We need to get another player to shag Moyes daughter so he goes mental and is dragged off to the funny farm, someone slip Giggsy a fiver would you
What will it take to sack moyes?
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Can you post your legal docs?To be consistently in the 4th bracket it would mean to be there for more than once.
If we go by your logic then he has been consistently in the 4th - 17th bracket as he finished 17th as much as 14th.
If it means the player gets shipped off to Cardiff can we make it Tom Cleverley? Please?
I said he was consistently 4th-7th.. take it to head of english in oxford and ask him if it's untrue. Fergie consistently won the league with united btwlegal docs
To be consistently in the 4th bracket it would mean to be there for more than once.
If we go by your logic then he has been consistently in the 4th - 17th bracket as he finished 17th as much as 14th.
Sure. After you post those legal docs that tell us that he had a negative transfer profit.
Nope, not most of transfer fees are undisclosed. Most aren't.
What I based my post though is this http://transferleague.co.uk/
Unless you have access to the documents, you won't find a better source.
Consistenly at 4th-th is not absolutely true. You can't finish one time in 11 years in 4th place and then to say that he consistently finished on 4th-7th. It's like saying that he consistently finished in 11th-17th. If you include 4th you have to include 17th too. In both those positions he finished a single time.
His average position was 7.7 (if you round it becomes 8). Everton's average wage bill was either 7th or 8th highest in the league. Based on these two things, he did only an average job there. If you take into account also his transfers (10m net spend on 11 years, only Wenger - up to this summer - and Martinez spend less on average) which are around 10-15th in the league, it means that he did a very good job there. However, myths should stop. It was nothing extraordinary (Pellegrini at Villareal, Klopp at BVB and Simeone at Atletico are really impressing, Moyes is just good/very good), he didn't had a negative net spend and he didn't finished consistenly on 4th-7th.
He was consistenly 4th-17th. Saying that he finished consistently on 4th-7th is like saying Manchester City won consistenly the league in the last few years.A single time doesn't create constitency.
What will it take to sack Moyes ?
I would say at least one, though probably more than one, of the following happening:
- Poor results over an extended period (more than one season)
- A critical mass of commercial partners unwilling to tolerate substandard performances
- The situation spiralling out of control, key players wanting to leave, "lost the dressing room", Old Trafford crowd turns against Moyes
- The share price collapses
- A clearly superior option being available
I would say at least one, though probably more than one, of the following happening:
- Poor results over an extended period (more than one season)
- A critical mass of commercial partners unwilling to tolerate substandard performances
- The situation spiralling out of control, key players wanting to leave, "lost the dressing room", Old Trafford crowd turns against Moyes
- The share price collapses
- A clearly superior option being available
so you're saying they came 4th-7th one time? that is what you're saying you know
Am I not allowed say united have finished consistently top half because they haven't come 1st every year?...
Clearly talking about coming 4th only once, after which he finished 17th. After he finished 17th he never got to 4th again.
4th-7th doesn't make sense mate when he finished only a single time in 4th. If you include 4th you must include 17th too. So yeah, David Moyes consistently finished on 4th-17th.
The United analogy doesn't make sense at all. Moyes finished on 17th, 11th, several times at 8th. It wasn't one time. Saying that he consistently finished on 5th-7th might be acceptable because he finished seven times in those three positions. Add 4th and then you have to add 11th and 17th too.
It's fair to say that he consistently finished on 5th-8th too. In each of those positions he finshed 2 times (bar in 7th when he finished three times).
he said ' Saying that he finished consistently on 4th-7th is like saying Manchester City won consistenly the league in the last few years.A single time doesn't create constitency' which absolutely implies Moyes finished 4-7th a single time. I just don't understand what I said was incorrect - fair enough if some estimates put his transfer spend 10m in the red after 11 years at a premiership club instead of a few mil in the black, perhaps I am a couple million off in there
He'll eventually misplace the golden ticket he'd discovered in that chocolate bar, won't he?
I'm saying it like it's a good thing so why would I say 17th? If a player gets 22,24,23,25,26,5, 21 goals in a season and you want to say he was a great striker you wouldn't say 'he consistently got between 5 and 26 goals'. not when you can, absolutely within the meaning of the word, say he consistently got 20+ goals. I'm saying he did a good job with no resources, use your head what would saying he consistently came 4th - 17th accomplish as a sentence?
