What will it take to sack moyes?

The club know they have more to lose if they admit failure and can him. I can see them sitting him down and forcing him to resign.
 
Sixpence said:
He's not going to resign. Why would he?
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Hypothetical Scenario of course but say results continue to get worse from now until the end of the season and the vast majority of match going Reds are visibly anti Moyes...... Or he spends a £150 million on Tony Hibbert, Leon Osman and Victor Anichebe (which given the fact he saw it in his endless, undoubted wisdom to sign Fellaini isn't impossible)... I can really see that happening.
 
I think he should be replaced at the end of the season personally...

Problem is, if he has big signings coming let them come first with the agreements in place, the problem is sacking Moyes now, means there's no "back room staff" until the end of the season, so it'd be hard to appoint a manager for the rest of the season (when the best are already taken) leaving someone like Giggs and a couple of footballs and zero staff to get results.
 
KingCantona87 said:
Hypothetical Scenario of course but say results continue to get worse from now until the end of the season and the vast majority of match going Reds are visibly anti Moyes...... Or he spends a £150 million on Tony Hibbert, Leon Osman and Victor Anichebe (which given the fact he saw it in his endless, undoubted wisdom to sign Fellaini isn't impossible)... I can really see that happening.
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He won't resign from a £5m a year job with 5 years left to run on it. Unless my fears are confirmed and he actually is the most retarded human being currently on the planet.
 
TheNewEra said:
I think he should be replaced at the end of the season personally...

Problem is, if he has big signings coming let them come first with the agreements in place, the problem is sacking Moyes now, means there's no "back room staff" until the end of the season, so it'd be hard to appoint a manager for the rest of the season (when the best are already taken) leaving someone like Giggs and a couple of footballs and zero staff to get results.
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I'm sure Phelan/Meulensteen and all the old coaching staff who left and/or coached Giggsy before and currently don't have a job wouldn't be against helping out until the end of the season, and maybe further.
 
bosnian_red said:
I'm sure Phelan/Meulensteen and all the old coaching staff who left and/or coached Giggsy before and currently don't have a job wouldn't be against helping out until the end of the season, and maybe further.
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Not sure, as it would depend on the next appointment, that's if this was theoretically to happen.
 
TheNewEra said:
I think he should be replaced at the end of the season personally...

Problem is, if he has big signings coming let them come first with the agreements in place, the problem is sacking Moyes now, means there's no "back room staff" until the end of the season, so it'd be hard to appoint a manager for the rest of the season (when the best are already taken) leaving someone like Giggs and a couple of footballs and zero staff to get results.
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Yeah I agree with sacking him at the end of the season personally. Yes the summer window was an unmitigated farce and it would be unfair to pin all of that on Moyes. However after signing yet another player who plays in a position who we have ample cover for doesn't fill me with confidence. Mata is a fantastic talent no doubt about it, but we desperately needed a combative midfielder and have done for 3-4 seasons now.
 
Please don't shoot the messenger but my dad just sent me this and I thought I would share:

"Talking to a Utd box holder today who got this from Wilf McGuinness (who took over as manager from Sir Matt Busby) at last night's game, David Moyes is now dead in the water.

Ryan Giggs gave him both barrels and told him a few home truths. He now does not train with the rest of the team.(I am sceptic considering we saw pictures prior to the Olympiacos game of him training).

Nike will not sign sponsorship deal unless there is a change and are concerned that the share price has fallen (this might be a valid point)

He has lost the fans after humiliating defeats. Wilf believes it's a matter of when, not if."

I am still a supporter of Moyes and think he should be given a full pre-season and I want to see him do well. However my Dad never makes up stories but that doesn't mean his source (the box holder) wasn't telling lies or exaggerating. I have no motive in this post just sharing to people who might care.
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Saw this on reddit, more than likely bollocks but thought I'd share.
 
