn't that the glazers have been tight with money (though we could have probably spent more than we have done recently), my point is i don't see the glazers giving £100-150m to a manager whos had a disastrous first season to spend, its a huge risk.

You are right we have spent around £180m in the last 6 transfer windows, but over a 3+ year period i doubt we will now match that in one window.

And in the event they did give him a huge transfer budget say 2-3 times more than they ever gave ferguson it will be for one reason to get back to the top table in europe which means champions league, so i would imagine they will expect a lot more than from moyes than 5th in that scenario, theres no way they will spend that type of money to get us into the europa league.

They could hire another manager to get us 5th next season with the current squad.

 

[united_99]

We have spent good money the last few years, just not wisely. I don't even think Bayern or Barca have outspent us, at least not by a significant margin, but I may be wrong here.

However SAF and now Moyes made some ridiculous decisions, the money spent on Young+Zaha+Fellaini (players we absolutely didn't and don't need) could have easily bought us either a world class midfielder or at least 2 very good midfielders.

 

[stevoc]

There is that risk (of a Jose-Mata scenario) playing out here especially if you get a top manager to replace him as these lot tend to be particularly strong willed and specific concerning the type of player they want . This presents adverse cost implications and makes our rebuilding longer than it should be . Unless Moyes delivers a miracle in the CL he is not worth the risk imo.

I believe Moyes' reign, even if he gets all the players he wants, will stabilize around 3rd to 5th without troubling the trophy incribers too much . Give the same backing to a manager like Klopp and he will deliver league titles, cups and at least one European cup over a five year reign . I think he is set to stay beyond this season if just to test Ferguson and Charlton's theorem that time magically cures all inherent flaws of a midtable operator suck in his ways, the time they are talking about, though, will be the source of conflict, because I think if Moyes manages a fifth placed finish his backers will milk that 'improvement' for allit's worth to buy him more time whilst from a business perspective it will be throwing good money after bad .

Agreed Moyes hasn't done enough for me to justify that level of trust yet, for this club to take the biggest financial risk in its history based on his plans after what he has shown this season would be crazy. The squad needs reinforcements give him money for that see what he can do next season, if he gets a good season for him (4th-5th) out of what he inherited + Mata,Januzaj,Fellaini and potential summer signings then the club would be better placed to make a decision about whether to give him more financial backing.

Say we gave him £150m and he spends it on a few top players but also on panic buys because lets be honest with the pressure hes under thats a real possibility if he misses out on 1st choice targets, so he spends all this money and next season bombs we get a new manager who thinks the squad is in a bad state (just like moyes did) and wants money to buy players, but the warchest is empty because we put all our eggs in moyes basket foolishly.

Also at this point its not even worth thinking about what a top manager could do with this squad and the money that we are potentially about to spend, the board decided on moyes last summer for some reason, can't change history. For reasons which in my opinion could be unrelated to football he could keep his job this summer, the only club on the planet probably where that could happen after the season he has delivered.

Im pretty sure we all know where the David Moyes road ends, i think we just all have different opinions about how long it will take us to get there.

 

[DWelbz19]

I don't see that happening. They're dug in.

btw, watching the CL games lately -- none of those teams are whole. All of them have injured players and weaknesses that can be exploited. You see in those games where the managers come in to push their team to a win (and why those teams hire those managers).

The thought is that Moyes can just spend so much money that he'll never have to think again, or plan again, or strategize again. We don't have that much money. The squad can't be that big.

Do you think so? Even they would recognise the need for change if we're still severely underperforming next season. Most of the excuses for Moyes will be out the window by this point too- he needs to rebuild the team, he needs to embed his style etc...

And I completely agree, I don't want Moyes to spend big at all, I shudder to think we're leaving this man in charge with drastically rebuilding the side that needs a few amendments. But, as you say, the money won't be enough. If he does spend, it won't nullify his inability to outwit opposing managers and get the team playing with a distinctive coherent game plan. That is where the calls for firing come in. What do you mean by the 'squad can't be that big'? If Moyes is going to be bringing players in, you can be sure players are going out.