So according to that logic Moyes consistently finished 7th-17th in the league. He finished 7-17th a grand total of 6 times in 10 years.
He finished twice below 8th (and several times below 7th), but only once at 4th. Going by your post the 4th place is the anomaly. Best would be 5th to 8th.
ok fine, so you are saying that you just decided to nit pick whatever i say to within a place, fine, enjoy your success, I agree that, while what i said is fine and correct, 5-8th is more statistically sound, and perhaps i wish i had said 4th-8th
Nope. You are saying like this:
A player scored 4, 12, 13, 12, 6, 12, 13, 11, 12, 11, 14 goals. And then you are saying that he consistently scored 12-14 goals. It is called manipulation of facts. Because:
1) he scored only one time 14 goals.
2) you are excluding 11, which he scored twice while including 14 which he scored once.
3) If you include 14 which he scored only once, you then have to include 4 and 6 which he scored only once.
So yeah, I grant you that you're trying to make it look better than it was. As I said, manipulation of stats.
Hang on to it! Don't let it go.
Think it's got to the point where it would be in everyone's interests to just get rid of him. The players, Fergie, fans and Moyes himself could do with this shambles being over.
He's lost the fans. I don't think he has lost Ferguson or the Glazer's yet. One out of three, we're getting there.
again, you are twisting the numbers. the 4th position was an anomaly. He finished there just once. 5-8th is more accurate.
and if you go with average league position, if we take the two extremes - 4th and 17th then we're left with 5,5,6,7,7,7,8,11 - which is 7th, and seeing that it's the position Everton finished the most it's fairly accurate.
This is probably a pretty accurate assessment. I expect we are stuck with him until at least Christmas.
A smashing by Bayern but really he should be gone after tonight. He can't be trusted with leading this squad forward.
I'm not sure a mauling at the hands of Bayern will do it, unfortunately.
The board will expect us to go out. If he survives last nights game, he's here next season. Again, unfortunately.
The board will expect us to go out. If he survives last nights game, he's here next season. Again, unfortunately.
I've given up on the board to act rationally.
Aye, my faith in the dinosaurs within our board is wavering.
Yeah, really, if a 3-0 loss at home to City a week after losing 3-0 at home to Liverpool won't do it, he won't be gone for another half a year unfortunately, no matter the result v Bayern. If we drew to West Ham and got knocked out of the champions league, and then lost to City, he might have been gone, but as it is, I don't think so.
From the moment Sir Alex decided to retire (not the announcement), the United board have made one irrational decision after another again and again...
Sir Bobby actually claimed we'd be hard to beat under Moyes a couple of days ago. Hard to beat.From the moment Sir Alex decided to retire (not the announcement), the United board have made one irrational decision after another again and again...
Only thing I can see getting him the boot from now until the end of the season is if our fans actively go anti Moyes. It might get ugly, but if that's what it takes I'm all for it. Our situation will only get worse the longer he's here. Somebody should think of a good, catchy Moyes out chant that will get people singing. Safe to say the very vast majority want him gone, so I don't think they'd resist.
I find it very hard to take anything Sir Bobby said seriously after his agenda against Mourinho put us in this situation.
I still respect him as a United legend, but I wouldn't trust him to make any decision for the good of United.
The tide seems to be turning tonight, a record defeat next Tuesday should see all out protests...
We might expect some crudely illustrated Moyes out banner appearing within Old Trafford sometime soon.
I honestly hope the OT crowd start booing him, this season is completely dead and the sooner we're rid of him the better.
I dunno, I'm hoping there's someone up there that realises finishing 7th is catastrophically shit. You'd think Fergie would be first among them...
Sir Alex seems to have dug himself into a hole with all his comments about giving managers time, etc.
Hopefully the Glazers can see (financial) sense to sack Moyes and also allow Sir Alex to save face.
I really hope the fans overpower the stewards and rip that fecking cringeworthy banner off the stands, its an embarrassment and needs to be cut up right there and just thrown in the gutter. feck em. Send them a message right, let the board know that nobody actually wants the guy as a manager.
Or we could ask the Liverpool fans to get the banner they had and put it right next to it