Look, its about time fans sorted this out, match going fans that is. Its clear that the lads in the big offices aren't serious about getting this done and there's nothing like a bit of fan pressure to get it done. First the banner must go, and then replaced with numerous moyes out banners and flags. Then boo after every game. The journous aren't doing anything to save us from our plight but only the lord knows why moyes still gets clapped off from the stadium. We've been patient, more patient than fans from other clubs and I don't see how the fans can back this man anymore.

With the amount of young talent doing the rounds in world football(most in atleast 2 decades) this could be a long way back to our former glory so wasting time could have the sort of consequences that no one associated with this great club wants to see.

Time to stand together as fans of man united and get rid of this cancer once and for all. Its quite clear by now he isn't taking us anywhere so why are we still trying to be better than the rest and doing it the united way? He's got to go, by any means possible. It really starts with the fans who fill the seats.
 
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KiD MoYeS said:
Saw this on reddit, more than likely bollocks but thought I'd share.
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Well, althought they rubbished it, I do think giggs probably said some things, but I think that is normal really on the training pitch. Arguments and home truths are always bursting out under the intensity of training, probably why there are so many fights! The Nike thing is kind of interesting and I'd forgotten about that. I believe it was kind of meant to be signed, but then it was delayed. Still no news on that is there? It's one hell of a lot of dosh. That is what will prick up the ears of the Glazers..that is pure money, a language they understand very well..

still....all speculation and rumour I suppose.
 
RooneyLegend said:
Look, its about time fans sorted this out, match going fans that is. Its clear that the lads in the big offices aren't serious about getting this done and there's nothing like a bit of fan pressure to get it done. First the banner must go, and then replaced with numerous moyes out banners and flags. Then boo after every game. The journous aren't doing anything to save us from our plight but only the lord knows why moyes still gets clapped off from the stadium. We've been patient, more patient than fans from other clubs and I don't see how the fans can back this man anymore.

With the amount of young talent doing the rounds in world football(most in atleast 2 decades) this could be a long way back to our former glory so wasting time could have the sort of consequences that no one associated with this great club wants to see.

Time to stand together as fans of man united and get rid of this cancer once and for all. Its quite clear by now he isn't taking us anywhere so why are we still trying to be better than the rest and doing it the united way? He's got to go, by any means possible. It really starts with the fans who fill the seats.
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They would be if only Fergie hadn't said "stand by your new manager". Those few words are currently saving Moyes from a shitstorm every home game. But it is wearing wafer thin. We've just been utterly humiliated in our own back yard 0-3 by our 2 greatest rivals. No other top club would put up with this.

The only way the pressure will crank up is if fans do start booing at the end of matches. If it wasn't those 2 sides we just lost to it would have already happened. Likewise when Bayern beat us there won't be any booing, because we would be unlikely to win that match in any circumstances anyway, they are just a far, far superior side.

However....if a crap side like Villa comes to Old Trafford and beats us in a few days, I predict that it is seriously going to kick off big time in the stands for the first time. If we lose meekly on Saturday, Moyes will be fired before we even face Bayern in my view.
 
I think the only thing that's saving him and will save him next season as well, is that there isn't a surefire replacement like a Mourinho or Ancelotti available at the moment. There are managers who probably do a better job like a Martinez, but he's no sure thing either and our next manager will probably be one with a good pedigree who we feel would bring us to the level we should be. I guarantee if Mourinho, Klopp, Pep etc. somehow became available in the summer and wanted to come here, we'd sack Moyes in an instant.

For all the bile spewed in Sir Alex's direction, don't think for one second he's happy with how things have gone. We're fans who love this club, but Sir Alex has a hell of a lot more invested in Manchester United than any of us do. He gave a significant portion of his life to this club to get us where we are and he's not going to allow someone to undo all his work regardless of how he feels about them personally. It's like if you owned a restaraunt for 26 years and made it one of the best restaraunts in town and then hand it over to your son who makes idiotic changes to the menu and instantly ruins the restaraunts reputation in a short period of time. Would you sit by and let him go until the restaraunt you created goes out of business?
 
manutddjw said:
I think the only thing that's saving him and will save him next season as well, is that there isn't a surefire replacement like a Mourinho or Ancelotti available at the moment. There are managers who probably do a better job like a Martinez, but he's no sure thing either and our next manager will probably be one with a good pedigree who we feel would bring us to the level we should be. I guarantee if Mourinho, Klopp, Pep etc. somehow became available in the summer and wanted to come here, we'd sack Moyes in an instant.