 

[itso 7]

Agreed Moyes hasn't done enough for me to justify that level of trust yet, for this club to take the biggest financial risk in its history based on his plans after what he has shown this season would be crazy. The squad needs reinforcements give him money for that see what he can do next season, if he gets a good season for him (4th-5th) out of what he inherited + Mata,Januzaj,Fellaini and potential summer signings then the club would be better placed to make a decision about whether to give him more financial backing.

Say we gave him £150m and he spends it on a few top players but also on panic buys because lets be honest with the pressure hes under thats a real possibility if he misses out on 1st choice targets, so he spends all this money and next season bombs we get a new manager who thinks the squad is in a bad state (just like moyes did) and wants money to buy players, but the warchest is empty because we put all our eggs in moyes basket foolishly.

Also at this point its not even worth thinking about what a top manager could do with this squad and the money that we are potentially about to spend, the board decided on moyes last summer for some reason, can't change history. For reasons which in my opinion could be unrelated to football he could keep his job this summer, the only club on the planet probably where that could happen after the season he has delivered.

Im pretty sure we all know where the David Moyes road ends, i think we just all have different opinions about how long it will take us to get there.

But that's exactly the question the board should ask themselves when planning on spending such a figure . That's the question they should ask themselves after this season . Could anyone else have done better this season ? With this squad ? If the question is yes then another : can anyone else deliver more with this squad plus a £150m spend ? If answers to both are yes then we get rid and look to bring those who can give us more per pound spent . We don't owe Moyes anything beyond what is due to him in his contract and we shouldn't risk our future to indulge him . Because that is what's at stake, our future . Do we want to extend the ramifications of a bad appointment by not only extending his incumbency but also investing an unprecedented amount on his vision ?

 

[A1X]

Young+Zaha+Fellaini (players we absolutely didn't and don't need)

I disagree on both Zaha and Fellaini. We needed a young winger and we badly needed another central midfielder.

 

[KiD MoYeS]

Regardless of what happens tonight, I still think Moyes will be in charge next season.

He definitely will, yeah.

 

[united_99]

I disagree on both Zaha and Fellaini. We needed a young winger and we badly needed another central midfielder.

Well, Zaha hasn't shown anything so far which our other wingers (who haven't been that good anyway) haven't shown and apparently he couldn't even impress Moyes. The less I say about Fellaini the better, I agree we badly needed a central midfielder but sadly Fellaini isn't one for me. He hasn't solved ANY problems at all. And ppl can say he was injured or whatever, but I have seen him at Everton and NEVER felt he was even close to anything we needed.

 

[stevoc]

But that's exactly the question the board should ask themselves when planning on spending such a figure . That's the question they should ask themselves after this season . Could anyone else have done better this season ? With this squad ? If the question is yes then another : can anyone else deliver more with this squad plus a £150m spend ? If answers to both are yes then we get rid and look to bring those who can give us more per pound spent . We don't owe Moyes anything beyond what is due to him in his contract and we shouldn't risk our future to indulge him . Because that is what's at stake, our future . Do we want to extend the ramifications of a bad appointment by not only extending his incumbency but also investing an unprecedented amount on his vision ?

But are the board asking themselves these questions, we just don't know. The board of Manchester United are harder to read than most other clubs. Several factors why this is the case eg. over reliance on Fergusons judgement, maybe they do actually think given enough time Moyes will come good, after all it worked with fergie 25 years ago in different circumstances and had nothing at all to do with him being a genius and having to rebuild the club.

We all assume or hope they will decide the logical course of action that is best for the future of the club but this is a group of men who 12 months appointed David Moyes to succeed Alex Ferguson, would any other elite club in the world have made that decision, i doubt it.

So i really have no idea what way they will go this summer, after appointing Moyes in the first place, if they then decide to keep him after this seasons performance, then this board really is capable of making decisions however illogical they may be.

They could give him £200m to spend and a contract extension for all we know or just as easily sack him, only time will tell.

 

[Cal?]

He definitely will, yeah.

I keep telling myself that too, so I won't get upset when I see his face and will get something to celebrate when he does get sacked.

 

[KiD MoYeS]

I keep telling myself that too, so I won't get upset when I see his face and will get something to celebrate when he does get sacked.

Thing is, for all the criticism I've directed at Moyes, I'd still be shocked if he was sacked anytime soon.