For all the bile spewed in Sir Alex's direction, don't think for one second he's happy with how things have gone. We're fans who love this club, but Sir Alex has a hell of a lot more invested in Manchester United than any of us do. He gave a significant portion of his life to this club to get us where we are and he's not going to allow someone to undo all his work regardless of how he feels about them personally. It's like if you owned a restaraunt for 26 years and made it one of the best restaraunts in town and then hand it over to your son who makes idiotic changes to the menu and instantly ruins the restaraunts reputation in a short period of time. Would you sit by and let him go until the restaraunt you created goes out of business?
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No...you would take charge of the restaurant again, or get another new manager in. Re-look at the menu, maybe a new head chef?
 
http://www.theguardian.com/football/2014/mar/26/david-moyes-manchester-united

David Moyes retains the backing of Manchester United's owners for now and there are no plans to issue a vote of confidence in the manager. While the club's executives acknowledge that the manner of Tuesday night's 3-0 defeat by Manchester City at Old Trafford was not acceptable, it is felt there is no need to back the Scot publicly and that it would be contrary to how the club conduct their affairs.

Sir Alex Ferguson was verbally abused by some fans as he sat in the directors' box over his decision last summer to anoint Moyes as his successor. It was the first sign of open revolt against the 50-year-old former Everton manager. While Ferguson is held in the highest regard at United, the fact that Moyes is drawing wider criticism from supporters adds to the sense of disquiet at how his first season in charge has unfolded.

United, the Premier League champions, are now 18 points behind the leaders Chelsea and 12 away from a Champions League position. Tuesday's result meant that for the first time in the Premier League era United have suffered 10 defeats in a season. They will now finish with their lowest points total since the competition was introduced in 1992, their previous poorest return being 75, first in 1997, which was good enough to win the title, and then in 2004, when they finished third.

In their previous home game United had also lost 3-0 to another fierce rival, Liverpool. Both matches were marked by insipid performances and the anger shown by fans towards Moyes on Tuesday is being viewed in the context of two disappointing displays – and results – at Old Trafford.

Despite the erosion of support for Moyes among hardcore fans, the club's former midfielder Paul Scholes agrees that the hierarchy should continue to back him. "You have to stand by him, he's made a couple of signings that haven't quite worked out yet as he would have liked," said Scholes, in reference to Juan Mata and Marouane Fellaini. "In the summer he's going to need backing, there's no doubt about that. Was he backed as well as he could have been last summer? I'm not sure, but this summer he has to be backed and I think he knows he needs players."

A further sign that Moyes is losing the trust of United supporters comes from Red News, the influential and oldest club fanzine. Barney Chilton, the editor, told the Guardian: "On the Red News forums the percentages have ebbed away from Moyes like the English coastline. First [it was] 70% in favour of sticking with him during autumn, then down to 50% during New Year, then it started to become unnecessary to even ask the question. I know several stalwarts but they are few and far between.

"My own view is I was happy with the appointment. Much work was needed and the blame for the mess lies at many feet but this is not 1986 [when Ferguson became manager]. We were champions and Moyes has shrunk rather than grown into the job. We all felt he had time but that too has eroded. First I thought we should see where we were after two years, then that became 18 months, then next October – now this May?"

Chilton believes results will ultimately dictate Moyes's fate. "For all talk of fans' unrest deciding this, that is dictated by results and they will sway the owners," he said. "Moyes's media appearances create negativity rather than optimism and he keeps telling us he and United will try, which is a very un-United approach. Nothing would surprise me now, but I do think the owners, as much as the fans and clearly the players, are 'twitchy'."

On Saturday, Aston Villa are the visitors and another poor performance would increase the doubts regarding Moyes's future, with little prospect of any respite given that United's next opponents at Old Trafford are Bayern Munich in the Champions League quarter-final first leg on Tuesday, with the European Cup holders having already wrapped up the Bundesliga title with seven games to play.

If Moyes does survive until the summer, Scholes pointed to the major rebuilding work required. "It looks to me that there's a few areas that need addressing," he said. "Centre midfield you could say they've been looking for that for quite a few years now and maybe haven't quite come up with the answer.

"I think defensively as well, with [Nemanja] Vidic going – it looks like Rio [Ferdinand] and maybe [Patrice] Evra are going as well, there's three of your back four gone. That's another area he's got to look after. Going forward, they're all right. But it's probably midfield and defence where he needs to look."
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Apologies if posted already.
 
manutddjw said:
I think the only thing that's saving him and will save him next season as well, is that there isn't a surefire replacement like a Mourinho or Ancelotti available at the moment. There are managers who probably do a better job like a Martinez, but he's no sure thing either and our next manager will probably be one with a good pedigree who we feel would bring us to the level we should be. I guarantee if Mourinho, Klopp, Pep etc. somehow became available in the summer and wanted to come here, we'd sack Moyes in an instant.

For all the bile spewed in Sir Alex's direction, don't think for one second he's happy with how things have gone. We're fans who love this club, but Sir Alex has a hell of a lot more invested in Manchester United than any of us do. He gave a significant portion of his life to this club to get us where we are and he's not going to allow someone to undo all his work regardless of how he feels about them personally. It's like if you owned a restaraunt for 26 years and made it one of the best restaraunts in town and then hand it over to your son who makes idiotic changes to the menu and instantly ruins the restaraunts reputation in a short period of time. Would you sit by and let him go until the restaraunt you created goes out of business?
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Van Gaal, Heynckes, Hiddink, that's three available unattached managers; before we even get into the territory of poaching a manager from somewhere.

As for you analogy, Sir Alex is like the chef who has 3 Michelin Stars for decades and decades, whilst Moyes has come in and served fish and chips.
 
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Arruda said:
United could learn something from watching Porto these last few games though. Even a nobody is better in the bench than a completely discredited manager.
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RooneyLegend said:
Look, its about time fans sorted this out, match going fans that is. Its clear that the lads in the big offices aren't serious about getting this done and there's nothing like a bit of fan pressure to get it done. First the banner must go, and then replaced with numerous moyes out banners and flags. Then boo after every game. The journous aren't doing anything to save us from our plight but only the lord knows why moyes still gets clapped off from the stadium. We've been patient, more patient than fans from other clubs and I don't see how the fans can back this man anymore.

With the amount of young talent doing the rounds in world football(most in atleast 2 decades) this could be a long way back to our former glory so wasting time could have the sort of consequences that no one associated with this great club wants to see.

Time to stand together as fans of man united and get rid of this cancer once and for all. Its quite clear by now he isn't taking us anywhere so why are we still trying to be better than the rest and doing it the united way? He's got to go, by any means possible. It really starts with the fans who fill the seats.
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Good post. Totally agree. Some campaign needs to be really pushed for this to happen. The Moyes out crowd on twitter, if organised correctly could be used to do something like that.
 
TheNewEra said:
I think he should be replaced at the end of the season personally...

Problem is, if he has big signings coming let them come first with the agreements in place, the problem is sacking Moyes now, means there's no "back room staff" until the end of the season, so it'd be hard to appoint a manager for the rest of the season (when the best are already taken) leaving someone like Giggs and a couple of footballs and zero staff to get results.
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To be honest, besides Munich we haven't got much else to play for this season. Does anyone really see us progressing? Top 4 has gone and I really don't want the distraction of the Europa League next season anyway. Moyes and his staff have royally f**ked us.
 
Nothing will get this guy fired. If fans wanted to protest they should just get up and walk out of the stadium after the 1st minute.
 