 

[AR87]

My point wasn't that the glazers have been tight with money (though we could have probably spent more than we have done recently), my point is i don't see the glazers giving £100-150m to a manager whos had a disastrous first season to spend, its a huge risk.

You are right we have spent around £180m in the last 6 transfer windows, but over a 3+ year period i doubt we will now match that in one window.

And in the event they did give him a huge transfer budget say 2-3 times more than they ever gave ferguson it will be for one reason to get back to the top table in europe which means champions league, so i would imagine they will expect a lot more than from moyes than 5th in that scenario, theres no way they will spend that type of money to get us into the europa league.

They could hire another manager to get us 5th next season with the current squad.

I agree they definitely will not give him 100-150m to spend, my point was really just that this 50-60m that seems to have been the range the last few summers is a constant at this point. So while he probably did need to ask for additional funds in order to purchase Mata in January, I would still expect him to have a decent sized transfer kitty to play with this summer and could add a decent chunk to it through sales of Young, Nani, Cleverley, Anderson and perhaps Hernandez or Van Persie. I also definitely agree with you that if these rumors were true and we decided to give Moyes a 100m+ kitty than CL qualification next season will be the minimum expectation.

 

[amolbhatia50k]

Thing is, for all the criticism I've directed at Moyes, I'd still be shocked if he was sacked anytime soon.

Same.

I'd probably be more giddily happy over that than any signing I can think of.

 

[DWelbz19]

I think the more money they give him to splurge, the more ammunition is given to get rid of him. Just look at AVB earlier this season, if Moyes does something similar and still fails! surely they'll have to cut his disastrous tenure?

 

[Raoul]

I'm pretty confident Moyes will be our manager for a long time.

 

[itso 7]

But are the board asking themselves these questions, we just don't know. The board of Manchester United are harder to read than most other clubs. Several factors why this is the case eg. over reliance on Fergusons judgement, maybe they do actually think given enough time Moyes will come good, after all it worked with fergie 25 years ago in different circumstances and had nothing at all to do with him being a genius and having to rebuild the club.

We all assume or hope they will decide the logical course of action that is best for the future of the club but this is a group of men who 12 months appointed David Moyes to succeed Alex Ferguson, would any other elite club in the world have made that decision, i doubt it.

So i really have no idea what way they will go this summer, after appointing Moyes in the first place, if they then decide to keep him after this seasons performance, then this board really is capable of making decisions however illogical they may be.

They could give him £200m to spend and a contract extension for all we know or just as easily sack him, only time will tell.

I think an over reliance of Sir Alex's judgement and what happened twenty five years ago is trap that could turn out to be our undoing in the long run . It is important for them to note that Sir Alex came here as a winner and it is the club that had to catch up to his standards and mentality . Here we are hoping that a fifty year old trophyless manager will suddenly abandon his cautious nature and grow into the role by developing the requisite traits that aren't inherent in him .

I don't think the Glazers will sorely take advice from Fergie when contemplating the next move, especially with their boy Woodward having spent time in football fora recently . These are highly intelligent men who will not sanction a £200m outlay on Fergie and Charlton's say so . Following Fergie's prescribed remedy that time will turn Moyes into a top manager is a level of stupidity I'd like to believe is beyond a self made billionaire like Malcom Glazer .

 

[KiD MoYeS]

I'm pretty confident Moyes will be our manager for a long time.

I wouldn't say a long time, he probably has less than a year remaining in which to get it right, otherwise he's gone.

 

[stevoc]

I agree they definitely will not give him 100-150m to spend, my point was really just that this 50-60m that seems to have been the range the last few summers is a constant at this point. So while he probably did need to ask for additional funds in order to purchase Mata in January, I would still expect him to have a decent sized transfer kitty to play with this summer and could add a decent chunk to it through sales of Young, Nani, Cleverley, Anderson and perhaps Hernandez or Van Persie. I also definitely agree with you that if these rumors were true and we decided to give Moyes a 100m+ kitty than CL qualification next season will be the minimum expectation.

Yeah definitely mate, if he stays he should get £50-60 million because the squad does need additions, and if he can generate more money through player sales so be it (though seeing RVP or Hernandez leave would be sad) that we can easily afford without too much risk.

To be honest if they decide to give him another season however much they give him to spend, theres a good chance they will expect a CL spot next season as a minimum.