Nothing. This sanctimonious bullshit from the people upstairs of MUFC, as tiring as it is, will keep him in a job, for at least the immediate future. Which is a fecking shame as he should be down the jobcentre right about now.
 
Manchester United stands alone among PL teams, in 7th place.

Above us, only the sky - and Chelsea, Arsenal, Spurs, Liverpool, Man City....
 
If he went now, the new guy, if we could get him ASAP, could get things in motion.
If he goes in the summer, there will be a World cup to complicate matters with a short pre-season. (Moyes took 6 months to assess the players!)
If he stays next season, we'll be risking an age building to compete again.
Even if it means having a caretaker for a while, he should go now. If the new manager is in a job, he can at least know that he'll be here next season, and start planning accordingly.
 
verminater said:
If he went now, the new guy, if we could get him ASAP, could get things in motion.
If he goes in the summer, there will be a World cup to complicate matters with a short pre-season. (Moyes took 6 months to assess the players!)
If he stays next season, we'll be risking an age building to compete again.
Even if it means having a caretaker for a while, he should go now. If the new manager is in a job, he can at least know that he'll be here next season, and start planning accordingly.
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Unfortunately it seems the Glazers are happy to drive share prices down and Moyes is doing a great job so far.
 
Cal? said:
Unfortunately it seems the Glazers are happy to drive share prices down and Moyes is doing a great job so far.
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Maybe they are waiting for people to sell shares, so they can buy them at an all time low before sacking him and they fly up.
 
Arruda said:
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Been saying that for a while. I always feel like there's a neutral level for all clubs that they are at with no manager, their "true" level if you will. Now a manager either brings them up or drags them down. We're probably squad wise 3rd. Fergie brought us up to first, but really, we expect to have a top manager in charge because we are a top club. Moyes is dragging us way down below our "true" level or the level we could get to with a top manager.
 
TheNewEra said:
Maybe they are waiting for people to sell shares, so they can buy them at an all time low before sacking him and they fly up.
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That is as bad as me t'other day.
Evening with Big Ron on MUtv, from early season.
He said,"I hear people are putting money on us finishing outside the top six. That's throwing money away!"

I said, who was putting those bets on? Moyes? Glazers? Fergie?

Even I, who was against Moyes' appointment, never thought we'd drop that/this far.
 
How long do you think it will be before the television media sentiment towards us starts to change?

By that I mean; while there is a large resentment towards us as a club, there is also a strong backing for Moyes who has so many excuses made for him. They definitely want to see us fail, there's no doubt about that.

How long would that continue though is what I wonder. We are blockbuster. The most supported and watched club in the league by a country mile. How long do you think it will be before the bosses at Sky and ITV want the narrative changed and pressure put on United to changed things and make sure they are back in the Chanpions League keeping their advertisers happy?
 
It's clear to see that Moyes is not up to this job, but I reckon Moyes will get the full backing of the board until Glazers force their hand after we start losing sponsors and revenue from years of (potentially, probably likely) poor performances.
 
He won't get years to fail.

I didn't want him in the job in the first place, and thought he had done enough to get the bullet before Christmas.

I think the board will review how things have gone at the end of the season and he will be dismissed the day after the last game of the season.
 
Ducklegs said:
He won't get years to fail.

I didn't want him in the job in the first place, and thought he had done enough to get the bullet before Christmas.

I think the board will review how things have gone at the end of the season and he will be dismissed the day after the last game of the season.
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Especially if, in his performance review, he say, "I just don't know what we have to do to win!"
 
should have know at the start of his reign when he stuffed the fellaini deal by paying more than what he would have had he acted earlier and made comical bids for everton players that this was gonna be a circus...

bloke is clueless and has destroyed 26 years worth of work in 9 months...... needs to be dismissed now......and the fans at the ground need to rip that chosen one sign down....... I mean who in there right mind would consider coming to united with no CL football and a manager who has no idea when it comes to implementing any sort of tactics

the players aren't innocent in all of this either , but its his show , so its him that needs to be cut.........NOW
 
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